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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1760 on: August 9, 2010, 08:32:51 pm »
Shefflin
Walsh
Hickey
Brennan
Larkin
Fogarty

Fogarty is right. That one stumped me. Hickey was injured last year so was only on the bench. You were right originally with Tyrrell.
Lyng and Kavanagh started the last 4 but look like they'll miss out.

Its a surprisingly high turnover, only 6 out of 15. A whole bunch more, like Hickey, JJ, Richie Power will get 4/5, but I suppose it's how Cody keeps them on the toes.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1761 on: August 9, 2010, 08:33:00 pm »
Billys + JJ Delaney

Missed the 06 final with injury
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1762 on: August 9, 2010, 11:01:25 pm »
Here is a toughie trivia question for you all

Which player won a Hurling and Football Railway cup medal on the same day?

Hint: It was in the 60's
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1763 on: August 9, 2010, 11:11:57 pm »
Here is a toughie trivia question for you all

Which player won a Hurling and Football Railway cup medal on the same day?

Hint: It was in the 60's

I think you're bluffing us to think that it's a cork player.
So I'll guess either Babs Keating or Lar Foley.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1764 on: August 9, 2010, 11:24:02 pm »
I think you're bluffing us to think that it's a cork player.
So I'll guess either Babs Keating or Lar Foley.


Nope, its not a Cork player, strangely enough :P

The man in question is actually a Dub
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1765 on: August 9, 2010, 11:28:20 pm »
Nope, its not a Cork player, strangely enough :P

The man in question is actually a Dub

Kevin Heffernan, that's the only Dub I know from that period

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1766 on: August 9, 2010, 11:32:11 pm »
Kevin Heffernan, that's the only Dub I know from that period

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1767 on: August 9, 2010, 11:49:05 pm »
Its a hard one like

The correct answer is Des Foley

In the Railway Cup hurling final in Croke Park, Foley lined out at midfield alongside Michael Kennedy, who achieved the unique distinction of getting the first ever score broadcast live from Croke Park. Foley then partnered Mick Carley of Westmeath in the football final. The following day, Foley turned out for the Rest of Ireland against the Combined Universities. Saint Patrick’s Day fell on a Saturday in 1962 so the Railway Cup games were played in Croke Park on that day. The next day was Sunday and, amazingly, Foley lined out at midfield again - this time alongside Jarlath Carey of Down. Three games in 24 hours, an amazing feat
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1768 on: August 10, 2010, 12:10:45 am »
Ah feck ye, I had Lar Foley. Must be his brother (who I never heard of, to be honest).
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1769 on: August 10, 2010, 04:21:22 pm »
It appears that fencing an all grounds is going to be implemented in order to stop the pitch invasions

It will be a sad day if that happens. Why can't people just stay the fuck off the pitch?

We have the GAA President writing to the Government asking for legislation to be introduced which bans it, we also have our players on the big screens in Croke Park doing Ads, pleading with fans to stay off the pitch, we're facing the prospect of having fencing put around all grounds, yet there were still people texting in to monday sport yesterday saying that they will continue to run on the pitch because its "tradition". Do these numpty fucks even stop to listen? I mean Christ, what more will it take to get the message to sink in?

 
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1770 on: August 10, 2010, 05:19:58 pm »
To be honest Billy I wouldn't like to see it go either its a unique to the sport and it has caused no major problems before. In the 125 years of the GAA they're hasn't been any serious injuries. What should be done is proper policing and stewarding of the pitch invasion. I know its a cliche, but this is just another case of over regulation in modern society.

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1771 on: August 10, 2010, 06:02:14 pm »
To be honest Billy I wouldn't like to see it go either its a unique to the sport and it has caused no major problems before. In the 125 years of the GAA they're hasn't been any serious injuries. What should be done is proper policing and stewarding of the pitch invasion. I know its a cliche, but this is just another case of over regulation in modern society.

It has caused no major problems that you know of.

I saw a young fella about 10 years of age get trampled on in 2006. God forbid if that Kid had died as a result, do you think his parents would take comfort in the fact that its a 120 year tradition? Lets say it was your brother, father, or nephew? Would you still advocate invading the pitch? I listened to a phone in on this topic last year on Radio 1, where people were ringing in to talk about injuries they sustained because of pitch invasions. There were a couple of horror stories. To say it has caused no major problems is a little wide of the mark.

In my own personal opinion, it is more dangerous now than it was 15 to 20 years ago. The demographics have changed a lot. It seems to me that there are less and less older people attending games these days. By that I mean Women or Fella's of say 50+ years of age. People from the "old stock" if you know what I mean? Slowly but surely there seems to be a lot more younger people attending games. Groups of teenagers out for a day on the piss, with vodka in their coke bottles and all that jazz.

When I saw that kid being trampled on, I didn't see 1 person stop to help him. I tried to get to him but I couldn't because there were hundreds of pissed up yobs in my way. Eventually a Steward got him up and got him back to his Dad, who was visibly distressed by the whole ordeal. You wouldn't see the "old stock" as I call them, leave a child on the ground. Never in a month of Sundays. But the pissed up youth of today are completely different, many of them dont pay any heed to acting responsibly.

This is why I think its only a matter of time before we eventually end up with a tradgedy on our hands. Take last years All Ireland hurling final for instance. One Steward tried to restrain supporters from running onto the pitch over at the corner of the Hill. He got smacked in the face, and kicked by the Kilkenny fans. They eventually just steam rolled him. At the other side of the Hill the fans were trying to climb into the Hogan so they could make their way out onto the pitch that way. Numerous stewards were assaulted

Now consider if someone in the middle of a melee like that needed medical attention. How do you get an ambulance to them? You have 30 odd thousand of the losing fans streaming out onto Jones Road and Clonliffe Ave, and another 30 odd thousand people inside trying to raid onto the pitch. I think its fair to say it would be a nightmare. And thats a tight rope that isn't worth walking these days IMO. It has simply got to stop, in the interest of everyones safety. This aint the good old days anymore, times have changed unfortuneatly   
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1772 on: August 10, 2010, 06:34:09 pm »
I take your point on the changing demographics of the attendance at games and yes the "old stocks" I call the "Auld Stockasrex's" are a better sort, but I'm just going on what Iv seen and Iv been involved in quite a few pitch invasion and not have them has been a problam.

The place were I have had problems in particular is the the tunnel's inside Pairc which are joke, and I'm surprised their hasn't ever been a major crush inside there.

Your points are valid and there is a time for a safety first attitude, but do we have to go to all county grounds on this its seems a bit harsh for just a few isolated incidents with no major injuries.

King Henry out of final. Pity, deserves to round off the 5 (if they get it)

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1773 on: August 10, 2010, 07:23:17 pm »
It appears that fencing an all grounds is going to be implemented in order to stop the pitch invasions

Good, Morons.

Stupid "Tradition"
The cheek of that mon, deserves a shlap

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1774 on: August 10, 2010, 07:29:30 pm »
That's a terrible shame for Shefflin. He would have been the only man to start in all 10 Cody finals (winning 7/9 so far), and to be in a position of winning 8 in 11 years might never be repeated.

And I agree with ya Billy on the pitch invasions. That croke park final documentary on RTE again last week was interesting - the minors got a great podium celebration with a lap of honour, while the seniors have to run the gauntlet of thousands of yahoos slapping them on the back and shouting 'ya boyo ya'. It's especially bad for the losing side.

Another thing overrated is the speeches. How many memorable ones have there been? - Daly for Clare in '95 is the last I can remember.
Even my greatest ever day as a gael (24th July 2004 - didnt have to look it up), I couldn't hear a word of Shaugho's speech after westmeath won - and I was in the hogan directly above him. It was only when I read the papers a few days later did I think 'that was a great speech', which kinda defeats the purpose.
You can tick the boxes on every speech  -  'Ta an-athas orm..' then the 'Nobody believed in us' (even kerrymen say this), 'thanks to the trainer who drove us those miles on those cold winter nights', 'big thanks to the selectors (who noone ever remember) 'above all, the man who believed in us, who made us believe (insert manager's name)', followed by '3 cheers for the losers'.

Barack Obama it ain't.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1775 on: August 10, 2010, 07:37:54 pm »
Another thing overrated is the speeches. How many memorable ones have there been? - Daly for Clare in '95 is the last I can remember.
Even my greatest ever day as a gael (24th July 2004 - didnt have to look it up), I couldn't hear a word of Shaugho's speech after westmeath won - and I was in the hogan directly above him. It was only when I read the papers a few days later did I think 'that was a great speech', which kinda defeats the purpose.
You can tick the boxes on every speech  -  'Ta an-athas orm..' then the 'Nobody believed in us' (even kerrymen say this), 'thanks to the trainer who drove us those miles on those cold winter nights', 'big thanks to the selectors (who noone ever remember) 'above all, the man who believed in us, who made us believe (insert manager's name)', followed by '3 cheers for the losers'.

Barack Obama it ain't.

Ah now I can understand wanting to get rid of the pitch invasions, but leave the speeches out of it. I know the vast majority aren't great, but they're worth having around for the sake of the odd classic.


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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1776 on: August 10, 2010, 07:44:07 pm »
Odd classic?

Connolly for Galway in 1980, Daly for Clare in '95.  So I guess we're due one this year on a 'every 15 years' strike-rate?
Lose it, and replace it with decent tv coverage in the dressing rooms, like in Aussie Rules. The captain and coach get their spiel, they all have a sing-song and everyone's happy.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1777 on: August 10, 2010, 07:44:38 pm »
Good, Morons.

Stupid "Tradition"

Only cos you don't get to do it that often :P

Not sure what way to look at it, they need to move on with H & S but at the same time how do you accommodate fans that can't see?


And as for speeches, there haven't been enough Declan Browne moments in recent years.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1778 on: August 10, 2010, 08:06:36 pm »
Odd classic?

Connolly for Galway in 1980, Daly for Clare in '95.  So I guess we're due one this year on a 'every 15 years' strike-rate?
Lose it, and replace it with decent tv coverage in the dressing rooms, like in Aussie Rules. The captain and coach get their spiel, they all have a sing-song and everyone's happy.


Its worth it, those speeches are amazing, for me Declan O'Sulllivan's in 07 was great and I would say Billy would be fond of Mark Landers speech in 99

About coverage inside the dressing room, I'm sure the management and players will be delighted about that, they're not paranoid about the media at all. Anyway Its the teams moment back in under the stands not ours our RTE's. Its an amature game with traditions in the past why cant we just leave some of the rampant commercialism out of it, just because the speeches don't entertain you as much as the idea of looking Sean Og O'Hailpin's ball bag.

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1779 on: August 10, 2010, 08:09:13 pm »
Yes but then you have speeches like Cormac McAnallen's in the 98 minor final where no one, not even Cormac, knew what he was saying.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1780 on: August 10, 2010, 08:20:53 pm »
Yes but then you have speeches like Cormac McAnallen's in the 98 minor final where no one, not even Cormac, knew what he was saying.

You're dead right Jeff, actually can we fix it that only non Ulster teams are allowed on the pitch and do  speeches. This is the most farcical presentation ever and to think what darragh would have done with his airtime and us Kerry people making our way on in a safe and orderly manner.

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1781 on: August 10, 2010, 08:28:00 pm »
Fair play to him, he at least tried to push for safety.

But could you blame them, all those attempts and they've still only managed it the once? :D

McAnallen's in 1998 though was entirely in Irish, had been written by his brother and Cormac barely knew what he was reading off that sheet.

For what it's worth I did think McGeeney's speech was shite but he's a man of few words anyway.

Declan Browne's Tommy Murphy Cup speech in 2005 was quite good though.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1782 on: August 10, 2010, 08:54:44 pm »

McAnallen's in 1998 though was entirely in Irish, had been written by his brother and Cormac barely knew what he was reading off that sheet.

What I was saying ye're a farce

This fella had no problam with the os Gaeilge. To translate the last bit he says "Tommy Doyle will be back to accept the cup next year!" and he was  :)

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Declan Browne's Tommy Murphy Cup speech in 2005 was quite good though.

Vaguely remember it, enlighten me

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1783 on: August 10, 2010, 09:03:32 pm »
That's ok though, no one wants to hear an entire speech in Irish after a minor final tho.

Can only remember bits meself, it's more the fact that his paper blew away mid speech that was memorable. ;D
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1784 on: August 10, 2010, 09:10:18 pm »
Can only remember bits meself, it's more the fact that his paper blew away mid speech that was memorable. ;D

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1785 on: August 10, 2010, 09:12:20 pm »
;D



That game actually had the potential to be a decent forward battle that day, Forde against Browne.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1786 on: August 10, 2010, 09:26:21 pm »
That game actually had the potential to be a decent forward battle that day, Forde against Browne.

Were you at that game our something our an avid Tommy Murphy fan?

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1787 on: August 10, 2010, 09:33:19 pm »
Were you at that game our something our an avid Tommy Murphy fan?

Was at it. Happened to be a spare ticket goin for the AI semi that day and as I was headin to France 2 weeks later, thought I'd avail of it.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1788 on: August 10, 2010, 09:56:24 pm »
Was at it. Happened to be a spare ticket goin for the AI semi that day and as I was headin to France 2 weeks later, thought I'd avail of it.

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1789 on: August 10, 2010, 09:58:11 pm »
Eh?
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1790 on: August 10, 2010, 10:00:52 pm »
Eh?

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1791 on: August 10, 2010, 10:02:57 pm »

Your points are valid and there is a time for a safety first attitude, but do we have to go to all county grounds on this its seems a bit harsh for just a few isolated incidents with no major injuries.


The only way we'll end up with fences in every ground is if people keep ignoring the pleas of the GAA

If on the other hand, people pay attention and just stay off the pitch in Croke park then our grounds can remain fenceless

It really is that simple. Yet there were fucking morons texting into radio 1 yesterday saying they'll go on the pitch if Kilkenny win the 5 in a row. Despite the fact that their own players are part of the current Ad campaign. How fucking idio0tic can you get like?
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1792 on: August 10, 2010, 10:19:58 pm »
It really is that simple. Yet there were fucking morons texting into radio 1 yesterday saying they'll go on the pitch if Kilkenny win the 5 in a row. Despite the fact that their own players are part of the current Ad campaign. How fucking idio0tic can you get like?

I wouldn't be too sure how sincere those cries are, a lot of former players have come out and talked up the positives of the crowd on the pitch.

I would stand half way between you and the yahoo on this issue. It would be a shame to see it go Id like to see if the GAA can look into facilitating the fans coming on the pitch rather than taking the extreme approach of the ban.

Maybe they could look into a ban on alcohol sales in the ground, a person could easily knock back 5 pints inside there and we know that a few boozes can have a negative effect on a lot of people.

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1793 on: August 10, 2010, 10:31:03 pm »
Paddy Heaney made a good point in todays Irish News that injuries could just as easily happen in the stand as in a pitch invasion (and "invasion" is the wrong word because you don't invade your home.

And don't get me started on players backing campaigns. Anyone allowing certain Ulster players to front the "Belt up and Drive safe" campaign has clearly never seen them on the road.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1794 on: August 10, 2010, 10:34:19 pm »
I'll be sad to see it come to an end too. I really will. (like it or not, It WILL come to an end one way or another, be it by easy means or harder means) But we have to be pragmatic about it. This is the modern age, and saftey requirments simply have to be adhered to.

As for banning the alcohol in the ground, I'd be amazed if that was ever implemented. I doubt Guinness would be impressed with that one, and I don't see the GAA wanting to piss off their biggest sponsor. But I do get where you're coming from on that one
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1795 on: August 10, 2010, 10:38:14 pm »
If the government ever gets their way they won't be too long in banning drink from the ground.

Is it strictly speaking not banned anyway, it says it's not allowed in the ground on all the Ulster match programmes.
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1796 on: August 10, 2010, 10:47:15 pm »
If the government ever gets their way they won't be too long in banning drink from the ground.

Is it strictly speaking not banned anyway, it says it's not allowed in the ground on all the Ulster match programmes.

As far as I know Croker is the only place that allows it, go figure.

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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1797 on: August 10, 2010, 10:47:29 pm »
If the government ever gets their way they won't be too long in banning drink from the ground.

Is it strictly speaking not banned anyway, it says it's not allowed in the ground on all the Ulster match programmes.

You're not allowed to "bring it in" to any ground. Although you can purchase drink in Croke Park

I don't think the Government would be too inclined to tell the GAA how to run their shop either. If the GAA had said "no" to opening up Croke Park to Soccer and Rugby then they would have found themselves in quiet a prediciment. Pissing off the powers that be on Jones Road is a can of worms they would rather avoid IMO 
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1798 on: August 10, 2010, 10:51:05 pm »
Obviously don't check it too well, last time I was in Clones there were loads drinkin around me, tho we were further away from the pitch than most.

Going back to the pitch invasions, although he probably is in agreement with the safety, do you think there was any stopping Jarlath Burns from tearing out of the commentary box to get onto the pitch on a September Sunday in 2002?
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Re: GAA Thread 2010
« Reply #1799 on: August 10, 2010, 10:55:50 pm »
Going back to the pitch invasions, although he probably is in agreement with the safety, do you think there was any stopping Jarlath Burns from tearing out of the commentary box to get onto the pitch on a September Sunday in 2002?

That was 8 years ago. There was no ultimatum in place at that time that was threatening the erection of fencing. Had there been, he may have stayed put
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