Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread

[El Lobo]

Loans are always going to be hit and miss but sending a young lad from the north west to Portugal is a big culture difference, when he was more likely to get a game and settle in League One somewhere (with team mates and staff he can properly communicate with). He's 20 now so needs games.

What do you think happened? We got a phone call in broken English and it was actually a bar in Famalicão trying to order some Becks? And we just chucked him on a plane and wished him luck for the season, when all they wanted was a few crates of horrible beer? We obviously had a conversation with them about how he'd be used, with him about whether he was happy going abroad, and for whatever reason its just not worked out. Thats not really on anyone, its just obviously worse a for a kid being on his own in Portugal as opposed to not getting a game at Blackburn and being able to go home and see his mates every day. So makes sense to bring him home. Its not some grand awful statement that the club has fucked up. Its just heaven forbid a loan that didn't really work out.

[Fromola]

What do you think happened? We got a phone call in broken English and it was actually a bar in Famalicão trying to order some Becks? And we just chucked him on a plane and wished him luck for the season, when all they wanted was a few crates of horrible beer? We obviously had a conversation with them about how he'd be used, with him about whether he was happy going abroad, and for whatever reason its just not worked out. Thats not really on anyone, its just obviously worse a for a kid being on his own in Portugal as opposed to not getting a game at Blackburn and being able to go home and see his mates every day. So makes sense to bring him home. Its not some grand awful statement that the club has fucked up. Its just heaven forbid a loan that didn't really work out.

It's no big deal, just that it was less likely to work out than a loan to a club here, in a year (at 20) where he needs to play. Seemed an odd one at the time.

[El Lobo]

It's no big deal, just that it was less likely to work out than a loan to a club here, in a year (at 20) where he needs to play. Seemed an odd one at the time.

So odd that even you, Fromola, didn't comment on what a disaster it could be? Actually at the time it seemed most thought it was a surprisingly good move to a consistent top flight team in a good European league. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need explaining to you that a loan spell playing regularly in the Portuguese PL is likely to be more beneficial to a youngster than a season in League One. Unfortunately you can't do a trial for a loan really. But again quite why you think we were 'trying to be too clever' lord only knows.

[So… Howard Philips]

So odd that even you, Fromola, didn't comment on what a disaster it could be? Actually at the time it seemed most thought it was a surprisingly good move to a consistent top flight team in a good European league. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need explaining to you that a loan spell playing regularly in the Portuguese PL is likely to be more beneficial to a youngster than a season in League One. Unfortunately you can't do a trial for a loan really. But again quite why you think we were 'trying to be too clever' lord only knows.

Considering Pep Ljinders was a coach at Porto for 8 years it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to think that a loan to a Portuguese team may not be a bad idea.

[El Lobo]

Considering Pep Ljinders was a coach at Porto for 8 years it doesn’t stretch credulity too much to think that a loan to a Portuguese team may not be a bad idea.

Aye, might be something we do more considering it seems to be one of our main areas we look at players at the moment too. Shame this one hasn't worked out but I'm sure it won't put us off.

[Knight]

Elliot is so good that his loan was always going to work out. You'd have to have been mad not to play him. He came back from the loan and was immediately starting games in the PL for us and without many injuries in midfield too boot. When it comes to mere mortals though, yes they're going to be hit and miss.

[Redsnappa]

This is on the BBC today. Must admit I'd not heard of him when he was with us, but nice to see the feller getting on with his life after some hard knocks.

Dahrius Waldron's his name, was in the Academy with Ryan Kent & Harry Wilson.

That's him, 3rd from left in the front row:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62650884

[fredfrop]

Owen Beck has now gone on loan to Bolton. All the best to the lad.

[Ghost Town]

What happened? Falling out? Refusal to play him etc?

He thought it was like living in a foreign country

[Fordy]

Paul Glatzel  has gone back to Tranmere on loan for the season.

[Redsnappa]

Paul Glatzel  has gone back to Tranmere on loan for the season.

Thanks mate. Fingers crossed for an injury-free season for him.

[xbugawugax]

any rumors of morton returning

or does he continue his development at blackburn

our transfers seems haphazard this season and morton as back up might pick up some minutes considering the state of our "robust" midfielders

[terry_macss_perm]

Max Woltman loan move to Doncaster.

[terry_macss_perm]

Fidel O’Rourke loan to Caernarfon Town.

[[new username under construction]]

Napoli U19 v Liverpool U19 1pm Wednesday BT Sport

[dakid]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

[Coolie High]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

Very surprised, wouldn’t be surprised if he had a fall out with the coaching staff or even Ingelthorpe, who by more than one account isn’t a stranger to playing politics at the detriment of some youth players.

[So… Howard Philips]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

See Kaide Gordon is on the list.

Is he back from injury?

[Gerry Attrick]

Very surprised, wouldn’t be surprised if he had a fall out with the coaching staff or even Ingelthorpe, who by more than one account isn’t a stranger to playing politics at the detriment of some youth players.

Don’t think Musialowski will make it here. He’s nowhere near strong enough and fades out of games wat too easily. Shame as he’s got nice technique.

[Wullie160975]

Didn't Woltman go to Doncaster or is it a youth loan that still allows him to play for us?

[El Lobo]

Very surprised, wouldn’t be surprised if he had a fall out with the coaching staff or even Ingelthorpe, who by more than one account isn’t a stranger to playing politics at the detriment of some youth players.

 

Or you know....Musialowski isn't particularly good?

[RyanBabel19]

So a month into the season and Conor Bradley has 6 goal contributions. Bolton fans seem to love him already.

I think he's a class young player and you could see it as soon as he got a chance with us. Reckon the kid could go far

[Boston always unofficial]

Liverpool 40 man squad for the Youth Champions League do not include Musialowski.

https://www.uefa.com/uefayouthleague/clubs/2606417--liverpool//squad/

Injured? went off after an hour against Brighton u-21.Anyway doesn't matter to much about the squad.
 

After the first matchday, the list of 40 players may be amended at any time up until seven days before a match. Any new players must be registered in accordance with the requirements set out in Article 35 and Paragraph 35.02.

from UEFA site.

[anfieldpurch]

Napoli U19 v Liverpool U19 1pm Wednesday BT Sport

Is this being played anywhere that fans already in Naples can watch?

[Boaty McBoatface]

Didn't know where to put this so thought the youth thread will do. Bobby Duncan and his former agent Saif Rubie are arguing over who's to blame for fucking up his Liverpool career. Rubie was on the radio earlier stating he told Duncan to stay with us. Bobby has posted on twitter refuting this saying he had no say in the matter. Now I don't think Duncan is completely blameless in this, but one was a young adult, the other was a fully grown man. It just goes to show that you need the right people around you to succeed in any walk of life and vultures like Rubie need getting shot of.

[disgraced cake]

So many football agents really are vermin

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Didn't know where to put this so thought the youth thread will do. Bobby Duncan and his former agent Saif Rubie are arguing over who's to blame for fucking up his Liverpool career. Rubie was on the radio earlier stating he told Duncan to stay with us. Bobby has posted on twitter refuting this saying he had no say in the matter. Now I don't think Duncan is completely blameless in this, but one was a young adult, the other was a fully grown man. It just goes to show that you need the right people around you to succeed in any walk of life and vultures like Rubie need getting shot of.

Bobby is to blame for Bobby moving,he also has a family member who he can turn to for advice.

[Fromola]

Didn't know where to put this so thought the youth thread will do. Bobby Duncan and his former agent Saif Rubie are arguing over who's to blame for fucking up his Liverpool career. Rubie was on the radio earlier stating he told Duncan to stay with us. Bobby has posted on twitter refuting this saying he had no say in the matter. Now I don't think Duncan is completely blameless in this, but one was a young adult, the other was a fully grown man. It just goes to show that you need the right people around you to succeed in any walk of life and vultures like Rubie need getting shot of.

All very predictable to be honest but the truth is he wasn't good enough anyway. The Fiorentina move was ridiculous, he went there to play in their first team at 18 which was delusional. I don't think he could even get in their reserves. Then he went to Derby who barely had any senior players (which gave loads of chances to young players) and he couldn't get a look in with Rooney unhappy with his attitude.

He must be 21 now and barely has a minute of first team football. If he'd stayed here he'd have got games in 19/20 (Villa and Shrewsbury in the cup for starters).

Similar to Adam Morgan. Local lad scores a few goals for the reserves, gets hyped up and thinks he's the new Robbie Fowler and then struggles to deal with the inevtiable setback.

[Coolie High]

Or you know....Musialowski isn't particularly good?

He’s good enough to be in the u19 CL squad, so it’s either injuries or politics.

[Solomon Grundy]

He’s good enough to be in the u19 CL squad, so it’s either injuries or politics.

In your opinion. Perhaps he isn't in the eyes of the coaches and the academy director though.

[El Lobo]

He’s good enough to be in the u19 CL squad, so it’s either injuries or politics.

He's barely played for us at any level since October last year. It doesn't appear to be some crazy decision, he just doesn't seem to have kicked on at all.

[Chris~]

As far as I'm aware there can only be 5 2003 born player in the youth squad side so some were going to miss out. Davies, Quansah, Woltman, Corness and Blair seem to be the ones picked. Going from being with the first team for a period in the summer to not in this is a bit odd, but with Woltman going he may get added in anyway.

I think he had injury issues which is why he missed a bit of last season as well

[phil236849]

In your opinion. Perhaps he isn't in the eyes of the coaches and the academy director though.

It was stated on the previous page that this list is effectively a list for this tie only.  So there is a risk of getting carried away….

[tubby]

Nice little compilation on Harvey Blair here.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/tvMLoYcDESE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/tvMLoYcDESE</a>

Looks like the kind of player we could promote from the youth team, he's quick, direct and can finish.  Good size too, got what's needed for a Klopp team.

[Coolie High]

In your opinion. Perhaps he isn't in the eyes of the coaches and the academy director though.

Which would be strange has he’s had better performances than most attackers in our youth team in the last two years.

[tubby]

Which would be strange has he’s had better performances than most attackers in our youth team in the last two years.

He's flattered to deceive though.  I really wanted him to be amazing because he's genuinely two-footed and an excellent dribbler.  But his performances have tailed off somewhat, and if you watch him in youth games, there's a real lack of intensity to his game.

[Coolie High]

He's flattered to deceive though.  I really wanted him to be amazing because he's genuinely two-footed and an excellent dribbler.  But his performances have tailed off somewhat, and if you watch him in youth games, there's a real lack of intensity to his game.

He has tailed off but him and Gordon were already the better forwards in the u18s, the likes of Blair and Frauendorf haven’t been much better and Musialowski has shown a higher ceiling potentially....

I think it’s injuries or politics in play like I said, he may not be good enough for our first team but he is certainly good enough to play with his peers and sort of stand out.

[tubby]

He has tailed off but him and Gordon were already the better forwards in the u18s, the likes of Blair and Frauendorf haven’t been much better and Musialowski has shown a higher ceiling potentially....

I think it’s injuries or politics in play like I said, he may not be good enough for our first team but he is certainly good enough to play with his peers and sort of stand out.

I dunno, I'm not convinced, and like I said, I really wanted him to succeed because he looked potentially excellent.  But if the desire and determination isn't there, then you won't get a player out of someone.  His lack of speed and strength doesn't help either.

[El Lobo]

Which would be strange has he’s had better performances than most attackers in our youth team in the last two years.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mateusz-musialowski/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/570469/plus/0?saison=2021&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

He played less than half of our games, scored four goals, was out of contention for pretty much the whole second half of the season. Hopefully its just a normal drop-off for a young player and he comes storming back this season, but it really isn't some crazy decision for him to be left out not even considering the over-age thing.

[disgraced cake]

Nice little compilation on Harvey Blair here.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/tvMLoYcDESE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/tvMLoYcDESE</a>

Looks like the kind of player we could promote from the youth team, he's quick, direct and can finish.  Good size too, got what's needed for a Klopp team.

Wonder if he'll have any involvement in some cup ties this season if we're playing weaker opposition. Was surprised he made his debut at Preston last year despite not having played for the u23s at that stage. Struggled to get into that game but it was a pretty poor game of football.