Topic: Shooting at Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

Awesome. My reaction can only be described as disbelief.

I don't believe you.

[jooneyisdagod]

'So what's your favourite sport to play ?'

"I don't play any sport".

"So, not playing sport is your favourite sport to play !".

"No, I don't play any sport. That's that."

'I don't accept the idea that not playing a sport is not a sport.'

[LondonRapLondon]

What is the problem with atheists proselytizing what they think?

You tube and the Internet.  Heaven forfend! The bastards will be writing books next.  How dare they!

They will be sending hate mail to religious people and threatening to kill them now.

I'm an atheist. I don't think there are any gods.
I'm only one notch up from Christians, Jews, Muslims and Zoroastrians though, because they don't have any belief in all other gods apart from their own.

What is worrying about this, is that atheists have nothing to do with the killings in Paris.  Nothing at all.  I sense a whiff of trying to shift the blame.

These killings are down to Muslims.  Fundamentalist Muslims who were so infatuated, so obsessed with themselves and how they were going to go to heaven and live for eternity that they never for one moment questioned whether it was the right thing to do.

I really don't want to read your apologetics speil for Atheism. I've heard and heard it before - from my experience you boys and girls seem to say the same thing (almost like you have  Atheist leaders who you parrot). Please don't tell me about it. I'm not interested in converting to Atheism.

Nobody said Atheism has anything to do with the murders in France. Well, I didn't anyway. But maybe Atheism has something to do with David Cameron's extremist gang who kill lots of brown kids and women in places like Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq etc.. Perhaps we need to start speaking to more of the extremists in that gang.

I have actually spoken to one of them, he served in Iraq. He was crying and telling me about the remorse he feels at such murders. He was an Atheist. I just listened and I cried with him. I didn't try to blame his Atheism for it, I simply cried with him.

All humans, regardless of belief, are capable of the most vile of crimes against human life and dignity.

[electricghost]

Nobody said Atheism has anything to do with the murders in France. Well, I didn't anyway. But maybe Atheism has something to do with David Cameron's extremist gang who kill lots of brown kids and women in places like Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq etc.. Perhaps we need to start speaking to more of the extremists in that gang.

Cameron is a Christian

[At the Xmas works do asking someone to give them one]

I have actually spoken to one of them, he served in Iraq. He was crying and telling me about the remorse he feels at such murders. He was an Atheist. I just listened and I cried with him. I didn't try to blame his Atheism for it, I simply cried with him.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

It's the same thing, albeit the Christian is not being a shrinking violet and has some confidence in going out in person.

Firstly, no-one is forcing atheism on to you. Secondly, this statement above is patronising and insulting in equal measure. You are in effect calling atheists cowards and also suggesting that they lack confidence. Well, I can confidently write to you on the internet that your a bad meff for that and if I knew where your house was, I'd knock on your door and suggest to you the possibility that you might choose to believe that yourself, but no pressure, it's not like I believe you're going to burn in hell or be raped by goats or have your testicles turn into spaghetti. Also, you're safe, I won't draw a nasty cartoon - I'll just quietly smile at you and giggle inside at your rampant idiocy. There. Is that sufficient confidence? Or would you like to give me your address so we can have this conversation man to........well.........

[The Christmas Tree Angel]

How the hell do you "convert to atheism?"   - surely its a case of not believing in God/Allah/insertname of god here

[Malaysian Kopite]

[jooneyisdagod]

How the hell do you "convert to atheism?"   - surely its a case of not believing in God/Allah/insertname of god here

Don't tell me you haven't been anointed with Hitchens' tears and been given a bit of Dawkins' blood and Dennett's flesh in the traditional atheist ceremony ?

[macca888]

Let's bring the thread back to it's true intentions. Satire. LRL, atheists don't usually pass judgement, but in your case, I'll make an exception

[Twelfth Man]

I really don't want to read your apologetics speil for Atheism religion. I've heard and heard it before - from my experience you boys and girls seem to say the same thing (almost like you have Atheist religious leaders who you parrot). Please don't tell me about it. I'm not interested in converting to Athiesm a religion.

I don't even know where to begin. So I won't bother, you're beyond reasoning with.
*corrected for you

[The Christmas Tree Angel]

Let's bring the thread back to it's true intentions. Satire. LRL, atheists don't usually pass judgement, but in your case, I'll make an exception

 

[LondonRapLondon]

That's a joke of a post. No one cares if you don't see atheism as being rational because most atheists I know came to that position by path of rational thought. I can't think of a single religious person I know that made the reverse journey and cited rationalism as the reason for it. And that's just my anecdotal experience. If we go further and examine the issue more broadly, it is conclusive that rationalism leads to loss of religious belief. I know people will say agnosticism is the rational position but I have my arguments against that.

And of course you don't buy the stuff about atheism not being a belief. As a long standing atheist, I'm sure you are in 'location location location' to judge what atheists do and don't believe.

And again, to reiterate, no one is trying to convert people on to becoming atheists. That's an unavoidable byproduct of applying reason sometimes to sensitive issues like say the debate about abortions or climate change or teaching the 'controversy' at schools.

Since when did trolling mean constructing an argument against an idea by the way ? Your definitions of what trolling is are awfully intolerant. It seems you're happy to label any arguments put forward against religion as trolling.

It's an embarrassing post to be honest. Religions have the right to proselytise by the way and by the same principle, those that don't believe in any gods/religions have an equal right to state the whole thing is nonsense.

I appreciate this is your faith and thus understand your emotive language. I was not mocking your belief, I was simply responding to the guy who was presenting the set Atheist apologetics tactic of equating it to rationalism.

I'm not looking to get into an argument with you over whether that belief is rational or not. You think it is. I don't.

However you keep repeating it is rational

Are you trying to say your forefathers were stupid/irrational because they didn't believe in Atheism? Were they not rational?

As for trolling, sure when an Atheist is in a comment section to lecture by a Theist scholar, mocking and belittling people because they don't follow a belief in Atheism then that is trolling.

[The Christmas Tree Angel]

Atheism is NOT a faith

[jooneyisdagod]

I appreciate this is your faith and thus understand your emotive language. I was not mocking your belief, I was simply responding to the guy who was presenting the set Atheist apologetics tactic of equating it to rationalism.

I'm not looking to get into an argument with you over whether that belief is rational or not. You think it is. I don't.

However you keep repeating it is rational

Are you trying to say your forefathers were stupid/irrational because they didn't believe in Atheism? Were they not rational?

As for trolling, sure when an Atheist is in a comment section to lecture by a Theist scholar, mocking and belittling people because they don't follow a belief in Atheism then that is trolling.

 

I'm surprised you don't walk into numerous walls on an average day but maybe you do.

My forefathers bless them didn't have access to the same information I have access to. I don't know if they were irrational/stupid because I don't know them.

'Emotive language'.

[LondonRapLondon]

Let's bring the thread back to it's true intentions. Satire. LRL, atheists don't usually pass judgement, but in your case, I'll make an exception

You feel better after disrespecting somebody on a forum for having differing views to you?

[Twelfth Man]

Deliberately using the language of religion to wind us up. It is quite pathetic.

[jooneyisdagod]

Deliberately using the language of religion to wind us up. It is quite pathetic.

Which of course is a tacit admission that religious language and in particular, the concepts with entailed in it are  bollocks.

[Piggies in Blankies]

I really don't want to read your apologetics speil for Atheism. I've heard and heard it before - from my experience you boys and girls seem to say the same thing (almost like you have  Atheist leaders who you parrot). Please don't tell me about it. I'm not interested in converting to Atheism.

Nobody said Atheism has anything to do with the murders in France. Well, I didn't anyway. But maybe Atheism has something to do with David Cameron's extremist gang who kill lots of brown kids and women in places like Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq etc.. Perhaps we need to start speaking to more of the extremists in that gang.

I have actually spoken to one of them, he served in Iraq. He was crying and telling me about the remorse he feels at such murders. He was an Atheist. I just listened and I cried with him. I didn't try to blame his Atheism for it, I simply cried with him.

All humans, regardless of belief, are capable of the most vile of crimes against human life and dignity.

Those notorious atheists Bush and Blair.

I'm not sure you will find anyone on here agreeing with the war in Afghanistan.

I have no wish to convert you, merely to maintain my rights to say you are wrong.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

Atheism is NOT a faith

Nor is it a belief system. Save your breath, Angie, he's like most people in these kinds of debates - fingers in ears "LA LA LA LA LA I WILL INGORE YOU AND STUBBORNLY REFUSE TO LEARN FROM ANYTHING YOU ARE SAYING AND WILL KEEP SAYING I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG LA LA LA LA LA!" Moving on........

[Corkboy]

Is it troll feeding day again?

[MichaelA]

You feel better after disrespecting somebody on a forum for having differing views to you?

There's differing views, and then there's plain stupid. Your recent comments have overstepped the different mark, and leapt into stupidity.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

There's differing views, and then there's plain stupid. Your recent comments have overstepped the different mark, and leapt into stupidity.

This disrespecting thing is very, very dangerous Michael - do you feel safe in the Staff Room? It's the thin-skinnedness of people with deeply ingrained ideologies that makes it easier for them to be manipulated into committing acts of atrocity in the name of their belief system........are you sure you feel safe in the Staff Room

[macca888]

You feel better after disrespecting somebody on a forum for having differing views to you?

Yes thanks. Do you? Because that's exactly what you've done on this thread; disrespected everyone who doesn't hold the same views as you. I thought you might you might understand the irony of that particular meme, what with you seemingly appointing yourself judge, jury (Judge Judy) and executioner of all things belief systems, denigrating an entire sector of people who have no belief, who are in the minority, and then having the temerity to soapbox about the underprivileged minorities and oppressed to justify your irrational hatred of atheists.  The c*nt part was just the cherry on the cake, because you really are. As I would call anyone who came on to a Liverpool forum and said it's members acted like "Scum readers."

You're a fucking wind up, full stop. Others can engage you in debate if they want; that's their prerogative. I can't be arsed discussing anything with anyone as bigoted as you. So for one final time, in the spirit of ensuring that you feel the love from a religious figure that I don't believe in -

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

As I would call anyone who came on to a Liverpool forum and said it's members acted like "Scum readers."

Where was that, Sean? Oh and the person we're referring to is missing a 'c' from his username

[Conocinico]

Cameron is a Christian

Do you really believe that?

[electricghost]

Do you really believe that?

Yes, if he isn't a Christian what do you think he is with regard to religious belief ?

[macca888]

Where was that, Sean? Oh and the person we're referring to is missing a 'c' from his username

It was last week Jim. I pulled him on it straight away, and I'm not sure whether Harinder amended or deleted the post.

[Yorkykopite]

Do you really believe that?

That's how the Holy Inquisition started isn't it?

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

It was last week Jim. I pulled him on it straight away, and I'm not sure whether Harinder amended or deleted the post.

Well that's a seriously c*ntish thing for someone on an LFC forum to say. I'd have battered him from one end of the ban log to the other.

[macca888]

Well that's a seriously c*ntish thing for someone on an LFC forum to say. I'd have battered him from one end of the ban log to the other.

Here you go mate. It started with this peal of wisdom, Just read down the page from there.   


http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=319207.msg13550896#msg13550896

[Conocinico]

Yes, if he isn't a Christian what do you think he is with regard to religious belief ?

I'm with Dawkins on this one, I'd guess he's an atheist also.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

Here you go mate. It started with this peal of wisdom, Just read down the page from there.   

Dude, surely you mean dude, not mate, dude? They dude do don't de dough? Dey dude! Dey dude! Hey jude?

[electricghost]

I'm with Dawkins on this one, I'd guess he's an atheist also.

Whilst I am sure there are many people who say they are Christian and don't really believe, it's a bit arrogant to tell someone they are one of those people if they say they are not.

 Christians have been telling other Christians they are not real Christians for centuries, that's why there are 40,000 denominations or more.

[Conocinico]

Whilst I am sure there are many people who say they are Christian and don't really believe, it's a bit arrogant to tell someone they are one of those people if they say they are not.

Arrogant? Are we talking about the same David Cameron? I distrust everything that c*nt says.

Christians have been telling other Christians they are not real Christians for centuries, that's why there are 40,000 denominations or more.

I'm not Christian and I don't think Dawkins is either.

[electricghost]

Arrogant? Are we talking about the same David Cameron? I distrust everything that c*nt says.

I'm not Christian and I don't think Dawkins is either.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. There is a real problem with people actually understanding basic sentences in this thread at the moment.

[Conocinico]

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. There is a real problem with people actually understanding basic sentences in this thread at the moment.

Well go on, don't be shy. Explain what you meant and what I've misunderstood.

[Piggies in Blankies]

I'm with Dawkins on this one, I'd guess he's an atheist also.

I agree, he probably is because he fudged the issue  rather than coming clean and stating one way or another.

Anyway, I think getting back to the wonderful piece by Charlie Hebdo is important.

Reiterating their anti racist anti discriminatory message.

This has been open to numerous attacks in the media recently in an attempt to smear their name and somehow suggest that they had it coming.

[Alan_X]

Well go on, don't be shy. Explain what you meant and what I've misunderstood.

Actually - don't. It's nothing to do with the thread.

[Conocinico]

How disappointing, my breath was, like, bated.