Topic: The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!

[Eeyore]

And, of course, no one in the thread disagrees with that. There might be occasional disputes about whether this or that was a hand ball and should haver been a penalty or whether this or that was a genuine foul or a dive. But on the whole everyone in the thread thinks that refereeing standards are poor and that VAR has probably made them worse. (I would add that VAR and - obviously - multi-positioned high-speed cameras around the pitch, have also educated us, the fans, who are able to spot more 'batshit' decisions than before.)

Where we differ and sometimes fall apart are over why terrible decisions are being made and whether we, as a club, suffer more than others and have systematically suffered more than others over the years.

A week or so ago you were regaling us with tales of how bad referees used to be and how much better the current crop are.

[Yorkykopite]

A week or so ago you were regaling us with tales of how bad referees used to be and how much better the current crop are.

Again, where's the contradiction?

Unless you are referring to the clause "and VAR has made them worse"? I mean of course "relatively worse". In other words VAR has given them more opportunities to show their ineptitude and given us - the supporters - more opportunities to see their failings. It has exposed them like never before.

But, sure, even Taylor is a better referee than Roger Kirkpatrick or the Geordie copper were.

[Yorkykopite]

I don’t think it’s even debatable whether we suffer more at the hands of the corrupt officials than other clubs is it?

I feel you should take that question to a Nottingham Forest website or a Wolves one. Not that they're any more objective than we are of course.

[JRed]

I feel you should take that question to a Nottingham Forest website or a Wolves one. Not that they're any more objective than we are of course.

Why? How many titles have they been denied by clearly bollox refereeing decisions?

[Eeyore]

I feel you should take that question to a Nottingham Forest website or a Wolves one. Not that they're any more objective than we are of course.

Would that be the Forest and Wolves that have been outspoken against the PGMOL. There seems to be a pattern there Yorky.

What amazes me is how teams that complain get fucked over without referees being biased?

I mean we complained about Tierney and he got a record number of Liverpool games. Was that bias or did the PGMOL employ retribution fairies?

Remarkably Tierney gave a decision in our favour a drop ball and it appears he has been kidnapped and is in Webb's basement. Forest complain about Atwell being a Luton fan and the next game Luton get a Notts County fan in Coote as referee. Not content with that Forest get Hooper who failed to send off Madison for punching a Forest player.

[Yorkykopite]

Why? How many titles have they been denied by clearly bollox refereeing decisions?

Zero. But that's not the point you made. Forest fans, no doubt, will argue that their punishment is actually worse than ours. Being relegated. But, like I say, you'll get more profit from discussing your thesis with Forest fans themselves. Or Wolves fans. Or indeed Arsenal fans if their team misses out on the Title.

If you do go ahead I'd love you to report back to us on what they all say.

[JRed]

Zero. But that's not the point you made. Forest fans, no doubt, will argue that their punishment is actually worse than ours. Being relegated. But, like I say, you'll get more profit from discussing your thesis with Forest fans themselves. Or Wolves fans. Or indeed Arsenal fans if their team misses out on the Title.

If you do go ahead I'd love you to report back to us on what they all say.

Which decision directly relegated Forest?
The Rodri handball or lack of Kompany red card cost us a title.
The totally inexplicable decisions this season have directly cost us a title.

[Eeyore]

Zero. But that's not the point you made. Forest fans, no doubt, will argue that their punishment is actually worse than ours. Being relegated. But, like I say, you'll get more profit from discussing your thesis with Forest fans themselves. Or Wolves fans. Or indeed Arsenal fans if their team misses out on the Title.

If you do go ahead I'd love you to report back to us on what they all say.

I have been on all of those forums.

I asked for examples of the ball going in off a beach ball. One of their players being assaulted by a match official. A goal being ruled out because the VAR forgot what he was looking for. A kung fu kick in the penalty area going unpunished and an incidence of a referee stopping the game, asking for the physios and telling an uninjured player to go down.

Remarkably I haven't heard anything back yet.

[rob1966]

Zero. But that's not the point you made. Forest fans, no doubt, will argue that their punishment is actually worse than ours. Being relegated. But, like I say, you'll get more profit from discussing your thesis with Forest fans themselves. Or Wolves fans. Or indeed Arsenal fans if their team misses out on the Title.

If you do go ahead I'd love you to report back to us on what they all say.

As an outsider looking in, its blatantly obvious that Wolves are being deliberately fucked over by the referees, the stuff they have had to deal with, that I have seen, has been shocking, starting with Onana absolutely flattening a Wolves player and the ref saying we don't give those.

[Eeyore]

As an outsider looking in, its blatantly obvious that Wolves are being deliberately fucked over by the referees, the stuff they have had to deal with, that I have seen, has been shocking, starting with Onana absolutely flattening a Wolves player and the ref saying we don't give those.

The Premier League has a Key match incidents panel that looks at decisions.

"ESPN can reveal that Premier League leaders Liverpool have been most affected in the 2023-24 campaign, with four VAR errors against them. Brighton & Hove Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers have each suffered three mistakes, with Arsenal two and eight other clubs on one each."

I am sure Yorky incompetence™ will say it is just a remarkable coincidence that those four clubs are managed by Klopp, De Zerbi, O'Neil and Arteta. Four managers who have had feuds with the PGMOL.

[Yorkykopite]

The Premier League has a Key match incidents panel that looks at decisions.

"ESPN can reveal that Premier League leaders Liverpool have been most affected in the 2023-24 campaign, with four VAR errors against them. Brighton & Hove Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers have each suffered three mistakes, with Arsenal two and eight other clubs on one each."

I am sure Yorky incompetence™ will say it is just a remarkable coincidence that those four clubs are managed by Klopp, De Zerbi, O'Neil and Arteta. Four managers who have had feuds with the PGMOL.

I must say Eeyore I'd admire you even more than I do now if you gave RAWK a holiday, stopped visiting all these other football fan forums, and dedicated yourself to the task of getting your theory out in the wide world. Get it published!

If I were as absolutely convinced as you are that there was a massive and systematic conspiracy against Liverpool (and any other club whose manager complains about referring standards), and I honestly thought I had the evidence to back it up, I'd write up my results and send the article or the book to a magazine or book publisher.

If I can anticipate you for a moment, there's no point saying that no publisher or newspaper would carry such a report. Of course they would, if it was convincing. You might even get a substantial wedge of green coming your way, not to mention numerous invites to appear on radio, podcasts, and even TV. We're talking about something which affects millions of people after all, and which involves billions of pounds. And everyone in the publishing trade loves a controversy.

So stop wasting your time on here and turn your face to the world. You have the facts, you have the theories, and you certainly have the evangelical spirt. Do something!

[Eeyore]

I must say Eeyore I'd admire you even more than I do now if you gave RAWK a holiday, stopped visiting all these other football fan forums, and dedicated yourself to the task of getting your theory out in the wide world. Get it published!

If I were as absolutely convinced as you are that there was a massive and systematic conspiracy against Liverpool (and any other club whose manager complains about referring standards), and I honestly thought I had the evidence to back it up, I'd write up my results and send the article or the book to a magazine or book publisher.

If I can anticipate you for a moment, there's no point saying that no publisher or newspaper would carry such a report. Of course they would, if it was convincing. You might even get a substantial wedge of green coming your way, not to mention numerous invites to appear on radio, podcasts, and even TV. We're talking about something which affects millions of people after all, and which involves billions of pounds. And everyone in the publishing trade loves a controversy.

So stop wasting your time on here and turn your face to the world. You have the facts, you have the theories, and you certainly have the evangelical spirt. Do something!

Boom the Yorky trademark exaggerated Strawman.

Except I am not arguing that and never have. Time and time again I have said that I believe two things.

1. That individual referees are human and have conscious and subconscious biases that play out in their officiating of Football. Furthermore for a number of reasons. Such as the predominance of Manchester officials. The predominance of ex Police officers running the PGMOL. The politics of the City and being anti-monarchy, anti-establishment and the anthesis of the people in charge of the PGMOL. Then we have far more reasons for an official to be biased against us.

2. That the PGMOL is a backwards, dreadfully run and corrupt organisation. An organisation that closes ranks and backs each other to the hilt. An organisation whose natural reaction is to react against criticism by doubling down on those who criticise them. An organisation that likes to show how strong it is by looking to punish those who criticise it. A thoroughly corrupt vindictive shit show of an organisation.

Unfortunately, you quite simply refuse to argue against those two points. Instead you either cherry-pick one line of a post or create bizarre over exaggerated strawmen.

Instead of doing that please explain what is wrong with points 1 and 2.

[rob1966]

Boom the Yorky trademark exaggerated Strawman.

Except I am not arguing that and never have. Time and time again I have said that I believe two things.

1. That individual referees are human and have conscious and subconscious biases that play out in their officiating of Football. Furthermore for a number of reasons. Such as the predominance of Manchester officials. The predominance of ex Police officers running the PGMOL. The politics of the City and being anti-monarchy, anti-establishment and the anthesis of the people in charge of the PGMOL. Then we have far more reasons for an official to be biased against us.

2. That the PGMOL is a backwards, dreadfully run and corrupt organisation. An organisation that closes ranks and backs each other to the hilt. An organisation whose natural reaction is to react against criticism by doubling down on those who criticise them. An organisation that likes to show how strong it is by looking to punish those who criticise it. A thoroughly corrupt vindictive shit show of an organisation.

Unfortunately, you quite simply refuse to argue against those two points. Instead you either cherry-pick one line of a post or create bizarre over exaggerated strawmen.

Instead of doing that please explain what is wrong with points 1 and 2.

Both points pretty much nail it on. The corruption Taylor commited on Saturday and I'm not talking blowing the whistle, I'm talking about telling Areola to fake an injury and forcing him to go to the floor would not be accepted in any other company. PGMOL will do fuck all about it as per usual.

[Eeyore]

Both points pretty much nail it on. The corruption Taylor commited on Saturday and I'm not talking blowing the whistle, I'm talking about telling Areola to fake an injury and forcing him to go to the floor would not be accepted in any other company. PGMOL will do fuck all about it as per usual.

I think an apt comparison would be a jockey in a horse race. Because there is so much money wagered on racing then if a jockey is deemed not to have tried and that affects the outcome of a race they are banned.

Imagine how much would have been wagered on Liverpool on Saturday. Imagine how many accas they would have been in. Taylor directly impacts the result of that game and there is not a peep.

The silence from the Premier League and the PGMOL regarding Taylor blatantly cheating on Saturday is breathtaking. As you say doing that in any other job would mean real consequences.

[Yorkykopite]

Boom the Yorky trademark exaggerated Strawman. 

I obviously don't believe it is a straw man. You consistently describe a conspiracy on this thread.

But just for the sake of argument I will grant that you don't believe there is a conspiracy. Nevertheless the direct consequences of the "bias" you detect, which is really systematic bias against Liverpool, are still huge. A large number of referees make biased decisions, week-in, week-out against Liverpool, and are not only protected by their masters at PGMOL but actually encouraged and rewarded when they do (unintentionally or not) damage Liverpool. Those who are seen to 'favour' Liverpool, are removed. In contrast those who damage our main rivals (Man City) are treated very differently by PGMOL. They are punished not rewarded. Referees are recruited from the Manchester region in preponderant numbers either because of unconscious bias or to keep Liverpool permanently on the back foot. The inevitable result of all this bias - unconscious or not - is that Liverpool are deprived of a chance to win the Premier League.

This is still a huge story, regardless of whether you use the word 'conspiracy' or not.

So I ask you again. Instead of complaining on here every day, why not write it up and find a publisher. If your evidence is sound you will get published. It would cause a sensation. And it really ought to be nice little earner for you too. It's a massive story.

[JRed]

I obviously don't believe it is a straw man. You consistently describe a conspiracy on this thread.

But just for the sake of argument I will grant that you don't believe there is a conspiracy. Nevertheless the direct consequences of the "bias" you detect, which is really systematic bias against Liverpool, are still huge. A large number of referees make biased decisions, week-in, week-out against Liverpool, and are not only protected by their masters at PGMOL but actually encouraged and rewarded when they do (unintentionally or not) damage Liverpool. Those who are seen to 'favour' Liverpool, are removed. In contrast those who damage our main rivals (Man City) are treated very differently by PGMOL. They are punished not rewarded. Referees are recruited from the Manchester region in preponderant numbers either because of unconscious bias or to keep Liverpool permanently on the back foot. The inevitable result of all this bias - unconscious or not - is that Liverpool are deprived of a chance to win the Premier League.

This is still a huge story, regardless of whether you use the word 'conspiracy' or not.

So I ask you again. Instead of complaining on here every day, why not write it up and find a publisher. If your evidence is sound you will get published. It would cause a sensation. And it really ought to be nice little earner for you too. It's a massive story.

I don’t really understand your point of view.
Are you saying that we’re just unlucky that every season we consistently get inexplicable decisions against us, which have cost us major trophies? Whilst teams like Abu Dhabi and Man Utd very, very rarely get even so much as an incorrect throw in awarded against them?

[rob1966]

I posted this in the VAR/shite refs thread, in response to Dale "wanker" Johnson saying Taylor blew to allow the physios to come on. They must think we're fucking thick


The moment Taylor calls for the physio, notice only Moyes anywhere near the pitch




And when the Physio stands up 4 seconds later (I couldn't get the bar not to show on Iplayer) so I circled it in yellow



The physio then runs about 10 yards to grab his kit bag before running on. He was sat down, probably having a drink or a bite to eat, thinking he could just sit and do nothing

[darragh85]

What's the point in talking about it?

I was laughed at here for suggesting that the club might have kept something in the back pocket from the spurs shambles.

There seems to be absolutely no repercussions and it will continue on as is.

[lobsterboy]

I don’t really understand your point of view.
Are you saying that we’re just unlucky that every season we consistently get inexplicable decisions against us, which have cost us major trophies? Whilst teams like Abu Dhabi and Man Utd very, very rarely get even so much as an incorrect throw in awarded against them?

Some men you just can't reach.
It's blatantly obvious that PGMOL intentionally fuck certain teams over, us most of all and much of the media are complicit but some still insist on sticking their heads in the sand.
Maybe there's a touch of English arrogance about it ? "We don't do that sort of thing here" kind of thing.

[rossipersempre]

Are PGMOL still doing midweek jollies in the UAE? If they stopped, surely it would have been reported upon given the conflict of interests.

However, it all seems very "omertà" about that particular inconvenient truth since the Spurs game back in Sept.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Said it years ago after the ESL stuff which was driven by FSG the premier league wouldn't let it go and we'd suffer for years. Never thought it would be this blatant but there you go.

[lobsterboy]

Are PGMOL still doing midweek jollies in the UAE? If they stopped, surely it would have been reported upon given the conflict of interests.

However, it all seems very "omertà" about that particular inconvenient truth since the Spurs game back in Sept.

Last time it was mentioned was October and that the SYP cheating c*nt was under pressure to end the jaunts there. All gone quiet since.
I'm sure ADFC have found other avenues to pay them if necessary.

[lobsterboy]

Said it years ago after the ESL stuff which was driven by FSG the premier league wouldn't let it go and we'd suffer for years. Never thought it would be this blatant but there you go.

Was as much driven by Man Utd as it was by us. They haven't been targeted, though I guess being shite helps their case.

[rob1966]

Was as much driven by Man Utd as it was by us. They haven't been targeted, though I guess being shite helps their case.

Being the PL's Golden Boys helps, don't forget Scudamore said the league needed a strong Man Utd

[Eeyore]

I obviously don't believe it is a straw man. You consistently describe a conspiracy on this thread.

I love how you think someone who suggests that a conspiracy is going on invalidates their point of view. Use the word conspiracy and everyone will think the person you are debating is a nutter. It is a horrible way of discussing things.

My opinion is that the only way Taylor gets away with cheating and telling Areola to go to the floor is if the assistants, the 4th official and those present at Stockley Park conspire not to raise the matter. The only way PGMOL fail to investigate his actions is if senior figures conspire and decide not to do so.

A collective decision not to do your job is a conspiracy. For me the PGMOL and its employees and referees conspire to protect each other and above all the organisation.

When Mike Dean and his AVAR failed to send Dean's mate to the screen, something that Dean admitted that is a conspiracy. When Attwell completely misdescribed the Doku incident and then Webb attempted to gaslight us that was a conspiracy.

What you are trying to accuse me of is being a conspiracy theorist. The thing is a conspiracy theory is an outlandish claim when there is a far more rational and plausible explanation. You were absolutely scathing regarding Taylor on Saturday and England after the Diaz incident. IIRC you went as far as to suggest that England should never officiate again.

For me the most likely explanation for a failure to take action against Taylor and to allow England to continue is people at the PGMOL conspiring to protect each other and the organisation.

But just for the sake of argument I will grant that you don't believe there is a conspiracy. Nevertheless the direct consequences of the "bias" you detect, which is really systematic bias against Liverpool, are still huge. A large number of referees make biased decisions, week-in, week-out against Liverpool, and are not only protected by their masters at PGMOL but actually encouraged and rewarded when they do (unintentionally or not) damage Liverpool.

Again I haven't said there is systemic bias against Liverpool. What I have said is that the systemic corruption that sees the PGMOL close ranks allows an individuals bias to flourish. That is then exacerbated by the way the PGMOL deals with criticism, especially criticisms of their integrity.

An example of you resorting to hyperbole and exaggeration is stating that I believe a large number of referees make a large number of decisions week in week out. My position is clear in a tight title race a small number of subjective decisions going against you is all it takes.

Those who are seen to 'favour' Liverpool, are removed. In contrast those who damage our main rivals (Man City) are treated very differently by PGMOL. They are punished not rewarded. Referees are recruited from the Manchester region in preponderant numbers either because of unconscious bias or to keep Liverpool permanently on the back foot. The inevitable result of all this bias - unconscious or not - is that Liverpool are deprived of a chance to win the Premier League.

This is still a huge story, regardless of whether you use the word 'conspiracy' or not.

So I ask you again. Instead of complaining on here every day, why not write it up and find a publisher. If your evidence is sound you will get published. It would cause a sensation. And it really ought to be nice little earner for you too. It's a massive story.

Again I haven't said that. My position is that the PGMOL is a badly run organisation that isn't diverse and inclusive enough. Cronyism and nepotism are rife. For me Ferguson was allowed to noble referees and those referees are now in charge of the organisation. The aforementioned cronyism and nepotism means that the PGMOL and its referees are a white northern, middle aged organisation in which like-minded individuals recruit like-minded individuals. 

Young referees are mentored by their more senior referees and unfortunately are almost brainwashed into protecting each other and above all the organisation.

[Yorkykopite]

The silence from the Premier League and the PGMOL regarding Taylor blatantly cheating on Saturday is breathtaking. As you say doing that in any other job would mean real consequences.

Your silence is remarkable too Eeyore. I keep asking you why you don't write all this up and go public. You are convinced that referees are systematically and "blatanty cheating". You say it is "breathtaking" what they do. You say say you have the evidence. You spend an awful lot of time on here complaining. Why don't you do something? Write it all up and confront these people!

[Eeyore]

Your silence is remarkable too Eeyore. I keep asking you why you don't write all this up and go public. You are convinced that referees are systematically and "blatanty cheating". You say it is "breathtaking" what they do. You say say you have the evidence. You spend an awful lot of time on here complaining. Why don't you do something? Write it all up and confront these people!

You seem awfully interested in what I do and completely uninterested in the PGMOL not taking action over what Taylor did on Saturday. Yesterday you accused Taylor of a cover up and trying to involve Areola in said cover-up. So surely you must be concerned that the PGMOL are covering up a cover-up that occurred on National TV.

Do you agree that match officials and the PGMOL itself are conspiring by not investigating the matter? Or is it just yet another unfortunate case of incompetence?

[Eeyore]

Was as much driven by Man Utd as it was by us. They haven't been targeted, though I guess being shite helps their case.

I think Ferguson's pet Howard Webb being in charge of the PGMOL helps.

[redtel]

I think we have all wanted our club to raise these unreal decisions against us this season but if you consider who you are complaining against it really is a recipe for more decisions to hurt your chances of victory.

Klopp voiced how he had a problem with Tierney only for PGMOL (Atkinson) to award even more games to Tierney to referee us. Wolves and Nottingham Forest were vocal in condemning the referee performances in their games but saw even more decisions go against them. Forest had three penalties at Goodison refused when even a short sighted watcher would have asked the referee to have another look at maybe one of them.

We are dealing with an organisation that has all the power and doesn’t answer to anyone. I’ve not heard the PL/clubs call for a review of how PGMOL operate or that their future is in doubt because of club dissatisfaction.
It’s a depressing outlook because once they allowed the refs to mark each others work when in the var booth we were obviously headed in the direction of where we find the game today.

What will bring things to a head or be the straw that broke the camels back?
Possibly the title being decided by a crazy referee decision rubber stamped by var that results in Arsenal finishing second? Would this pill be too bitter for the Southern media to swallow?

[Yorkykopite]

I think we have all wanted our club to raise these unreal decisions against us this season but if you consider who you are complaining against it really is a recipe for more decisions to hurt your chances of victory.

Klopp voiced how he had a problem with Tierney only for PGMOL (Atkinson) to award even more games to Tierney to referee us. Wolves and Nottingham Forest were vocal in condemning the referee performances in their games but saw even more decisions go against them. Forest had three penalties at Goodison refused when even a short sighted watcher would have asked the referee to have another look at maybe one of them.

We are dealing with an organisation that has all the power and doesn’t answer to anyone. I’ve not heard the PL/clubs call for a review of how PGMOL operate or that their future is in doubt because of club dissatisfaction.
It’s a depressing outlook because once they allowed the refs to mark each others work when in the var booth we were obviously headed in the direction of where we find the game today.

What will bring things to a head or be the straw that broke the camels back?
Possibly the title being decided by a crazy referee decision rubber stamped by var that results in Arsenal finishing second? Would this pill be too bitter for the Southern media to swallow?

I agree with that. It would probably hurt the club. But for the life in me I can't see why someone like Eeyore doesn't devote some time and energy to writing up his thesis and pitching it to publishers, broadcasters, football magazines and podcasters. Over the past few months he has cited loads and loads of evidence of corruption and bias against our club. If he's that sure he's right about corruption at PGMOL and that sure that Liverpool suffer most year in year out he sort of owes it to the club he loves to do something about it.

Complaining every day on here will do nothing. It's safe, it takes no courage to do, but it's also futile. But a well-documented case presented to the outside world with the zeal and conviction he shows here would do if the evidence he assembles is at all credible.  It says 'Campaigns' on his avatar. Well...time to start campaigning.

[Eeyore]

I agree with that. It would probably hurt the club. But for the life in me I can't see why someone like Eeyore doesn't devote some time and energy to writing up his thesis and pitching it to publishers, broadcasters, football magazines and podcasters. Over the past few months he has cited loads and loads of evidence of corruption and bias against our club. If he's that sure he's right about corruption at PGMOL and that sure that Liverpool suffer most year in year out he sort of owes it to the club he loves to do something about it.

Complaining every day on here will do nothing. It's safe, it takes no courage to do, but it's also futile. But a well-documented case presented to the outside world with the zeal and conviction he shows here would do if the evidence he assembles is at all credible.  It says 'Campaigns' on his avatar. Well...time to start campaigning.

It is almost as if you are completely bereft of any plausible arguments anymore.

Again do you think the match officials, Stockley Park officials and the PGMOL have conspired to protect Taylor's actions from being investigated? I mean you accused him of staging a cover-up on Saturday and furthermore accused him of involving Areola in it?

Or have you got a more plausible explanation?

[JRed]

I agree with that. It would probably hurt the club. But for the life in me I can't see why someone like Eeyore doesn't devote some time and energy to writing up his thesis and pitching it to publishers, broadcasters, football magazines and podcasters. Over the past few months he has cited loads and loads of evidence of corruption and bias against our club. If he's that sure he's right about corruption at PGMOL and that sure that Liverpool suffer most year in year out he sort of owes it to the club he loves to do something about it.

Complaining every day on here will do nothing. It's safe, it takes no courage to do, but it's also futile. But a well-documented case presented to the outside world with the zeal and conviction he shows here would do if the evidence he assembles is at all credible.  It says 'Campaigns' on his avatar. Well...time to start campaigning.

Are you for real? WTF do you expect one person from RAWK to do when the PGMOL are basically running the game and close ranks with their mates from the PL and the media anytime a ref is criticised? The PL love it, the media love it, because the tribal nature of football fans means almost all other fans will love it when Liverpool are fucked over so it’s all about the clicks for the media and the fans of other clubs tuning in to watch Liverpool being fucked over makes the broadcasters happy and keeps the PL brand going.
Same when other clubs get fucked over, the voices of that clubs fans get lost in the hordes of sickhead fans of rival clubs lapping it up.

Personally, I am absolutely astonished that the club haven’t put a package together of all the times we’ve been fucked over and demanded answers. I really do not understand why they haven’t. Maybe because they know PGMOL will fuck is over even more as revenge.

[Yorkykopite]

It is almost as if you are completely bereft of any plausible arguments anymore.

Again do you think the match officials, Stockley Park officials and the PGMOL have conspired to protect Taylor's actions from being investigated? I mean you accused him of staging a cover-up on Saturday and furthermore accused him of involving Areola in it?

Or have you got a more plausible explanation?

I've given you answers to all these questions, sometimes several times. You don't agree with my answers. That's fine.

But now's the time to take all your research and all your theories and all your conclusions and go public with them. It's got to be better than riding the interminable carousel on here.  I don't think JRed's objection is valid because I don't agree with him that the media is controlled by PGMOL. I don't suppose you do either. So be brave. The summer is upon us. There'll be no footy. Write your stuff up and tell the world the dynamite you've found. If it's good you will get a hearing. Scandals are what the media live for.

[JRed]

I've given you answers to all these questions, sometimes several times. You don't agree with my answers. That's fine.

But now's the time to take all your research and all your theories and all your conclusions and go public with them. It's got to be better than riding the interminable carousel on here.  I don't think JRed's objection is valid because I don't agree with him that the media is controlled by PGMOL. I don't suppose you do either. So be brave. The summer is upon us. There'll be no footy. Write your stuff up and tell the world the dynamite you've found. If it's good you will get a hearing. Scandals are what the media live for.

Where did I say the media is controlled by PGMOL?
I think it’s time this thread was closed to be honest.
It’s indisputable that we are consistently fucked over by PGMOL with some of the most outrageous decisions you could ever dream up actually happening , but almost exclusively only to us.
Yet some people are still believing it’s ’honest mistakes’
Beginning to think you're Howard Web

[Eeyore]

I've given you answers to all these questions, sometimes several times. You don't agree with my answers. That's fine.

No, you haven't. You alleged that Taylor covered up his mistake and furthermore sought to include Areola in that cover-up.

So please answer whether in your opinion the match officials, the Stockley Park officials and the PGMOL have conspired and not investigated what you called a cover up?

[Eeyore]

Where did I say the media is controlled by PGMOL?
I think it’s time this thread was closed to be honest.
It’s indisputable that we are consistently fucked over by PGMOL with some of the most outrageous decisions you could ever dream up actually happening , but almost exclusively only to us.
Yet some people are still believing it’s ’honest mistakes’
Beginning to think you're Howard Web

My opinion is that Yorky wants the thread closed because he has chosen the wrong hill to die on. It is what he does makes it personal and looks for a reaction.

He has chosen his hill and quite frankly refuses to back down despite mounting evidence. The funniest bit is him demanding that I go public regarding posts I have made on a public forum.

[Yorkykopite]

No, you haven't. You alleged that Taylor covered up his mistake and furthermore sought to include Areola in that cover-up.

So please answer whether in your opinion the match officials, the Stockley Park officials and the PGMOL have conspired and not investigated what you called a cover up?

They won't investigate. I've already said why. They will protect themselves, as they always try and do. It's a catastrophic fault with the way PGMOL is set up. It has a bias towards itself and exists to protect its members. There should be an independent body with oversight instead.

There. That's a fair answer.

So, will you go public with your own stuff at last? Have the courage to test your ideas with people more sceptical than the Liverpool fans on here.

[Eeyore]

They won't investigate. I've already said why. They will protect themselves, as they always try and do. It's a catastrophic fault with the way PGMOL is set up. It has a bias towards itself and exists to protect its members. There should be an independent body with oversight instead.

There. That's a fair answer.

So, will you go public with your own stuff at last? Have the courage to test your ideas with people more sceptical than the Liverpool fans on here.

What you are describing is 100% people conspiring and 100% a corrupt organisation. So both a conspiracy and corruption. The thing is if you have conspiracies and corruption then that is a perfect breeding ground for biases to flourish.

As for going public. You do realise this is a public forum?

[stoa]

Are PGMOL still doing midweek jollies in the UAE? If they stopped, surely it would have been reported upon given the conflict of interests.

However, it all seems very "omertà" about that particular inconvenient truth since the Spurs game back in Sept.

Had a look at the UAE Pro League and have found no English refs doing games there back until February when their season started apparently. Found a French guy (Turpin) doing a match, one Russian guy and a Brazilian guy, who did a match a piece as well. The latter two seem to be rent-a-refs, because they've also been doing multiple matches in the Saudi Pro League according to transfermarkt. So, I don't think English refs are still doing games in UAE or Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't expect it to be reported anywhere though, as it wasn't really reported back when the Spurs game happened. Webb said, it's not a good look, but refs will still be allowed to go abroad except PGMOL would take a close look at where they're going and that was about it. Nobody in the media gave a fuck.

[Eeyore]

Had a look at the UAE Pro League and have found no English refs doing games there back until February when their season started apparently. Found a French guy (Turpin) doing a match, one Russian guy and a Brazilian guy, who did a match a piece as well. The latter two seem to be rent-a-refs, because they've also been doing multiple matches in the Saudi Pro League according to transfermarkt. So, I don't think English refs are still doing games in UAE or Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't expect it to be reported anywhere though, as it wasn't really reported back when the Spurs game happened. Webb said, it's not a good look, but refs will still be allowed to go abroad except PGMOL would take a close look at where they're going and that was about it. Nobody in the media gave a fuck.

My understanding is that select group officials are contractually obliged to make themselves available for Premier League games and European games if they are on the UEFA list. That means there are very few opportunities to moonlight in the UAE.

The week before the Spurs game was EFL Cup games.