Topic: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?)

[CraigDS]

The M25 is a massive car park and it causes huge amounts of pollution in the area. That's why it was targeted.

Sounds like we need to make it bigger.

[lobsterboy]

I mean the other option is to just tell the police to leave them to it and see how long it takes before one of them gets themselves killed running across a motorway with moving traffic. Blocking traffic at the top of junctions is one thing, but doing that is just incredibly reckless. Imagine the impact on the driver, their family, and the terrorist's family if they get hit and killed.

Isn't it the same as the suffragettes throwing themselves to their death under horses to force change?

[lobsterboy]

Sounds like we need to make it bigger.

That's no doubt what they will do! Tackle pollution by making more of it, its the western way.

[Red-Soldier]

Sounds like we need to make it bigger.

Yep.  Increasing road coverage has been proven to reduce congestion.

[lobsterboy]

Maybe Clarkson and James Martin can take time out from attacking cyclists and lefties and get down there in their flash cars to run a few over....

[CraigDS]

Isn't it the same as the suffragettes throwing themselves to their death under horses to force change?

I'd not have agreed with that at the time too, despite agreeing with their overall cause (as I do here).

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Yep.  Increasing road coverage has been proven to reduce congestion.

Guessing this is an ironic post.

Exactly the opposite is true.

[lobsterboy]

Protestors straight into jail with unlimited fines.
To rule out future mob rule.
They know what's coming in the next few years and are making sure they can crush anyone who stands up to them.

[Red Beret]

Protestors straight into jail with unlimited fines.
To rule out future mob rule.
They know what's coming in the next few years and are making sure they can crush anyone who stands up to them.

It's why they invented kettling after the poll tax riots in Trafalgar Square.

[CraigDS]

Or, you know, people who run into a live motorway should be treated as they deserve for endangering the public.

It's all well and good saying it's for a good cause, but you can't be doing that.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

Protestors straight into jail with unlimited fines.
To rule out future mob rule.
They know what's coming in the next few years and are making sure they can crush anyone who stands up to them.

Been working towards it for a while now.

Worse than the Thatcher government

[Indomitable_Carp]

In 20 years we´re all going to be fucked anyway so this whole debate is pointless. A blocked motorway is a piss in the ocean of inconveniences that will be brought about by Climate Change.

Whether or not these actions have lost the publics support, the fact is the public is not in support regardless and is well and truly asleep anyway. Alternative methods haven´t worked. It is most likely too late already. This is ultimately an action of desperation. People don´t choose to run into motorways for fun, not even hippies.

The time to act is now, not in 5, 10 or 20 years when the world is well and truly burning and the general public have finally woken up. Whether this protest brings meanginful action any closer is highly doubtful. But lets face it meaningful action was not on its way before this protest, so its not like they have really ruined anything either. Fuck it at least they are trying.

[thejbs]

Been working towards it for a while now.

Worse than the Thatcher government

Thatcher government was at least worried that they'd not get away with going too far. This lot are worse.

[67CherryRed]

No one's looking for the positives in all of this - after the ice melts we'll all be sailing round in our boats, there'll be no need for these smelly cars!

Keep that glass half full 

[lobsterboy]

Melting ice caps is bad but life could survive that.
Runaway greenhouse effect is way, worse. That would turn us into something similar to Venus.

[Red-Soldier]

More terrorists here:

Hundreds of thousands of people in 99 countries have taken part in a coordinated global climate strike demanding urgent action to tackle the ecological crisis.

The strike on Friday, the first worldwide climate action since the coronavirus pandemic hit, is taking place weeks before the Cop26 climate summit in Glasgow, UK.

In Germany, two days before the country’s general election, Greta Thunberg told a crowd of more than 100,000 people that “no political party” was doing enough.

The Swedish activist, whose solo strike in 2018 inspired the global Fridays for Future movement, told cheering supporters they needed to keep up the pressure on Germany’s political leaders past election day.

“Yes, we must vote, you must vote, but remember that voting only will not be enough. We must keep going into the streets,” she said.

Organisers of the global event said there were protests in more than 1,800 towns and cities around the world with large events in Europe, Africa and North and South America.

In Mexico protesters assembled in front of the National Palace in Mexico City to demand that the state oil company Pemex present a plan to decarbonise, while in Bangladesh activists demanded the scrapping of planned new coal and gas power stations.

In South Africa demonstrations took place in 12 cities as part of a three-day strike to demand the government oversees a just transition from fossil fuels. In London protesters gathered outside parliament to hear speakers call on the UK government to do more to meet its climate goals. Large demonstrations were also expected in Canada, Brazil and Argentina.

Earlier this year the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the world’s carbon emissions must fall by half by 2030 to keep global heating below 1.5C above pre-industrial levels, the limit countries agreed to strive for in 2015 in Paris.

But the UN reported on 17 September that current pledges from countries would lead to a 16% rise in the next decade.

There have been some positive moves in recent days, with China saying it will end its financing for highly polluting coal-fired power stations abroad – though not at home – and the US doubling its climate finance to vulnerable nations. This funding helps rich countries move towards delivery of the $100bn (£73bn) a year promised a decade ago, which is seen as critical for the success of Cop26.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/24/people-in-99-countries-take-part-in-global-climate-strike

[CraigDS]

More terrorists here:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/24/people-in-99-countries-take-part-in-global-climate-strike

Nah, don't think any of them went and walked out in front of moving cars on a motorway.

[Mister Flip Flop]

No comment needed

https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c

[CraigDS]

Fucking hell Craig terrorist

"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

1) They're not intimidating anyone, they are trying to inconvenience.
2) Climate change is way more than political

Bad shout there.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism

[CraigDS]

To use that wide ranging definition, "use or threat of action" - so any action, designed to influence any governent organisation. That means pretty much any protest. Or lobbying.

The four bullet points below are just examples, not necessary to apply your definition.

Running out in front of moving cars in the middle of a motorway is 100% endangering life, it's also a creating a health and safety risk to the public. Plus it's being done to influence the Govt.

I'd not say a normal protest is breaching any of those, so no, it's not pretty much any protest.

[CraigDS]

But do you accept that the definition you posted from the CPS runs the risk of defining any action the govt doesn't like as terrorism?

Depends how broad you want to read it. It's not the specific law, which is much more defined, hence the examples.

Either way, we aren't talking about "any action" (or specifically a normal protest), we're talking about people jumping the barriers on the side of an open motorway and running out into moving traffic and sitting down in the way of moving cars. It 100% isn't just "any action" and 100% does endanger the public.

[12C]

Dry ice to help cut train delays caused by leaves on tracks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58783589

Am I wrong or does this involve blasting large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere? Convenient to call it dry ice.
And given there is a shortage of actual industrial CO2, will they actually be able to get their hands on it?

[CraigDS]

Dry ice to help cut train delays caused by leaves on tracks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58783589

Am I wrong or does this involve blasting large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere? Convenient to call it dry ice.
And given there is a shortage of actual industrial CO2, will they actually be able to get their hands on it?

I mean you prob have to off set it against the fact trains will be travelling in a more efficient manner too - as well as providing a better service which might attract more people to use them.

[Elzar]

They are out again, blocking 4 roads going into London. Not sure why they didn’t target the Tory conference that’s currently running?

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1444967088448282625?s=20

[CraigDS]

Paramedics literally begging them to move so they can get their ambulance through and they keep on blocking it.

[CraigDS]

I saw your post Red Solider.

Once again throwing Tory insults around. Maybe contribute rather than insult.

Let’s hope it’s never your mum, your child, your partner or yourself needing an ambulance whilst it’s continually being KNOWINGLY blocked by this lot.

[gazzalfc]

You can see all their tactics on show. They dont resist to being dragged off the road but as soon as they do there is a spare guy to replace him on the road. Then it repeats.

It's clever and infuriating.

If you have enough bystanders to outnumber the protesters then you can easily drag them all off before they can regroup.

Someone is eventually going to do something stupid. Either with a weapon or 'accidentally' hitting their accelerator pedal on their car

[gazzalfc]

Dry ice to help cut train delays caused by leaves on tracks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58783589

Am I wrong or does this involve blasting large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere? Convenient to call it dry ice.
And given there is a shortage of actual industrial CO2, will they actually be able to get their hands on it?

It will be the equivalent of a dry ice show at a concert. The bigger issue is what those extreme temperature does to the tracks. Any micro cracks in the track getting cooled and heated will increase stress and increase chances of track damage

[scatman]

You can see all their tactics on show. They dont resist to being dragged off the road but as soon as they do there is a spare guy to replace him on the road. Then it repeats.

It's clever and infuriating.

If you have enough bystanders to outnumber the protesters then you can easily drag them all off before they can regroup.

Someone is eventually going to do something stupid. Either with a weapon or 'accidentally' hitting their accelerator pedal on their car

well a van driver did, he drove into one of the protestors.

[ianburns252]

well a van driver did, he drove into one of the protestors.

They are annoying, self obsessed, twat bags (generalisation but you know what I mean) - but I hope that guy gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Dangerous and unreasonable to do that no matter how pissed off they may make you

[CraigDS]

well a van driver did, he drove into one of the protestors.

Drove into them on purpose or they sat down in front of his moving van? As if they’re anything like in the video linked above they’re basically throwing themselves to the rod in front of moving cars.

[west_london_red]

Paramedics literally begging them to move so they can get their ambulance through and they keep on blocking it.

The old bill really should just pepper spray the fuckers.

[Jwils21]

Just saw a video of a woman in tears begging the Insulate Britain dickheads to move out of the road. Completely awful way to get a message across, nobody is going to take them seriously and all they’ve done is turn people away from their cause. Absolute failure of a protest, got people talking for the wrong reasons.

[jonnypb]

Paramedics literally begging them to move so they can get their ambulance through and they keep on blocking it.

It’s appalling, if these protesters won’t even move when an ambulance driver is begging them to move so that the ambulance can get through, then it just shows what low life scum these people are. There’s ways and means to protest and to make yourself heard, this isn’t one of them.

The old bill really should just pepper spray the fuckers.

At the minimum….. then leave them lying on the side and say sorry we can’t get you any medical attention because your dick head friends have blocked the road.

[CraigDS]

Wonder where Red Soldier is at the moment with his Tory name calling insults? Few of us you need to call it now it seems.

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

3 hours after it waa detected, oil is leaking out out of the pipeline devasting Huntington Beach and the surriounding areas.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/28/eu-lawmakers-vote-prolong-fossil-fuel-gas-subsidies?fbclid=IwAR1A_RpNObYJziiAXkpvekgZz_V7FCTZvn-Y0J6iN-SoFImMF1iB5dqcqsU

[clinical]

One good thing to come of high energy prices is people are more careful with how much they use and are more efficient with their energy usage. Which in turn reduces CO2 emissions. It was never sustainable to be heating homes to 27C and walking around in t-shirts mid winter.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

One good thing to come of high energy prices is people are more careful with how much they use and are more efficient with their energy usage. Which in turn reduces CO2 emissions. It was never sustainable to be heating homes to 27C and walking around in t-shirts mid winter.

I've often thought that energy is too cheap anyway. For example the average cost of doing a load of washing the UK is around 25 pence, just think of the time and effort needed to hand wash your laundry.