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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #120 on: January 7, 2011, 10:03:44 pm »
Stussy mate nothing personal but can we dispense with the references to mental illnesses and diagnoses thereof? People doing this shit are twisted for sure but let's not go too far with the comparisons. Ta!

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #121 on: January 7, 2011, 10:05:52 pm »

Sorry mate.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #122 on: January 7, 2011, 10:06:56 pm »

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #123 on: January 7, 2011, 10:50:25 pm »
Just another update. 

An organised attempt does not mean a mass attempt.  It means a pre-meditated attempt to compromise users webmail accounts, use those accounts to compromise their RAWK accounts, and then hack into those RAWK accounts to make sick posts about Hillsborough with the express intention of taking those screenshots and distributing them as a smear against Liverpool fans.

As I said, if that is how they get their kicks then that is their problem.  If you think it is defensible well that is up to you.

We caught the second attempt as it happened and an initial google of the offending post revealed that it had already been posted on Red Cafe and by one person on Twitter.  At that point we were unable to find it anywhere else.  At the moment those early posters are the main leads.  The speed with which they posted the screenshots suggest that they are either involved or linked to whoever did it.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #124 on: January 7, 2011, 11:02:48 pm »
Thanks for keeping us updated :) Hopefully we can get this all sorted quickly for the sake of Dave Skywalker and Rob_k
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #125 on: January 7, 2011, 11:04:22 pm »
Utmost respect to the mods, superb job you fellas do.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #126 on: January 7, 2011, 11:19:42 pm »
A couple of questions fellas.

Have an attempt been made to communicate with the mods of Redcafe, or vice versa, to cross reference the offending IP number?

Will RAWK, or Dave (since he's the one primarily affected by the matter) intend to pursue this with the authorities?
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #127 on: January 7, 2011, 11:20:58 pm »
Well done Mods for getting a hold of the situation so quickly.

Makes you worried as to how easy it can be in any walk of life for your security to be compromised - especially to the extent to post something so appalling under someone elses account - the fact that there is an innocent victim(s) to this is upsetting.

We're all football fans and it takes a sick person to do something like this - but it is always worth remember that it is a very small minority - 99% of all football fans are decent humans who just happen to support different teams.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #128 on: January 7, 2011, 11:23:49 pm »
Whether the two users impacted want to contact the police regarding what has happened is up to them.  If they decide to do that then we will obviously cooperate fully and provide any information that is required by the authorities.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #129 on: January 7, 2011, 11:28:18 pm »
was the person who posted it on twitter the same one who posted it on redcafe?

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #130 on: January 7, 2011, 11:29:21 pm »
was the person who posted it on twitter the same one who posted it on caferouge?

Don't know mate. 
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #131 on: January 7, 2011, 11:35:16 pm »
Well done Mods for getting a hold of the situation so quickly.

Makes you worried as to how easy it can be in any walk of life for your security to be compromised - especially to the extent to post something so appalling under someone elses account - the fact that there is an innocent victim(s) to this is upsetting.

We're all football fans and it takes a sick person to do something like this - but it is always worth remember that it is a very small minority - 99% of all football fans are decent humans who just happen to support different teams.

I agree with this. I had £800 lifted from one of my credit cards last year(after booking tickets online). Just shows how easy it is to be fleeced on the internet.
Money is replaceable, but when you or your loved ones are compromised well that's just shit. Kudos to the mods on here for sorting it early doors.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #132 on: January 7, 2011, 11:56:36 pm »
Just had a read up of what I have missed durin the last hour or so, the mods have done a boss job so far. Full credit to ya lads.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #133 on: January 8, 2011, 12:02:13 am »
Whether the two users impacted want to contact the police regarding what has happened is up to them.  If they decide to do that then we will obviously cooperate fully and provide any information that is required by the authorities.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #134 on: January 8, 2011, 12:06:31 am »
Poor fella. Some shitehouses out there, surely this is a criminal offence of some sort?

Agree with this.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #135 on: January 8, 2011, 12:07:32 am »
What's the process if you've forgotten your password, do you get a reminder by email? If so then they must have had their email accounts hacked I assume? Is a users email address visable to 'outsiders' if they don't hide it? Is there any chance users' emails adresses registered to RaWK could have been comprimised in any way?

I saw RobK's post earlier, I don't know him personally or anything, but I've seen him post and it was obvious it wasn't him posting that, feel sorry for the lads who got their accounts hacked in that way! Such a shitty thing to do, well done to the mods though. I'm not one for brown-nosing but you've done a sterling job there.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #136 on: January 8, 2011, 12:14:30 am »
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #138 on: January 8, 2011, 12:21:46 am »
Would it come under the Computer Misuse Act? Posting is altering data, and as it is clearly malicious, using someone else account comes under its scope. The jurisdiction is interesting - neither the RAWK servers nor the posting address were in the UK, but if the user is traced to be in the UK, it is still an offence here.

If the perpetrator hasn't covered their tracks, they are in deep doodoo.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #139 on: January 8, 2011, 09:50:06 am »
Super work mods.  Anybody involved with this is obviously sick in the head.  I hope the person responsible is caught and punished because their actions could've had terrible consequences. 
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #140 on: January 8, 2011, 01:13:51 pm »
Thanks for all the acknowledgements but lets not forget the sterling work that SMD has done.

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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #141 on: January 8, 2011, 01:41:22 pm »
Please do not post any links on Twitter, if you feel that anything needs looked at then bring it to the attention of the mods privately :wave
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #142 on: January 8, 2011, 01:43:24 pm »
A twitter account has been created.  It purports to belong to a 15 yo Swede and he is claiming responsibility for hacking the two users.

However as it is a newly created account and it does not tie in too well with some aspects of the hack then we are sceptical as to it's validity.  In the meantime we would urge users not to respond to the twitter account or post details of it here 
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #143 on: January 8, 2011, 02:16:13 pm »
FAO RedCafe moderators reading thread (golden_blunder). One of our mods registered with your site last night so he could talk privately with your mods. He is still awaiting approval as far as I'm aware hence no contact. Another has just contacted you in the last few minutes via your contact form.

FAO others on RedCafe as there seems to be a lot of confusion (feel free to repost):

1) Two separate RAWK accounts were compromised. One Thursday night and one Friday night. Both accounts had been registered on here for many years and lads well known to moderators. Another attempt to compromise a third account was blocked.

2) The sick parody posts made re: Hodgson/Hillsborough were almost identical in nature and crucially were made from the same IP address which had never been used before on those accounts or the forum as a whole. They also stood out a mile to any LFC fan as clearly being a dig over Hillsborough.

3) Posts removed within minutes. Screen shots appeared on twitter almost simultaneously and contents similarly copy and pasted on to RedCafe and other Man Utd sites. Your moderators have deleted the first post which was copy and pasted but the second (and quotes of it) remain. We appreciate the work you do on your forum with respect to idiotic comments on both Heysel and Hillsborough, as we do with Munich references here, which isn't always replicated elsewhere.

4) This doesn't mean RedCafe/RedIssue/UnitedOnline members or the forums/websites themselves were necessarily responsible for the account compromisation. With Red Cafe it could be just a coincidence with being such a large site with so many members. With the window the posts were on this site being so small, it is probable that you have a few posters just a bit too obsessed with this site and they have F5 fever, constantly refreshing for things to copy and paste in your RAWK Meltdown thread. We used to have the same problem here with fans obsessed with your site. That is why we binned RedCafe Watch style threads a few years back and added your site to the forum filter to prevent people posting links to discourage such slightly worrying myopia.

5) With regards to the release of private details as alleged by a couple of your members (Pogue_Mahone and Zen86) - we have only once released details in 10 years of the site being active. This was to the police who were investigating a fraud re: spare tickets. The individual was successfully prosecuted. As for RAWK releasing personal details (name, address etc) not only would this be illegal and morally something we'd be utterly opposed to, but also something we couldn't do as we don't have any of that information. We only have usernames and email addresses of registered users. The first of the two hacked users was targetted offsite as he's a well known Red and the screenshots were distributed quickly by social media such as facebook.

6) The IP address in question has been traced to a third country from the current locations of both users whose accounts were hacked (one is currently serving with the RAF in Afghanistan which is why we were very suspicious over the activity) and we're continuing our investigations. If a Red Cafe moderator wants the IP address to check their own forum isn't being targetted we'd be happy to pass it on in confidence.

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Hope that clears up any confusion and questions.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #144 on: January 8, 2011, 06:35:14 pm »
I would hope that the vast majority of Manc fans would be as disgusted by these despicable actions as we are. I am sure that the mods over there will act properly.A big thank you to our mods, its a tough job and you have done it well.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #145 on: January 15, 2011, 09:33:38 am »
I would hope that the vast majority of Manc fans would be as disgusted by these despicable actions as we are.
Some of them (at RC) are suggesting is was all done by our (LFC) supporters to blame them ...
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #146 on: January 15, 2011, 09:36:19 am »
If they have any evidence they'd like to share, the RAWK mods would be more than happy to accept it, anything to lessen their load.
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Re: Follow up - RAWK, Dave Skywalker & A Hillsborough Smear
« Reply #147 on: January 15, 2011, 09:41:33 am »
I'm locking this as there is little to add beyond SMD's post above. We have contacted RC but we have not had a response from them. If their members wish to blame Liverpool fans then obviously that's their prerogative. We have plenty of circumstantial that discredits that theory.