Topic: Shooting at Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris

[electricghost]

I call huge bullshit. What you gonna say next, the Bible allows it too?

Well actually......

31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


I think I know what they had in mind by keeping the virgins for themselves.


I gave you the Koran verse. It is explicit.

[Card Cheat]

This one is about rape in general:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=hamza+yusuf+rape&x=0&y=0

Rape statistics are relatively low in Muslim countries

NationMaster’s per capita rape statistics do not include a Muslim country in the top 30. The statistics show the US, UK, Australia, Canada, Spain and France as having more rapes per capita than any Muslim country.

Why do you think that might be?

[LondonRapLondon]

Well actually......

31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


I think I know what they had in mind by keeping the virgins for themselves.


I gave you the Koran verse. It is explicit.

Dude stop, that don't mean the Bible is saying to Christians rape is allowed.

And dude, if you still think rape is allowed according to Islam after having read what the Muslim SCHOLARS had to say and the SOURCES then you must have been served hard by propaganda. Dude, go away and actually read before you speak about Christianity or Islam. Sounding big time ignorant right now. Fuck!  I'm out to chat to my wife will leave you with the links again to actually get that evil propaganda out of your mind. Scholars of the Islam (your not one) talking about how bad rape is:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=hamza+yusuf+rape&x=0&y=0

Sound Muslim authoritative response to the demonization of Muslims with claims of rape being permitted:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/ae-muslims-allowed-to-rape-slave-women.html

And here's a link to refute any anti-Jewish propaganda that you may have read cos let's face it if you read 'Muslims are allowed to rape' bullshit then you can bet you are one click away from an attack on the Jews. Old Testament and Orthodox Christians:
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/1940448/jewish/Does-the-Torah-Punish-a-Rape-Victim.htm

Dude, just remember it's the same type of propaganda aimed at Jews and Africans in the past. To fucking dehumanize so they can try and justify their oppression (i.e ethnic cleansing of Jews from Europe and the enslavery and murders of Africans). It's happening to Muslims so dumbshits watching the TV aren't gonna be outraged everytime they hear American/British drones blew up villages in Pakistan/Somalia/Yemen killing 50 kids.

<Dumbass sentence by a possible dumbass person on a Liverpool FC forum>

[Mouth]

Yeah dude, make a point dude or just leave dude, ok dude.

[macca888]

Wake up dude - don;t allow yourself to fall into that right wing Sun reader dumbass trap. Be smart.

Everything else, all your other bullshit and conspiracy nonsense, your western propaganda and Islamophobe nonsense and your dude, dude, dude stuff I've found mildly amusing.

But don't be such a fucking stupid twat and accuse someone on a Liverpool FC forum of being like a Scum reader. Fucking behave yourself now.

[jooneyisdagod]

LondonRapLondon, people in Pakistan are probably not paying for porn. You know why ? It's that wonderful invention called free porn. You don't actually have to pay for it ! They even have videos of the models being recruited these days.

[Harinder]

Dude stop

<Dumbass sentence by a possible dumbass person on a Liverpool FC forum>

First two words - heed your own advice

Your last sentence in the post quoted and snipped is a parting shot which should be taken as

1 - stop the conspiracy bollocks or the path is one of not being able to post for a while
2 - the use of the Rag in that context, or any really, is despicable in my opinion but that's just me. Giving you the benefit of the doubt for now

Facts about RAWK

It hates conspiracy bollocks
It hates people who overtake threads and perpetuate their own opinions as facts like arseholes. You may not be an arsehole. I don't know you, you don't know me so let's assume you're not one...

...and that you'll stop trying to prove me wrong on that 

[Card Cheat]

SCHOLARS

Abdul-Aziz ibn Abdullah Al ash-Sheikh

In April 2012, he issued a fatwa allowing ten year old girls to marry insisting that girls are ready for marriage by age 10 or 12: "Our mothers and grandmothers got married when they were barely 12. Good upbringing makes a girl ready to perform all marital duties at that age."

[Yorkykopite]

Bloody 'ell!

[jooneyisdagod]

Abdul-Aziz ibn Abdullah Al ash-Sheikh

In April 2012, he issued a fatwa allowing ten year old girls to marry insisting that girls are ready for marriage by age 10 or 12: "Our mothers and grandmothers got married when they were barely 12. Good upbringing makes a girl ready to perform all marital duties at that age."

One could say their view on this matter is summed up as 'If there's grass on the wicket, it's time to play cricket'.

[Mouth]

Everything else, all your other bullshit and conspiracy nonsense, your western propaganda and Islamophobe nonsense and your dude, dude, dude stuff I've found mildly amusing.

But don't be such a fucking stupid twat and accuse someone on a Liverpool FC forum of being like a Scum reader. Fucking behave yourself now.

You know what, I suspect Oldcold might have made yet another return. Smells like him. If its not, its some dickhead of the same stripe.

[thegoodfella]

Talk about going on a weird fucking tangent that has nothing to do with the topic on hand... does anyone of you live in Pakistan even?

It is illegal like someone pointed out but that doesn't matter mostly because it is available on some or most media outlets/shops. I've hardly ever read much about the police doing anything about it. But that doesn't matter anyway because there's a massive firewall in place now that blocks most of the porn sites and is pretty quick at blocking the newer ones as well. So people use proxies most of the time.

Also, I always thought that the data or report on Pakistan topping the list was more down to Google Searches rather than actually watching the videos, has there been a more detailed research other than the Google Search data? It is a large fucking country with the majority of online population being the teenagers or college going adults, of course they are going to watch porn, why is it even a surprise?

But most importantly, who the fuck cares if people watch porn or not? And why is it being discussed here?

[Corkboy]

Wow. You see, I spend some time with my family watching a movie (Live, Die, Repeat: good fun) and all sorts of bollocks breaks loose in here.

[Mouth]

Talk about going on a weird fucking tangent that has nothing to do with the topic on hand... does anyone of you live in Pakistan even?

It is illegal like someone pointed out but that doesn't matter mostly because it is available on some or most media outlets/shops. I've hardly ever read much about the police doing anything about it. But that doesn't matter anyway because there's a massive firewall in place now that blocks most of the porn sites and is pretty quick at blocking the newer ones as well. So people use proxies most of the time.

Also, I always thought that the data or report on Pakistan topping the list was more down to Google Searches rather than actually watching the videos, has there been a more detailed research other than the Google Search data? It is a large fucking country with the majority of online population being the teenagers or college going adults, of course they are going to watch porn, why is it even a surprise?

But most importantly, who the fuck cares if people watch porn or not? And why is it being discussed here?

Pornhub (in the very least, maybe other sites as well) release their stats. There are frequent news articles about peoples habits, like at Christmas and new year or when the superbowl is on.

Articles like this one http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/07/pornhub-porn-trends-search-terms-time

[macca888]

You know what, I suspect Oldcold might have made yet another return. Smells like him. If its not, its some dickhead of the same stripe.

I was thinking that about Oldcold too!

[macca888]

Pornhub (in the very least, maybe other sites as well) release their stats. There are frequent news articles about peoples habits, like at Christmas and new year or when the superbowl is on.

Articles like this one http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/jan/07/pornhub-porn-trends-search-terms-time

Errrr, I'll be back in a couple of hours when I've, errrr, carried out some in depth research into this particular website.

[jooneyisdagod]

Also, I always thought that the data or report on Pakistan topping the list was more down to Google Searches rather than actually watching the videos, has there been a more detailed research other than the Google Search data? It is a large fucking country with the majority of online population being the teenagers or college going adults, of course they are going to watch porn, why is it even a surprise?

Mate come on, they're not googling that so they can complete their homework at school or college. And you're right that it's a large country but there are larger countries that don't actually watch as much porn as Pakistan. I think there was an article posted earlier that something like 9 out of the 10 most porn consuming countries in the world were Islamic. There's a correlation there that is incredible strong. Anyway, it doesn't have much to do with the topic at all and was a throwaway statement and until this dude from London objected to it, no one was talking about it seriously.

[Mouth]

There is some merit in discussing this kind of thing in relation to the topic. As its about objection to a particular form of media and representation of something that is extremely offensive culturally. There is an underlying hypocrisy highlighted that secretly there is a huge consumption of western culture, via the internet, movies, music etc. Yet the public face is one of stern consternation and shouty angry violence.

There is a disconnect in as much as there is no clear indication that its understood that all of the things they are absorbing, the culture and values, are actually derived and exist because of the very freedoms they seek to supress.

When you stop and think about it, it is actually a minority who are kicking off over this stuff. The majority are sitting back, in their flats and houses, absorbing all the same crap we are, on satellite tv, the internet. Its much like the Soviet Union, give them enough time and they will get so much of it, they will be just as brainwashed as everyone else.

We don't really need to do too much about combating it, just let nature take its course. Give them more, overload them, make information and crap like x-factor, McNasty's, starbucks, football, porn etc. available to them. They will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
Just look to combat and contain the nutcases. Who, in reality are just criminals, no different to bank robbers really.

[thegoodfella]

Mate come on, they're not googling that so they can complete their homework at school or college. And you're right that it's a large country but there are larger countries that don't actually watch as much porn as Pakistan. I think there was an article posted earlier that something like 9 out of the 10 most porn consuming countries in the world were Islamic. There's a correlation there that is incredible strong. Anyway, it doesn't have much to do with the topic at all and was a throwaway statement and until this dude from London objected to it, no one was talking about it seriously.

Not to bang on about it myself but I did say something to the tune of 'of course they are going to watch it'.

Data reveal six of the top eight porn-searching countries are Muslim states.

Pakistan tops the list at number one, followed by Egypt at number two. Iran, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Turkey come in at numbers four, five, seven and eight, respectively. Pakistan leads the way in porn searches for animals like pigs, donkeys, dogs, cats and snakes.

If you are talking about this particular post, then again, it uses the word 'searches', not 'consumption'. And I explained the difference that consumption is difficult to judge because of the fucking ban on it and the c*nting firewall, which is why they all go to Google and try their luck in the search bar. Perhaps that's what the search results are so massively lopsided here.

If they could directly go to the good stuff, they might not have to go through the shame of google searches. Despite all of that, if Pakistan is still able to watch more porn than US, China, Korea, Japan or India, that's something to be fucking proud of I think.

But seriously, these are repressive societies to begin with, Pakistan wasn't until the best part of the 70s but has gone down that road since the 80s and is struggling to come to terms with it more and more now. The tide will be reversed though, because there's one thing no one can stop, and that's the social and cultural change that's taking place.

[jooneyisdagod]

Not to bang on about it myself but I did say something to the tune of 'of course they are going to watch it'.

If you are talking about this particular post, then again, it uses the word 'searches', not 'consumption'. And I explained the difference that consumption is difficult to judge because of the fucking ban on it and the c*nting firewall, which is why they all go to Google and try their luck in the search bar. Perhaps that's what the search results are so massively lopsided here.

If they could directly go to the good stuff, they might not have to go through the shame of google searches. Despite all of that, if Pakistan is still able to watch more porn than US, China, Korea, Japan or India, that's something to be fucking proud of I think.

But seriously, these are repressive societies to begin with, Pakistan wasn't until the best part of the 70s but has gone down that road since the 80s and is struggling to come to terms with it more and more now. The tide will be reversed though, because there's one thing no one can stop, and that's the social and cultural change that's taking place.

I think that last one was more of the point in that more repressive societies tend to actually have higher porn viewership. Personally, I don't care much if people want to watch porn or not. It's entirely up to them. If Pakistanis want to watch porn, they should be free to but at the moment they of course can't which only serves to make the place more repressive.

[Twelfth Man]

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[Ernie Clicker]

This is straying ridiculously off topic now, there's plenty of threads for the variety of discussions that have appeared 

[bigbonedrawky]

Another 5 killed and a couple of Churches burned to the ground:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/17/us-france-shooting-niger-iduskbn0kq0bp20150117

[Piggies in Blankies]

Burning down Christian churches because some atheists produced a cartoon in response to a mass slaughter.

Some people are so screwed up in their thinking.

[Conocinico]

The president added, however, that he shared the disgust of Muslims who felt offended by the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad and that freedom of expression should not mean liberty to insult religious beliefs.

The President of Niger clearly hasn't a clue.

[Dr. Beaker]

Everyone gets the piss taken out of them in this world, but it's only ever the devoutly religious who respond with machine guns and machetes.

Edit: sorry for clichéd post - blame it on a rather nice bottle of Argentinian red.

[The Gulleysucker]

Another 5 killed and a couple of Churches burned to the ground:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/17/us-france-shooting-niger-iduskbn0kq0bp20150117

Now there's an opportunity missed, in all probability probably condemning countless thousands in that country to a bloody death at the hands of extremists of all religions.

It's tragic, but there's currently an auspicious moment that should and could be seized by the brave and of all faiths.

It's that it doesn't matter what people say about your God, it really doesn't.

If people mock you for your beliefs, so what! Shrug your shoulders and sigh, after all you're right aren't you?

So if you have no doubts, be strong in your faith, no matter what it happens to be, I don't care, but just stop killing people for it, it's totally senseless.

[Narwin Dunez]

 Sad how little press that gets as its not a white country

[electricghost]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-muslim-leader-organising-legal-action-against-charlie-hebdo-over-mohamed-cartoons-9985984.html

Saudi Muslim leader organising 'legal action against Charlie Hebdo' over Mohamed cartoons




The Saudi Arabia-based Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is planning to sue the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo following its publication of a front cover depicting the Prophet Mohamed.

It comes as demonstrations against the controversial image on last week’s “survivor” issue turned violent in Niger, Pakistan and Algeria, while the Iranian authorities banned a daily newspaper for a front-page headline allegedly offering Charlie Hebdo its support.

In Saudi Arabia, the former culture minister and now head of the Jeddah-based OIC condemned the new edition of Charlie Hebdo as “an idiotic step that requires necessary legal measures”.

Iyad Madani told a Saudi newspaper: “OIC is studying Europe and French laws and other available procedures to be able to take legal action against Charlie Hebdo.

“If French laws allow us to take legal procedures against Charlie Hebdo, OIC will not hesitate to prosecute the French magazine.”

On his personal Twitter feed, Madani added: “These cartoons have hurt the sentiments of Muslims across the world.

“Freedom of speech must not become a hate speech and must not offend others. No sane person, irrespective of doctrine, religion or faith, accepts his beliefs being ridiculed,” he said.

The OIC has member states across North Africa and the Middle East, among others, as well as permanent delegations to the UN and EU. Madani was nominated to be its secretary general by Saudi Arabia, and elected at the end of 2013.

Madani’s comments came as the Iranian newspaper Mardom-e-Emrooz – or Today’s People – was ordered to close after publishing a front page quoting George Clooney saying: “Je suis Charlie”.

The newspaper pictured Clooney wearing a “Je suis Charlie” – or “I am Charlie [Hebdo]” – pin at the Golden Globes, but expressed neither support for the statement or the magazine in general from Mardom-e-Emrooz itself.

In Niger, police fired tear gas on an opposition protest held in defiance of a ban declared by the government in the aftermath of anti-Charlie Hebdo protests.

Though Sunday’s demonstration was planned well in advance of the shootings in Paris that saw 17 people killed in three days, it was banned by officials following violent riots at the end of last week.

Protesters against the Charlie Hebdo cartoons have set churches on fire, attacked bars and police stations and killed 10 people across the capital Niamey.

Elsewhere in the Muslim world, Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani condemned Charlie Hebdo, calling the newest cover image of Mohamed a blasphemous and irresponsible act.

“Freedom of expression should be used in a way to boost understanding between the religions,” he said in a statement issued by the presidential palace.

Iraq's prime minister Haider Abadi also issued a statement of condemnation, warning that “offensive words might lead to further bloodshed”.
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He also reiterated his condemnation of the attacks on innocent victims in Paris, saying that terrorism, “has nothing to do with Islam in any way”.

In Algiers, the Pakistani city of Karachi and the Yemeni capital Sanaa, protesters and police clashed outside their respective French embassies.

In Egypt, the Islamist Noor Party denounced the latest Charlie Hebdo cover on its French-language Facebook page.

“Just as the Noor Party rejects the assault on civilians and the negative effects it has for all Muslims of Europe, it also rejects this barbaric, irresponsible act under the name of freedom of expression,” the statement declared.

In Gaza, vandals scrawled graffiti on the walls of the French Cultural Centre. In addition to statements praising Mohamed and declaring him off-limits for ridicule or satire, the vandals also wrote: “To hell, to a miserable destiny, French journalists.”

[carling]

Jeez.  Where would Saudi Arabia be if they weren't sitting on a load of oil?

[At the Xmas works do asking someone to give them one]

“Freedom of speech must not become a hate speech and must not offend others. No sane person, irrespective of doctrine, religion or faith, accepts his beliefs being ridiculed,” he said.

Nah. That's exactly what sane people do. They accept that other people don't have to be bound by the strictures of your own religion.

[Corkboy]

Iraq's prime minister Haider Abadi also issued a statement of condemnation, warning that “offensive words might lead to further bloodshed”.

He also reiterated his condemnation of the attacks on innocent victims in Paris, saying that terrorism, “has nothing to do with Islam in any way”.

Erm....

[Corkboy]

[Yorkykopite]

Iraq's prime minister Haider Abadi also issued a statement of condemnation, warning that “offensive words might lead to further bloodshed”.

He also reiterated his condemnation of the attacks on innocent victims in Paris, saying that terrorism, “has nothing to do with Islam in any way”.

Erm....

Welcome to 'Doublethink'.

My favourite is from neighbouring Iran. "The Holocaust never happened; it was a hoax. And the Jews had it coming."

[Xabi Gerrard]

Welcome to 'Doublethink'.

My favourite is from neighbouring Iran. "The Holocaust never happened; it was a hoax. And the Jews had it coming."

Curious to know - which representative of Iran has said "the Jews had it coming" bit (or words to that effect)?

[GreatEx]

I'm loving all these very specific definitions of what freedom of expression means. Starting to feel sorry for these people in a way; living under oppressive theocracies really has dulled their mental acuity.

[GreatEx]

Curious to know - which representative of Iran has said "the Jews had it coming" bit (or words to that effect)?

Dunno, but I'm gonna guess Ahmedinijad (sp?).

[bigbonedrawky]

Now there's an opportunity missed,

Speaking of lost opportunity We had 40 of the Worlds most diviisive "Leaders" within a mile of the Bastille and over a million Peace/Unity marchers .

As for religion, one of them tells them to Turn the other cheek and the other tells them to Turn away from them (or somthing like that ) But facts are people like to be outraged at something or other. Which i suppose is just  "human nature" but a lot of the time its more a case of nurture  (Thats why Farcebook was invented    )

One thing i do know is. When things are going well, life is easy and people are happy, the seeds of extremism find the soil somewhat barren .
As for when things not going so well, eg when the crops have failed 
Well before you know it... Those Wassailers you encountered late one night in the middle of nowhere are dragging you out of the car and the next thing you know... Your toes are burning 

[Xabi Gerrard]

Dunno, but I'm gonna guess Ahmedinijad (sp?).

Nah I doubt it. He's very vocal about questioning the holocaust but I've never heard of him saying anything along the lines of "the jews had it coming". But maybe Yorkykopite will surprise me with a quote from him saying that....

[Corkboy]