Henderson is shocking mate. Don't care how young.
It's difficult to reason with someone who starts from such an extreme point of view and doesn't even consider the alternative but I'll respond in due course.
The Hensonson v Lucas situation is totally different.
No, it's similar, see the first line of your post and compare it to your previous feeling about Lucas.
It's funny how you have your favourites all the time.
I don't have 'favourites'. I have a preference of a certain type of players who I think we could benefit from but I don't have 'favourites' in the context of what you mean.
So tell us what you really think - do you think Henderson is good enough for Liverpool? Do you think he ever will be good enough for us? Do you think we paid way too much for him? Do you think he is a shithouse?
Henderson is dirk kuyt without the class or ability. Just runs.
Henderson has the potential to be a player who could fit into a Liverpool side challenging for trophies and titles. At present, he needs to improve as he's sometimes on the periphery of the game - playing on the right doesn't help IMO, I'd prefer him in the centre out of all the options we have, he's one the best CM's we have fit - but he needs to be a bit more aggressive and decisive. I do think he needs similar players around him as he likes to move the ball quickly and then move into an area to receive it but certain players we have don't play in that way and as a result he sometimes looks out of place. Again, playing in CM that way would help him but he doesn't and he can' t play without a DM beside him (not yet anyway). I do think he has a lot of energy which would suit a more aggressive game but all these attributes he has don't necessarily correlate with other members of the team and as result we look disjointed - we have players who play different types of games and it means inconsistency.
He cost a lot, obviously and as of yet, he isn't worth £16m. Maybe he will be, maybe he won't but more important to me is whether he could play for a team at the top. I think he can but he obviously has things he needs to work on. His attitude in that respect seems to be great and I hope he's given the opportunity to improve here.
No offence, I don't like abusing our players but I don't think he is a shithouse and it is disrespectful to him to call him one.
By the way, you still didn't answer my initial question, the one about you thinking he's a Championship player and sign of 'how far we have fallen' (amongst other things).