Topic: Shooting at Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

How disappointing, my breath was, like, baited.

The baiting should be left for LondonCrapLondon, like, dude

[Yorkykopite]

The baiting should be left for LondonCrapLondon, like, dude

Or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

[Conocinico]

The baiting should be left for LondonCrapLondon, like, dude

Quick on the draw. 

[Yorkykopite]

Quick on the draw. 

So was Charlie Hebdo.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

So was Charlie Hebdo.

Well played, Sir! (sorry, dude, like....)

[Conocinico]

So was Charlie Hebdo.

I set 'em up...

[Yorkykopite]

I set 'em up...

Unwittingly, yeah.

[Conocinico]

Unwittingly, yeah.

No I knew you were going to say that. 

[Yorkykopite]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/03/palestinian-newspaper-prints-muhammad-cartoon

And the reaction of the Palestinian President, Abbas? To launch an enquiry into the newspaper which printed it. Asshole. I could have sworn I'd seen him on the Charlie Hebdo march in Paris.

[Piggies in Blankies]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/03/palestinian-newspaper-prints-muhammad-cartoon

And the reaction of the Palestinian President, Abbas? To launch an enquiry into the newspaper which printed it. Asshole. I could have sworn I'd seen him on the Charlie Hebdo march in Paris.

Hmm it depends really doesn't it?

An enquiry is often a way of saying you taking it seriously but actually doing nothing about it.

It's probably just political, but of course it would be better if he just said there's no problem.

[BlackandWhitePaul]

http://bookshop.theguardian.com/catalog/category/view/s/commemorative-badges/id/236/

[Piggies in Blankies]

This is simply terrible.

Should we ever trust the police?

http://Wiltshire Police has issued an apology after requesting the names of four customers who had purchased the special Charlie Hebdo magazine from a newsagent in Corsham.

The magazine, which was the first to be published after the shootings at the Charlie Hebdo headquarters in Paris on January 7, was put together by surviving cartoonists and former contributors and featured a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad on its cover.

It was translated into five languages, including English, Italian, Spanish, Arabic and Turkish, with a limited number of the ‘Je Suis Charlie’ editions going on sale in the UK on January 16.


However, a letter in today’s Guardian from Anne Keat, who lives in Corsham and managed to get a copy of the issue from Hawthorn Stores, revealed that Wiltshire Police had asked for the details of those who had purchased the magazine.

The letter said: “Your offer of commemorative badges in support of journalistic freedom highlighting 'Je suis Charlie', prompts me to suggest a degree of caution following my experience.

“Tongue in cheek, I asked my helpful newsagents to obtain a copy of the edition of Charlie Hebdo issued after the dreadful massacre in Paris, if indeed a copy was ever available in north Wiltshire.

“To my surprise, a copy arrived last Wednesday week and although the standard of content in no way matches that of the Guardian I will cherish it.

“However, two days later a member of Her Majesty’s police service visited said newsagent, requesting the names of the four customers who had purchased Charlie Hebdo. So beware, your badges may attract police interest in your customers.”

Wiltshire Police has now confirmed that an officer did visit a local shop in Corsham to request the names of those who had purchased the copies of the magazine and issued an apology “to the members of the public who may be affected by this”.

A Wiltshire Police spokesman said: “Following the terrorism incident in Paris, France on 7 January 2015, Wiltshire Police undertook an assessment of community tensions across the county.

“As part of this work, local sector policing teams were asked to be mindful of business premises, in particular newsagents who may be distributing the Charlie Hebdo magazine and to consider that these shops may be vulnerable.

“There was no specific threat nationally and nothing to suggest newsagents in particular would be vulnerable.

“A police officer visited a local shop and post office in Corsham to make an assessment of community tensions and, if appropriate, encourage the newsagent’s owner to be vigilant.

“During this conversation the officer requested information about subscribers to the Charlie Hebdo magazine.

“Wiltshire Police would like to apologise to the members of public who may be affected by this. Information relating to this specific incident has been permanently and securely disposed of.

“Wiltshire Police are confident that the police officer’s intention was purely around enhancing public safety and ensuring that the newsagent was advised appropriately.”

http://m.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/11781442.Police_apologise_after_asking_for_names_of_those_buying_Charlie_Hebdo_magazine/

[Yorkykopite]

Bloody 'Ell! It's not police policy, I'm pretty certain, but it's a police instinct nonetheless. Those who buy Charlie Hebdo might be 'Islamaphobes' (ha!) bent on undermining "community relations".

What did Hitchens used to say? "Now we see how well the termites have dined and how far they are spread."

[KiNki]

well in fairness they have to monitor these things.  Fortunately the muslims of britain have just handed over a list of a 100000 potential isis recruits to the plod. 

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31472423


14 February 2015 Last updated at 19:15

   

Copenhagen free speech debate shooting: One dead



Gunmen have killed one person and injured three police officers at a free speech debate in Copenhagen attended by a controversial Swedish cartoonist, officials say.

The French ambassador was also present at the seminar.

Reports say up to 40 shots were fired and a manhunt has been launched.

Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks, who has previously faced death threats over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, was unhurt.

Shortly after the shooting, a message appeared on the Twitter feed of French ambassador Francois Zimeray saying he was still alive.

In an audio recording which emerged from the attack, one of the speakers at the debate is suddenly interrupted by a barrage of gunshots.

Eyewitness Niels Ivar Larsen, speaking to the Associated Press news agency, said: "I heard someone firing with an automatic weapon and someone shouting.

"Police returned fire and I hid behind the bar."
A photo taken on March, 11, 2010 shows Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks walking in the streets of Stockholm. Vilks, known for his drawing of the Prophet Mohammed with the body of a dog in 2007 was attending a debate on Islam and free speech as gunmen opened fire on February 16, 2015 in Copenhagen Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks has faced death threats for many years
Emergency services gather outside a venue after shots were fired where an event titled "Art, blasphemy and the freedom of expression" was being held in Copenhagen, Saturday, Feb. 14, 2015 Emergency services gather at the scene following the attack

The area around the venue is under lockdown, reports the BBC's Malcolm Brabant.

Police have erected cordons and are searching a nearby park, he adds.

Officials say they are hunting for two suspected attackers who fled the scene in a car.
Strict security

The debate, which took place in a cafe, was described on a personal website of Lars Vilks as a talk on whether any limits should be placed on artistic expression or freedom of speech.


Eyewitness Dennis Myhoff-Brink: "We heard...20 or 30 shots...and a person yelling something in Arabic"

A description of the event asked whether artists could "dare" to be blasphemous in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo terror attacks by Islamist gunmen in Paris last month.

In an indication of the threat faced by the cartoonist, a note was included on the website saying there was always "strict security" whenever the artist spoke in public.

An organiser of Saturday's event, Helle Merete Brix, told BBC World TV it was being guarded by armed police and security agents from the Danish intelligence service, as well as Mr Vilks' own bodyguards.

She said she clearly considered the incident an attack on Mr Vilks, the Associated Press news agency reported.

[GreatEx]

I guess that changes the question from "do we dare?" to "are we obliged?" Thanks for the contribution,  young man.

[LondonRapLondon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31472423


14 February 2015 Last updated at 19:15

   

Copenhagen free speech debate shooting: One dead

Shocked. Surprised they didn't have security. Always found Copenhagen to be a  pretty cohesive society.

[Tom_B]

Another shooting in Copenhagen, this one near a Synagogue.

[jooneyisdagod]

Hmm. Strange. Can't wait for the hashtag campaigns and the street demonstrations.

[bissozwei]

Shocked. Surprised they didn't have security. Always found Copenhagen to be a  pretty cohesive society.

They did have security:

An organiser of Saturday's event, Helle Merete Brix, told BBC World TV it was being guarded by armed police and security agents from the Danish intelligence service, as well as Mr Vilks' own bodyguards.

[Yorkykopite]

They did have security:

It shows how difficult things can be when you get someone absolutely determined to kill cartoonists or Jews for offending his sense of religion - and who doesn't mind being 'martyred' in the process.

[LondonRapLondon]

They did have security:

Thanks.

I wonder if security advised them not to publicize the meeting.

[Piggies in Blankies]

Thanks.

I wonder if security advised them not to publicize the meeting.

Difficult to have a public meeting without publicity I guess.

[LondonRapLondon]

Difficult to have a public meeting without publicity I guess.

Yeh obviously.

But I'm talking of whether the securiy advised against making it public and having a meeting as invitation only

[Yorkykopite]

Yeh obviously.

But I'm talking of whether the securiy advised against making it public and having a meeting as invitation only

You mean the terrorist might have been deterred if he didn't get an invite?

Make that man a police captain!

[LondonRapLondon]

You mean the terrorist might have been deterred if he didn't get an invite?

Make that man a police captain!

Yawn.

You were in another thread trying to push buttons. There's more to life than following somebody on a forum and trying to push their buttons.

I'm out, will go to the park with the missus.

Enjoy yourself.

[BUSHMILLS]

Thanks.

I wonder if security advised them not to publicize the meeting.

Er, the meeting was about free speech.

[LondonRapLondon]

This is an interesting listen about Satire by Will Self BBC Radio 4. The Satire that many champion is just another form of imperialism.


Will Self finds himself driven to reconsider the nature and purpose of satire in the wake of the murders at Charlie Hebdo in Paris. "The paradox is this: if satire aims at the moral reform of a given society it can only be effective within that particular society; and furthermore only if there's a commonly accepted ethical hierarchy to begin with. A satire that demands of the entire world that it observe the same secularist values as the French state is a form of imperialism like any other.".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051w4f2

[LondonRapLondon]

Er, the meeting was about free speech.

Yeh, I know.

[Yorkykopite]

This is an interesting listen about Satire by Will Self BBC Radio 4. The Satire that many champion is just another form of imperialism.


Will Self finds himself driven to reconsider the nature and purpose of satire in the wake of the murders at Charlie Hebdo in Paris. "The paradox is this: if satire aims at the moral reform of a given society it can only be effective within that particular society; and furthermore only if there's a commonly accepted ethical hierarchy to begin with. A satire that demands of the entire world that it observe the same secularist values as the French state is a form of imperialism like any other.".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b051w4f2

"Demands"? That's an interesting choice of words. What did the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists threaten to do if people didn't observe their values? Prosecute them? Imprison them? Kill them? Rape them? Behead them? Shoot them?

[Narwin Dunez]

Hmm. Strange. Can't wait for the hashtag campaigns and the street demonstrations.

*Posts "We are Norway" from comfort of home*

[jooneyisdagod]

*Posts "We are Norway" from comfort of home*

Copenhagen is in Denmark mate unless you tried a funny in which case, fair play.

[Narwin Dunez]

Yeah I was harking at those who know nothing of a world event yet post a status/hashtag for the "likes" - you saw straight through me

[jooneyisdagod]

Yeah I was harking at those who know nothing of a world event yet post a status/hashtag for the "likes" - you saw straight through me

And the false friends of Charlie Hebdo are right amongst them. The ones that say Je Suis Charlie but they shouldn't offend. But I quite enjoyed the Norway quip. Good one !

[GreatEx]

Hmm. Strange. Can't wait for the hashtag campaigns and the street demonstrations.

Don't forget the reassurances that this has nothing to do with Islam!

[jooneyisdagod]

Don't forget the reassurances that this has nothing to do with Islam!

Can't wait for Anne Aly to write in the Guardian about how the victims of this latest attack are not the people that were actually shot at and injured or killed but muslims.

[Sir Harvest Fields]

Just thinking ( dangerous i know ) would i be locked up for worshipping a 12 legged fish called David? I mean ive never seen him but if i believe it will that be ok?

[LondonRapLondon]

"Demands"? That's an interesting choice of words. What did the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists threaten to do if people didn't observe their values? Prosecute them? Imprison them? Kill them? Rape them? Behead them? Shoot them?

It's the wording of Will Self, it's a transcript of part of what he said.

As for the word 'demands', stop being flippant, making a demand does not necessarily come with a punitive action if that demand is not responded to.

[LondonRapLondon]

Don't forget the reassurances that this has nothing to do with Islam!

Well considering the actions of Charlie Hebdo were considered unislamic as per the teachings of Prof. Yasir Qadhi (Educated at Yale and Medina University) and  byAl Azhar University (Islamic world's oldest and most prestigious university) I don't think reassurances are required...just reiterations for people who may not have heard or done the proper research.

There are two good presentations to that effect here, including that of Prof. Qadhi:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/dr-yasir-qadhi-and-nouman-ali-khan-on.html

[Piggies in Blankies]

Well considering the actions of Charlie Hebdo were considered unislamic as per the teachings of Prof. Yasir Qadhi (Educated at Yale and Medina University) and  byAl Azhar University (Islamic world's oldest and most prestigious university) I don't think reassurances are required...just reiterations for people who may not have heard or done the proper research.

There are two good presentations to that effect here, including that of Prof. Qadhi:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/dr-yasir-qadhi-and-nouman-ali-khan-on.html

under educated and religious zealots....  Certainly the second, but it seems not always the first.

There seem to be a really quite restrictive Islamic education that many kids are force fed here in the UK....

The trouble is, there's little more dangerous than a religious zealot(s) with a gun(s)