Topic: Main Stand Expansion (U/C) Pics and Progress in here

[Surprise me.]

Why?

Didn't see this, the whole small tunnel thing, intimidates the opposing team. There's not a big gap between the teams as the line up for a game, just a tight tunnel, shoulder to shoulder, and the This Is Anfield sign dead ahead. Then you finally leave the tunnel and onto the open pitch to see the flags waving and songs being sung for the home team, and of course YNWA.

As mentioned already though, the health and safety aspect is a big part so I can see why it's happening, even if it's just for that, but I'm sure there's other reasons too.

[laddo]

I'm sure there's other reasons too.

Uefa requirement for next category of stadia so can host games like Uefa cup final.

[CraigDS]

Uefa requirement for next category of stadia so can host games like Uefa cup final.

You sure? As can't say I've ever seen anything with regards to size of tunnel in the regs for UEFA's stadium criteria.

[Eeyore]

The TV deal isn't going to see the club voluntarily lower ticket prices though, not individually anyway, and makes the decision to fund a (guess, £80m?) development where the returns will be even lower a much tougher one to make.

Exactly unless us fans can pay for their stands quickly then it's not really worth their while. Forget leaving a legacy or creating an amazing atmosphere that can drive on the players ala Dortmund. It's all about dollars and dimes.

[CraigDS]

Exactly unless us fans can pay for their stands quickly then it's not really worth their while. Forget leaving a legacy or creating an amazing atmosphere that can drive on the players ala Dortmund. It's all about dollars and dimes.

Not sure (well I do considering it's you posting it) why you seem to think it can't be all three.

The stand, any investment in the club actually, needs to have a financial return to make it a viable option and not a weight around the clubs necks. We aren't a charity and the owners aren't investing in the club as one - they've never suggested or given the impression this was the case either.

[Eeyore]

Not sure (well I do considering it's you posting it) why you seem to think it can't be all three.

The stand, any investment in the club actually, needs to have a financial return to make it a viable option and not a weight around the clubs necks. We aren't a charity and the owners aren't investing in the club as one - they've never suggested or given the impression this was the case either.

Why would a stand that they pay for be a weight around the clubs neck. I know it is a novel idea owners paying for something that they will own. If the owners are expecting the fans to pay for the new stand then in a way isn't the purchase of that stand a kind of leveraged purchase.

In short billionaire owners getting largely working class fans to pay for a stand that the billionaire owners will own.

[Alan_X]

Why would a stand that they pay for be a weight around the clubs neck. I know it is a novel idea owners paying for something that they will own. If the owners are expecting the fans to pay for the new stand then in a way isn't the purchase of that stand a kind of leveraged purchase.

In short billionaire owners getting largely working class fans to pay for a stand that the billionaire owners will own.

It's the owners underwriting the finance of a stand that the club will own and will generate income for the club long after they've gone. If it was just donated as a gift we'd fall foul of FFP.

[CraigDS]

Why would a stand that they pay for be a weight around the clubs neck. I know it is a novel idea owners paying for something that they will own. If the owners are expecting the fans to pay for the new stand then in a way isn't the purchase of that stand a kind of leveraged purchase.

In short billionaire owners getting largely working class fans to pay for a stand that the billionaire owners will own.

Again, we aren't a charity, and the owners are not investing in us as one. The club pays for itself, be it for players, be it for a larger stadium, be it for an assistant for the tea lady.

Yes this may mean the club is worth a higher value and when they sell up the owners get more money, but the increased revenue the stand brings in stays and continues to come into the club (and hopefully spent on improving the team).

The only way any improvement in Anfield gets done is via it's income it brings in paying for it. No big £80m+ hand out given to us from the owners and converted to equity so the club has no debt.

[Eeyore]

It's the owners underwriting the finance of a stand that the club will own and will generate income for the club long after they've gone. If it was just donated as a gift we'd fall foul of FFP.

The reality is that the owners will sell the club for far more with an expanded ground than without. So the likelihood is that the next owners well have to screw the fans again to get a return on their increasesd investment. As for FFP stadium investment isn't part of FFP.

[hitman89762000]

Was at the all star game yesterday and its one thing yo see the pics of the work on here but seeing it in person as it is now its starting to get impressive fast...

[Eeyore]

Again, we aren't a charity, and the owners are not investing in us as one. The club pays for itself, be it for players, be it for a larger stadium, be it for an assistant for the tea lady.

Yes this may mean the club is worth a higher value and when they sell up the owners get more money, but the increased revenue the stand brings in stays and continues to come into the club (and hopefully spent on improving the team).

The only way any improvement in Anfield gets done is via it's income it brings in paying for it. No big £80m+ hand out given to us from the owners and converted to equity so the club has no debt.

On what planet is it charity. They spend 80m on a stand their asset increases in value accordingly.

[TepidT2O]

Please
Please
Please
Please

Can we keep this a news and info thread?

Can we not do this discussion in a new thread? Ta

[Smudgester]

Uefa requirement for next category of stadia so can host games like Uefa cup final.

Not going to happen without a bigger pitch which is not going to happen anytime soon.

[Mamadou]

Not going to happen without a bigger pitch which is not going to happen anytime soon.

what we have to change to make a bigger pitch? 

[Smudgester]

what we have to change to make a bigger pitch?

IIRC the current stands are all too close to the pitch - there is not enough room to make a big enough pitch without moving ground. Could have remembered that incorrectly mind.

[Alan_X]

It's wide enough but a couple of metres too short. That's not going to change.

[The Lord Admiral]

It's wide enough but a couple of metres too short. That's not going to change.

If they do the Anny Road could it?

[CraigDS]

If they do the Anny Road could it?

No.

Sight line issues from the Kop, possibly from the Anny Rd end of Upper Centenary and Main Stand too.

[Alan_X]

If they do the Anny Road could it?

As Craig says - no. We wouldn't be able to host the Champions League final anyway as they are looking for larger capacity anyway. After 2007 Platini said the minimum for a CL final should be 70,000 for security reasons.

[redprodigal]

Arsed about hosting any other events anyway. Let's keep our new pristine pitch for ourselves.

PS THIS IS THE PICS AND PROGRESS THREAD 

[Jake]

PS THIS IS THE PICS AND PROGRESS THREAD 

[Kopout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4TdFbzHUIo

around 2:07 mark. are they expanding melwood too?

[CraigDS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4TdFbzHUIo

around 2:07 mark. are they expanding melwood too?

Replacing a couple of the pitches with new ones.

There isn't really any room at Melwood to expand it as pretty well locked in.

[Jonathan Hall ☆☆☆☆☆☆]

As Craig says - no. We wouldn't be able to host the Champions League final anyway as they are looking for larger capacity anyway. After 2007 Platini said the minimum for a CL final should be 70,000 for security reasons.

You mean financial reasons...

[Kopout]

Replacing a couple of the pitches with new ones.

There isn't really any room at Melwood to expand it as pretty well locked in.

oh yeah heard about desso pitches before. thought they replaced melwood pitches just last summer.

[Jonny5]

Been to the ground today and the access to the kop end of the site has been fenced off upto WBR so only pictures from ARE sorry, and misty again  .

[Rigobert]

I was up there myself today and spotted what I think is the foundation going in for the column which will support the main roof beam approximately at the site of where the Hillsborough memorial was.

[TepidT2O]

I was up there myself today and spotted what I think is the foundation going in for the column which will support the main roof beam approximately at the site of where the Hillsborough memorial was.

As it says they are doing on the whiteboard photo above!

Anfield road and kop tower bases to be poured.

Exciting stuff!

[stoa]

You mean financial reasons...

Financial security...

[Rome-77]

http://i.imgur.com/5Gu0wDE.jpg

[conman]

http://i.imgur.com/5Gu0wDE.jpg

They got a lot done over the long weekend

[Chakan]

They got a lot done over the long weekend

Event the pitch looks decent now!

[CraigDS]

Good angled pic to see just how much has been cleared behind the Kop end too.

[The Lord Admiral]

Good angled pic to see just how much has been cleared behind the Kop end too.

Very good spot actually. I thought we said they defo weren't doing the Kop?! There's not a huge amount needs to happen there for it to be a possibility surely?!

[CraigDS]

Very good spot actually. I thought we said they defo weren't doing the Kop?! There's not a huge amount needs to happen there for it to be a possibility surely?!

They aren't, the land is being cleared for housing. I've seen it from the ground as I've walked past but from higher up it's amazing just how much has been knocked down.

A lot of those to the left of the corner between the Kop and Centenary are boarded up too so not occupied in the most part.

[YNWAArkAngel]

http://i.imgur.com/5Gu0wDE.jpg

i know it a long shout can u do the main stand duplicate on other side on centenary stand can u do an image of it just an imaginary idea of how it would have looked

[Alan_X]

i know it a long shout can u do the main stand duplicate on other side on centenary stand can u do an image of it just an imaginary idea of how it would have looked

It wouldn't work. The a Centenary was developed on the same principles of the new Main Stand but the old Kemlyn and the current Main stand are completely different. You'd have to demolish the whole of the Centenary (Kemlyn) to re-build the lower tier (old Kemlyn Road) but then the new lower tier would have to match the existing Main Stand (12,000+ capacity) which you can't do because it would be covered by new guidance and regulations so would be much larger for the same capacity.

And the houses behind are occupied so it's no on all accounts.

[jason42]

Yeah no idea where I got the idea it was moving to the half way line from. Historically the home dressing room was much smaller than the away to encourage a 'togetherness' shame we are losing that.

I did the Stadium Tour as a kid in 1981 and the man doing the Tour said that Shanks wanted the away dressing to be bigger and more luxurious than the home one because the away teams would come in and be wowed by the size and also think about how big the home dressing room must be.   

[1club1loveLFC]

Pictures courtesy of @Redrazor20 (twitter)

[1club1loveLFC]

This new main stand is going to be a whopper