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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #360 on: November 20, 2023, 07:30:55 am »
Well, he did it.

Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/argentina-presidential-election-far-right-libertarian-javier-milei-wins-after-rival-concedes

You'd think enough high profile right wing failures had happened recently that populations would be wiser to them.

Cue UK reinforcements to the Falklands...
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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #361 on: November 20, 2023, 07:38:05 am »
Cue UK reinforcements to the Falklands...

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #362 on: November 20, 2023, 08:17:45 am »
Well, he did it.

Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/argentina-presidential-election-far-right-libertarian-javier-milei-wins-after-rival-concedes

You'd think enough high profile right wing failures had happened recently that populations would be wiser to them.

The fact the orange one was straight out to congratulate says it all

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-congratulates-argentine-libertarian-milei-election-win-2023-11-20/

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #363 on: November 20, 2023, 09:15:37 am »
Well, he did it.

Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/argentina-presidential-election-far-right-libertarian-javier-milei-wins-after-rival-concedes

You'd think enough high profile right wing failures had happened recently that populations would be wiser to them.

Yes, but when the status quo has delivered 140% inflation, you can understand why people would be desperate.  This was a vote in desperation.  He was running against the current finance minister  ;D

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #364 on: November 20, 2023, 09:40:39 am »
Yes, but when the status quo has delivered 140% inflation, you can understand why people would be desperate.  This was a vote in desperation.  He was running against the current finance minister  ;D

Exactly this. Argentina is an absolute mess. The options on the table were this nutter, or more of the same (Peronism). More of the same had already seen 40% of Argentina's population dip into poverty. So-called Peronists have dominated power for much of the last twenty years, and besides crashing the economy, they have been involved in all sorts of high profile corruption scandals.

Argentina is kind of a unique case with Peronism being a changable, vague and somewhat hard-to-define ideology. But Argentina is an important lesson in what can happen when people are desperate and crying out for change, with the only alternative "change candidate" on offer being the Far right.

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #365 on: November 20, 2023, 10:06:59 am »
I'm quite sure Javier Milei isn't the answer but I'm not sure what it is for Argentina.

They had the $50bn loan from the IMF about five years ago and a further $40bn loan from the IMF last year but things have just spiralled even further.  I read an article about how the drought was a major driver behind their inflation this year and that's not really something left, centre or right are going to resolve - if anything it will get worse in future years.  They seem to be pinning their hopes on gas and lithium exports but they seem more likely to create pockets of billionaires than to help the 40% of people living in poverty.

It feels as though there's at least an element of the global financial markets punishing Argentina for three debt defaults.

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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #366 on: November 20, 2023, 10:36:47 am »
Well, he did it.

Argentina presidential election: far-right libertarian Javier Milei wins after rival concedes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/argentina-presidential-election-far-right-libertarian-javier-milei-wins-after-rival-concedes

You'd think enough high profile right wing failures had happened recently that populations would be wiser to them.


'The left' have had power there more often than not in recent decades.

They have failed the Argentinian people. around 40% of Argentinians live in poverty - yet there are multi-millionaires and billionaires in Argentina. Inflation is at 140%. The economic policies of both 'the left' and 'the right' in Argentina follow the same narrow path.

It leads to people looking to 'political outsiders', who promise the 'rip up' the economic blueprint that has failed too many people.

And people are too stupid/desperate to realise they're buying snake oil, who will just make their lives worse.

But if 'the left' continue to fail to stand for and promote policies that will improve the lives of 'the many' - which inevitably means hitting the overly-rich few - then we will see more of this.

The corporate-capitalism economic model adopted (albeit to varying degrees) by pretty much all developed countries could only ever have a finite shelf-life, as it creates too much wealth inequality and, via globalisation, has seen too much core wealth and manufacturing function transferred 'eastwards'. When most feel they're getting better off (like in the credit-funded period of economic growth from the mid-90's to 2008), the growing wealth inequality can be masked over. When harder times come, it can't. And dissatisfaction looms in.

The hard-right, funded by malevolent billionaires like the Kochs, Mercers, Thiel and with scumbag media moguls on side, are miles out in front in terms of having the tools and tactics to harness the  growing dissatisfaction. Their first achievement is to con 'the plebs' into thinking that the solution to right-of-centre economics fucking-up their lives is more hardline right-of-centre economics - the smashing of 'burdensome' regulation, perpetuating the utter myth of trickle-down, cutting business taxes (the lie that businesses will then invest that money not paid in taxes into more jobs). Their second is the age-old diversionary tactic; diverting the focus of 'blame' for their shitty lives away from the tax-dodging billionaires and towards demonised organisations that they view as a threat to their vast wealth (eg, the EU and other supra-national regulatory bodies; trade unions that allow workers to unite to fight the billionaires) and groups of people who they know they can easily trigger bigotry against (immigrants, wokeist lefties, LGBTQ people, etc)

Their smoke and mirrors cannot last, as their socio-economic model will make things even worse for the majority.

The problem is, these vermin are so psychotic that by the time enough people realise they've been suckered, it could be too late, and they will have dismantled the organs of democracy that protect against tyrannical dictatorships.


Meanwhile, 'the left' adopt more and more right-of-centre economic policy, and allow themselves to become mired in trivial, irrelevant crap like gender and identity politics.



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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #368 on: November 20, 2023, 07:47:24 pm »
Cue UK reinforcements to the Falklands...
The UK surely could not mount a similar defense now if one were needed. Even if militarily capable (which I doubt), the Government do not possess any of the qualities required to pull it off. It would be a monumental fuck up - and probably before an Armada even set sail.
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Re: Brazil - The next country to fall to the right
« Reply #369 on: November 20, 2023, 08:16:36 pm »
Precisely.


Yet there's no end of people - including many who claim to be on the left - who defend the current economic model, or at the very least get all TINA about it.


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