Topic: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?)

[Jiminy Cricket]

The thing is most developing countries still have increasing populations. India for example is projected to reach 1.7bn people before levelling off if I remember right from the podcast I was listening to the other day.

This means if they want to freeze emissions, they effectively have to reduce emissions per person - and in turn living standards - in order to stand still.

What we should be doing is finding ways to encourage green growth in developing countries - in a way bypassing some of the steps developed countries went through and going straight to renewables/public transport etc.

This. But this approach will negatively impact lifestyles in developed nations. It would seem there is some resistance to this. But it is what must happen to bring developing nations to the table. It is all well and good to state that developing nations cannot develop because of climate change, but if developed nations cannot even bring down their greenhouse gas levels, what hope is there that they are willing to take a significant hit to help out nations which are striving to get out of poverty? And this does not even get into how developed nations got there by exploiting the non-developed world.

[rob1966]

I took this photo with my DashCam early October, its Booth Wood Reservoir on the M62, just after you cross the highest point at the border between Lancashire and Yorkshire, its on the left when heading east. Its maximum depth is 152 feet



Sunday I was going to Goole and the levels hadn't seemed to change much, normally at this time of the year its full to the brim and actually overflowing in the middle cut out section.



The next reservoir is Scammonden Reservoir and that is still really low too

[Jiminy Cricket]

I've got an EV on order.

I've replaced almost all my lightbulbs with LEDs

No negative impact upon you and your lifestyle.

I recycle

Good. How much of an impact is this upon you? And, is it not mandated by your council?

I've turned down the thermostat

How low? Do you actually feel chilly?

And will be travelling by ferry (and EV) for my summer holiday next near instead of aeroplane.

Driving to a foreign destination for your holidays might be the very definition of a First World hardship.

Oh, and myself and wife have only 2 children, thus keeping the population stable.

Come on now. That's probably your choice for personal reasons rather than climate change. And it is still above the UK national average of 1.7 per couple.

[Nobby Reserve]

This. But this approach will negatively impact lifestyles in developed nations. It would seem there is some resistance to this. But is what must happen to bring developing nations to the table. It is all well and good to state that developing nations cannot develop because of climate change, but if developed nations cannot even bring down their greenhouse gas levels, what hope is there that they are willing to take a significant hit to help out nations which are striving to get out of poverty? And this does not even get into how developed nations got there by exploiting the non-developed world.

between 1990 and 2018, the US decresed its per-capita figure from 19.3 to 16.1 metric tons per year; the UK from 9.7 to 5.6; France from 6.4 to 5.0

Worth also noting that 'develping countries like South Africa, Iran, Malaysia, Iraq, China, Mongolia, Russia all have higher per-capita GHG emissions than the UK or France.

That 6 out of the 12 worst GHG polluters are in the Arab Middle East.

And that, if current rates of growth/decrease are continued, Thailand, Brazil, Indonesia, Egypt and India (plus many more 'develping countries') will all have higher per-capita GHG emissions than the UK and France by 2050.

[skipper757]

Worth also noting that 'develping countries like South Africa, Iran, Malaysia, Iraq, China, Mongolia, Russia all have higher per-capita GHG emissions than the UK or France.

That 6 out of the 12 worst GHG polluters are in the Arab Middle East.

And that, if current rates of growth/decrease are continued, Thailand, Brazil, Indonesia, Egypt and India (plus many more 'develping countries') will all have higher per-capita GHG emissions than the UK and France by 2050.

Does this take into account factories that move to developing nations to produce goods for developed nations to consume?

Look, we can all do more, but it takes a global sacrifice, and developed nations are going to have to experience a drop in living standards that the majority will not be able to withstand if there's truly action taken.

[Red-Soldier]

That's all great but, you still have a carbon footprint far greater than the average person in those developing countries that you refuse to help.

You come across as a rich person living in a rich country, pointing the finger at the victim (poorer countries), telling them what they should be doing, without giving them actual support.

Remember, we are the ones mostly responsible for this.

[reddebs]

I took this photo with my DashCam early October, its Booth Wood Reservoir on the M62, just after you cross the highest point at the border between Lancashire and Yorkshire, its on the left when heading east. Its maximum depth is 152 feet



Sunday I was going to Goole and the levels hadn't seemed to change much, normally at this time of the year its full to the brim and actually overflowing in the middle cut out section.



The next reservoir is Scammonden Reservoir and that is still really low too

The ones on Woodhead are still really low too.  The one you drive over has grass growing where the water normally is.

[Red-Soldier]

I took this photo with my DashCam early October, its Booth Wood Reservoir on the M62, just after you cross the highest point at the border between Lancashire and Yorkshire, its on the left when heading east. Its maximum depth is 152 feet



Sunday I was going to Goole and the levels hadn't seemed to change much, normally at this time of the year its full to the brim and actually overflowing in the middle cut out section.



The next reservoir is Scammonden Reservoir and that is still really low too

That's mad.  Just shows you how bad the droubts were this year!  We definitely could see a knock-on effect into next year!

I was in the Peak District in August, the reservoirs were really low there.  There were warning signs of soft mud, yet we were just walking along the dried earth, righ up to the edge!

[Nobby Reserve]

The ones on Woodhead are still really low too.  The one you drive over has grass growing where the water normally is.

I'd imagine that, once all the rain from the last week flows through, they'll look better.

For reservoirs that serve the NW of England, the average is at 69.8% full to 13th Nov (against an ave of 83.1%). Higher levels in the Cumbrian ones than N Wales/Pennine (https://www.unitedutilities.com/help-and-support/your-water-supply/your-reservoirs/reservoir-levels/)

[Nobby Reserve]

Look, we can all do more, but it takes a global sacrifice, and developed nations are going to have to experience a drop in living standards that the majority will not be able to withstand if there's truly action taken.

Absolutely we all need to do more.

[skipper757]

Absolutely we all need to do more.

I'm hoping that's what will bring the world together.  I know that despite China-US tensions, the two are back committed to climate cooperation and such.  So maybe competition, especially in the developing world, will help.

Developing countries could benefit from expertise (in developing renewable infrastructure, public transit, climate-friendly lifestyles, etc).

That's at least what I'm hoping for.

To yours and Ian's points, there could be a midpoint of sorts for everyone, and that's probably the best case.

[thejbs]

First UK coal mine in decades approved despite climate concerns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63892381

I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere but this is utterly egregious. Climate campaigners must be in total despair. How do you try and get a government to commit to any sort of meaningful environmental change when they’re dumping waste into rivers and greenlighting coal mines in 2022.

[Red-Soldier]

First UK coal mine in decades approved despite climate concerns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63892381

I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere but this is utterly egregious. Climate campaigners must be in total despair. How do you try and get a government to commit to any sort of meaningful environmental change when they’re dumping waste into rivers and greenlighting coal mines in 2022.

You just have to fight them in the courts and write everything off, until the next GE.  Nothing good will happen while these pricks are in power.

[Nobby Reserve]

First UK coal mine in decades approved despite climate concerns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63892381

I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere but this is utterly egregious. Climate campaigners must be in total despair. How do you try and get a government to commit to any sort of meaningful environmental change when they’re dumping waste into rivers and greenlighting coal mines in 2022.

At the recent COP27, the UK was strongly arguing for less global use of coal.

Environmental concerns is just froth for the Tory Party. You can also add removing restrictions on pesticides that are harmful to the wider environment and changing the planning laws to give housebuilding giants more power to force planners to allow big new estates on greenbelt land.

[Nobby Reserve]

First UK coal mine in decades approved despite climate concerns https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63892381

I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere but this is utterly egregious. Climate campaigners must be in total despair. How do you try and get a government to commit to any sort of meaningful environmental change when they’re dumping waste into rivers and greenlighting coal mines in 2022.

Oh look, the new coal mine in Cumbria given approval by the Tory Government is owned by a bunch of tax dodgers based in the Cayman Islands.

So they'll presumably use loopholes to not pay any tax to the UK.

Wonder what size the brown envelopes were?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/08/cumbria-coalmine-is-owned-by-private-equity-firm-with-caymans-base

[AndyInVA]

I see the next 50 years putting a lot of stress on first world countries as I view regions in the world will no longer be able to support life.

Rising sea levels will move coast lines and droughts or extreme weather will start to push people away from some regions that are warming up. It looks like average temperatures are increasing as you go further north. I think this makes crop production possible in areas further north than before but destroys crops nearer the equator.

The regions that start to fail will have populations that want to move some where else, like central america at the moment that has had repeated crop failures.

I envisage the successful countries start to get more economic migrants than they already get now.

[BarryCrocker]

Global warming. Feel the burn Andy

Greta Thunberg
@GretaThunberg
yes, please do enlighten me. email me at smalldickenergy@getalife.com

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Andrew Tate
@Cobratate
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Hello @GretaThunberg

I have 33 cars.

My Bugatti has a w16 8.0L quad turbo.

My TWO Ferrari 812 competizione have 6.5L v12s.

This is just the start.

Please provide your email address so I can send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emissions.

[24/7]

Suveränt! 

[TepidT2O]

I don’t know who he is, but he just got destroyed in every way…..

[Jiminy Cricket]

Nice that, from Greta.

I don’t know who he is, but he just got destroyed in every way…..

So, this Tate fella has a Wiki entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate

Seems nice.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Global warming. Feel the burn Andy

And with all the 'wit' and intelligence of a stunted nine-year-old, Tate responds:

https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/1608212791009374208

What a thoroughly unimpressive 'man'.

[24/7]

And with all the 'wit' and intelligence of a stunted nine-year-old, Tate responds:

https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/1608212791009374208

What a thoroughly unimpressive 'man'.

Guy's been totally schooled and resorts to mirroring insult that doesn't even make sense. Wow. Marcus Aurelius said it best here - "People should know when they're defeated."

[BarryCrocker]

And with all the 'wit' and intelligence of a stunted nine-year-old, Tate responds:

https://twitter.com/Cobratate/status/1608212791009374208

What a thoroughly unimpressive 'man'.

When you have to stage a response you've definitely lost.

[Jshooters]

His wiki has been updated 

[ScottScott]

It's impressive in this day and age of the stream of c*nts and twats online that he has come out of nowhere and taken the crown as the biggest. This new era of TikTok and YouTube Shorts of quick clips that can be shared easily and quickly is giving rise to people like this. Say something controversial and it's spread even faster

Where do I get off? Think I'm done

[Elmo!]

And I thought Greta was against burning fossils.

[24/7]

And I thought Greta was against burning fossils.

Very good!

[Jiminy Cricket]

His wiki has been updated 

Love that!

[rafathegaffa83]

I don’t know who he is, but he just got destroyed in every way…..

He's now been arrested in Romania for human trafficking. Romanian authorities used his tweets to Greta to determine he was in the country

[Chakan]

He's now been arrested in Romania for human trafficking. Romanian authorities used his tweets to Greta to determine he was in the country

please be true!

[Crosby Nick]

please be true!

Apparently the pizzas he had delivered during the video are from a Romanian chain.

I’d never really heard of him apart from seeing his name mentioned once in a while but it’s hilarious if he’s getting some comeuppance because he’s so thin skinned he couldn’t handle a Twitter spat.

[BarryCrocker]

Apparently the pizzas he had delivered during the video are from a Romanian chain.

I’d never really heard of him apart from seeing his name mentioned once in a while but it’s hilarious if he’s getting some comeuppance because he’s so thin skinned he couldn’t handle a Twitter spat.

Pizzagate.

[Max_powers]

 

Good riddance.

[Spezialo]

Reckon its a set up.

Convenient all the press was there.

[24/7]

Reckon its a set up.

Convenient all the press was there.

eh?

[Chakan]

Reckon its a set up.

Convenient all the press was there.

So someone set him up to message her out of the blue and get roasted? I don't get it?

[Spezialo]

So someone set him up to message her out of the blue and get roasted? I don't get it?

The human trafficking accusations, not messages to Greta

[Chakan]

The human trafficking accusations, not messages to Greta

I still don't understand how it's a setup?

[Spezialo]

I still don't understand how it's a setup?

Just think its a bit strange how he had this spat with Greta and now he's been taken in accused of human trafficking.

Who knows?!

[RainbowFlick]

Just think its a bit strange how he had this spat with Greta and now he's been taken in accused of human trafficking.

Who knows?!

it's not his first time having accusations for this? he was identified by the pizza boxes as Romanian authorities were continuing to investigate him.