Topic: Roy to be sacked & Dion Fanning article

[Gus 1855]

I wonder if Roy gets sacked then we go on and win the Europa cup whether Roy will claim it as his cup because it was his team?

[Zeb]

If Roy had us playing great football and we were top of the league, I doubt very much that NESV would be in any rush to find a more youthful replacement. So why are they so reluctant to let Kenny have a go as caretaker and see if he can do any better? There got to be more to it than the age thing. Purslow or someone else at the club must be advising NESV not to give Kenny the chance, probably telling them that the King has been out of the game too long and it just wouldn't work.

An alternative possibility is calling in the King right now would undermine any potential successor and provide a Beckenbauer/Busby type figure lurking in the boardroom to whom the fans would appeal at every minor setback. As a short-term appointment, it could conceivably mean that Kenny would find it very difficult to then go back as a club ambassador or a representative of the playing side for the board. There are sensible reasons for not letting Kenny take what could be a poisoned chalice - that said,  he may well be the only man who could unite the supporters behind him and has the authority to start reading the riot act to certain members of our squad.

[Solomon Grundy]

Regarding Kenny, I don't think they see him as their long term man, but just imagine how hard it would be for them to let him go if he was doing a top job here? I just don't think FSG dare take the risk of giving the job to Kenny knowing at some point they would have to get rid of him.

Like i've mentioned in the post above though, do you honestly think NESV would be in any rush to replace Roy if he was doing an exceptional job? Because I don't. Roy is a lot older the Kenny, so why the reluctance to give him a chance? Theres got to be more in it then the age thing for me. Its just an excuse.

[PJG]

Great news if true!!

As a permanent manager pellegrini is perfect, I would be made up if we got him

riijkaard is a weirdo,
kenny shouldn't take the job, managers come and go, like Roy Evans he would have to leave the club altogether if he was ever replaced
Rafa is not the answer although I'd like to take him for lunch

Age 57?  I would say that he has a good 6 years ahead of him, but I don't think FSG would share that view.

[djphal]

Age 57?  I would say that he has a good 6 years ahead of him, but I don't think FSG would share that view.

Going off the the list above they want owen coyle!

[liverpooll]

Great news if true!!

As a permanent manager pellegrini is perfect, I would be made up if we got him

riijkaard is a weirdo,
kenny shouldn't take the job, managers come and go, like Roy Evans he would have to leave the club altogether if he was ever replaced
Rafa is not the answer although I'd like to take him for lunch

my view exactly

[djphal]

I wonder if Roy gets sacked then we go on and win the Europa cup whether Roy will claim it as his cup because it was his team?

But it's not his team, he keeps telling us that

Given his record he will probably change his mind and say it was

[Solomon Grundy]

The worrying thing now is not only do we have a useless manager, we also have one who knows hes as good as gone. Where is the inspiration goin to come from? If you have read his last interview he comes across as someone really depressed and down in the dumps. Now surely that is a really dangerous thing to have at your club when the whole team is low on confidence, looking for answers and looking for someone who can motivate them enough to get them out of this whole. Wheres is motivation now goin to come from?... Roy?... I cant see it myself, he's goin to find it hard to motivate himself, nevermind anybody else.

[ElSheak]

Surely this puts certain players in an interesting position. If you knew the writing was on the wall for your boss, and another couple of bad games would conclude with his dismissal and you had little time for him, how would you go out and play today?

Would you go and give 100% or would you continue to under perform to increase the likelihood of his removal?

[MikkeB]

The Telegraph are explaiming what characteristics our new manager will have:

Youthful

John W Henry and Tom Werner are keen to build the club around a young, ambitious manager, preferably with an attractive style of play and an eye for upcoming talent.


Progressive

FSG's owners witnessed baseball's sabermetrics revolution first-hand with the Boston Red Sox and are determined to run Liverpool in a thoroughly new way. Any candidate will have to be happy to implement new ideas to revitalise a stagnant club.


Adaptable

Damien Comolli, the director of football strategy, would advise Henry and Werner on any change of manager and the successful candidate will need to be willing to work in tandem with the Frenchman on recruitment and long-term planning.


Successful

FSG's commitment, they have been at pains to reiterate, is to winning. That is key to their vision for making Liverpool competitive on and off the pitch. A proven record of success may not be necessary, but it will be a substantial advantage.

Rory's personal opinion, which is actually ludicrous

[Dubai_Red]

Let's be honest, if you were a manager and was offered a job by LFC, you wouldn't refuse it. Then if things weren't  going to plan and you knew that a sacking was imminent which would result in a £3M payoff, who in their right mind would resign?

Don't agree with it, but really can't see RH doing anything other then waiting to be sacked. Nothing in his tenure so far has suggested that he is an honorable person. Not buying this crap that Roy is a "nice man". Never did and sure as hell won't now. Nice men don't criticize young players, nice men don't let your start striker get criticized and do nothing, nice men don't slate your own player to the media, and nice men don't turn on the fans!

Not sure what the board is waiting for, there's already a candidate waiting in Liverpool. I'm sure Rafa would even give roy is 3m from the 6m pay-off he received to get a chance to acclaim what is rightfully his!!!!

[Jules Winnfield]

Rory's personal opinion, which is actually ludicrous

It was the same with the webchat, lots of posturing and hyperbole with no actual substance

[sherwos8]

Why is it ludicrous?

[Solomon Grundy]

Surely this puts certain players in an interesting position. If you knew the writing was on the wall for your boss, and another couple of bad games would conclude with his dismissal and you had little time for him, how would you go out and play today?

Would you go and give 100% or would you continue to under perform to increase the likelihood of his removal?

The thing is we shouldn't be putting ourselves in this sort of position. NESV have bottled it and it could cost us. They should do whats best for the club. We shouldn't be having a manager at the club who everyone now knows is as good as gone. This could really do more damage the good.

Come NESV do the humane thing and sack him.

[Brave Lee Flea]

It's an opening gambit. FSG aren't stupid. This is being leaked and they will wait to see what develops and then take whatever further action is necessary... If that involves removing Hodgson then that will happen.

My feeling is that this will make his position untenable and he will have to go. I assume FSG are intending will happen as well, but they are trying to do it in a way that appears they are not making a unilateral decision.

My take on it anyway..

That sounds like a whole lot of nonsense to me. I can't see why, if they had resolved to remove Roy, they would be afraid to be appear as if they were taking a decision. After all it's very clear that nobody (except possibly Roy's Mum and even that's not guaranteed) would criticise them for it.

[a glass of wine Sir?]

Right...I'm going to say it, as a man, I do think he's a gentleman, as a manager of Liverpool, he is completely out of his depth and must go. Primarily, he should go for what he is doing to our beloved club, but he should also go for the sake of his own health, can you imagine what it must be like knowing that literally every single Liverpool fan dispises you, the pressure he is under?? I genuinly don't want him to have a heart attack because of what is happening, he has certainly aged a great deal in 6 months. So please Roy, please resign for your sake, and the sake of Liverpool football club.

Happy New Year.

[MikkeB]

Why is it ludicrous?

Because he doesn't actually know what FSG's plan will be, all he's done is look at what they've done with Red Sox and think they would attempt to do the same thing here. , its a different sport, different climate, anyone with average footballing knowledge would tell you that appointing a manager who is "young" or "ambitious" doesn't ensure winning. All that counts is a track record.  I truly believe that the same names coming up for the CEO and Management jobs only show that people arent really analysing the situation with a cool head. ...To put it this way, when considering a manager just ask what chelsea or arsenal or even city would do. Would they appoint Villas? Coyle? ...No.

If we want to take such wild risks, why even have a CEO with footballing experience, lets just go for anybody who is "young" and "ambitious"

Secondly Comolli would not and should not have any choice over the manager. He is no expert, and is no more than a glorified scout.

[The G in Gerrard]

Laudrup, Boas, Flores or Garrido. Many good young managers out there hopefully the owners are pointed in the right direction to such managers.

[Dubai_Red]

The worrying thing now is not only do we have a useless manager, we also have one who knows hes as good as gone. Where is the inspiration goin to come from? If you have read his last interview he comes across as someone really depressed and down in the dumps. Now surely that is a really dangerous thing to have at your club when the whole team is low on confidence, looking for answers and looking for someone who can motivate them enough to get them out of this whole. Wheres is motivation now goin to come from?... Roy?... I cant see it myself, he's goin to find it hard to motivate himself, nevermind anybody else.

No change there then really? When has Hodgson ever been able to instill confidence in the side??

[Stussy]

Roy will be OK. He'll get a handsome payout, and his friends and admirers in the media will ensure that he is painted as a martyr who was not at fault - it was that horrible Spaniard what done him up like a kipper, and them bladdy Scousers with their impatience and intolerance. He'll soon be back in work with a Premiership club, his contacts and LMA backscratchers will make sure of it.

[Fanxxxxtastic]

Ian Dowie can fuck right off on Soccer Saturday right now as well.  Ususal Sky shite of Hodgson inheriting a poor squad bollocks.

[AlphaDelta]

Right...I'm going to say it, as a man, I do think he's a gentleman, as a manager of Liverpool, he is completely out of his depth and must go. Primarily, he should go for what he is doing to our beloved club, but he should also go for the sake of his own health, can you imagine what it must be like knowing that literally every single Liverpool fan dispises you, the pressure he is under?? I genuinly don't want him to have a heart attack because of what is happening, he has certainly aged a great deal in 6 months. So please Roy, please resign for your sake, and the sake of Liverpool football club.

Happy New Year.

Well said, I dont hate the man, I just think he is not the guy for us and needs to go sooner rather than later for the good of the club.
There is an article in todays Mirror where he is going on about how low he is feeling and how his family are trying to support him, part of me feels sorry for the fella, but the fan in me wants him sacked.

[amir87]

Ian Dowie should never be allowed to talk about football management.

[djphal]

I have a question,

Would you take a loss today and seal his fate for definate

Or a win that sees him remain in charge

[Craigthered]

dowie and his crownies defending roy on ssn now sick

[MikkeB]

That sounds like a whole lot of nonsense to me. I can't see why, if they had resolved to remove Roy, they would be afraid to be appear as if they were taking a decision. After all it's very clear that nobody (except possibly Roy's Mum and even that's not guaranteed) would criticise them for it.

[mobydick]

Ian Dowie can fuck right off on Soccer Saturday right now as well.  Ususal Sky shite of Hodgson inheriting a poor squad bollocks.

Dowie needs to borrow a brain before he opens his fat gob, fucking moron.

[lukas]

I have a question,

Would you take a loss today and seal his fate for definate

Or a win that sees him remain in charge

I think the result has no bearing on his future.

[amir87]

dowie and his crownies defending roy on ssn now sick

There's no harm in defending the guy but they should at least use valid arguments to back him.

[Ryde-On]

Paul Walsh is the only person talking sense, on Soccer Saturday.

Dowie showing himself to be rightfully unemployed.

[royhendo]

Idiots and Walshy trying to talk sense. Idiots. Cottee tries to bring in Rafa to the equation. Stelling, Jesus. Absolutely pathetic how these people perceive and cover the clubs. 

[Enemy]

I can't understand any the cynicism or negativity about this press release. People were moaning all last week about the amount of silence from the owners, the uncertainty and the want for Roy to leave and now they've come out and confirmed it people moan again? Damned if you do and damned if you don't. It comforts me greatly to know something is DEFINITELY being done as opposed to us just speculating.

[The G in Gerrard]

I think the result has no bearing on his future.

Best not either.

[amir87]

Idiots and Walshy trying to talk sense. Idiots. Cottee tries to bring in Rafa to the equation. Stelling, Jesus. Absolutely pathetic how these people perceive and cover the clubs. 

And then Stelling uses Villa Boas and Klopp as examples of managers that Liverpool fans won't be happy about. Clueless.

[Zeb]

Idiots and Walshy trying to talk sense. Idiots. Cottee tries to bring in Rafa to the equation. Stelling, Jesus. Absolutely pathetic how these people perceive and cover the clubs. 

Amazingly, Lawro on the BBC today has actually been nailing the issues pretty spot on. Has just said Hodgson has been insulting the intelligence of the Liverpool supporters and has nowhere else to go. Perhaps I shouldn't be amazed really all things considered.

[Dr Manhattan]

And then Stelling uses Villa Boas and Klopp as examples of managers that Liverpool fans won't be happy about. Clueless.

Stelling: "What about these names being linked with the job. The Porto manager Villas Boas, the Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp, these aren't the names that Liverpool fans want to hear linked with the job, are they?!"

Panel: "No, absolutely not".





Seriously, that's just fucking gold. Who should we be linked with Stelling? O'Neill? Big Sam?

[MikkeB]

Stelling: "What about these names being linked with the job. The Porto manager Villas Boas, the Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp, these aren't the names that Liverpool fans want to hear linked with the job, are they?!"

Panel: "No, absolutely not".





Seriously, that's just fucking gold. Who should we be linked with Stelling? O'Neill? Big Sam?

i agree

[Stussy]

The English football old boys network backslapping backscratching culture is fucking rank. I hate it.

Thats why Rafa was torn apart by them like a lynchmob.

Perpetual middle fingers right up in your faces, you c*nts.

[Redshadow]

He's leaving. Hopefully someone will also kick his butt on the way out.
Oh, can he take the best 23 that ever played for Liverpool with him?

[MOZ]

Stelling: "What about these names being linked with the job. The Porto manager Villas Boas, the Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp, these aren't the names that Liverpool fans want to hear linked with the job, are they?!"

Panel: "No, absolutely not".





Seriously, that's just fucking gold. Who should we be linked with Stelling? O'Neill? Big Sam?

They have never heard of these names so they assume we haven't either.

Clueless twats.