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Re: Modern Art.....please explain.
« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2005, 10:45:57 pm »

You sound like the average piss head Drobs. No, it's not about 'I have all the skill so fuck you.' You're living on cloud cuckoo land! Gerhard Richter is one of THE most seriously respected artists alive today. He is controversial, - but who are you to demand ideas from artists?. Come back to me when you've gone to a Richter exhibition, seen his paintings live, read a little about what he's on about.

Can't believe how one example of an abstract Richter - he's done thousands, can lead you to surmise that this man is shit and undeserving. Just google him for an hour and stop thinking you have a right to comment on things you've obviously got no knowledge on.


It's only all about opinions if you've got an opinion to postulate. Entry to galleries are normally free - when a Richter show comes about - go see it and then come back to me. What do you wnat in a picture anyway.. some kind of answer?.. some kind of resolution to a problem? We have the Bible for that yer know.

 ;D The average piss head is accurate on some terms but lets not stray. Its a long long silly story.

There were parts in that last bit i wrote that weren't particularly well put I'll admit that, i was writing out of pure annoyance, but the foundations are real in that i don't like the pretentiousness of it all. The "I can but i don't want to part" for example, i think was a bad example by myself because we all do it. But some of the stuff, the stuff that annoys me, is the stuff that thinks its better than it is, almost like its being carried on a wave of reputation more than anything.

But I ain't about to fray anyones words on here so don't think for a second i will, but this is something that gets my goose i have to say it. Can i just point out i didn't say "shit" though i don't particularly like it, i said it was pretentious, I'm sure even you could admit that was the case with a lot of stuff...well, we'll see i suppose.

At the end of it all it comes down to this; you think you have the artists eye, i think i have the artists eye. Who's right who's wrong? I guess thats up for debate, but my main motive is what i see, how i perceive that and the conclusion i draw up. Thats the same for everyone who goes in to see an image. 90% of the population wont get it, the ones with the 'artists eye' or that other thing i don't particularly care for, think otherwise - and despite being in the larger minority - believe themselves to be right. They know...

I can only say this mate. Ive studied what i had to study, Ive seen what i had to see and then Ive seen many things along the way from base to highest level. I didn't care for anyone else's opinion along the way, i made my own as i think they distort that in people. What i believe, i believe. No amount of readings, exhibitions, books, lectures or otherwise will change that - and I'm almost tempted to say that should be respected as i think there are far too many people in this world who conform to what is given instead of thinking for themselves.

The bottom line with me is that i like a talent, i like a vision, i like things to say things but i do not like controversy that is half a kick in the arse away from that of a red top sensationalist newspaper looking for publicity.

I don't know how much sense that makes at this hour after 'suppings' but there you go...
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« Reply #81 on: October 14, 2005, 11:21:39 pm »
The bottom line with me is that i like a talent, i like a vision, i like things to say things but i do not like controversy that is half a kick in the arse away from that of a red top sensationalist newspaper looking for publicity.

I don't know how much sense that makes at this hour after 'suppings' but there you go...

one man's controversy is another's satire.

enjoy the challenges art puts up and also admire the aesthetic qualities of other art. Like music, art in painting etc can instil many emotions, enjoy em all mate.
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« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2005, 11:31:32 pm »
Hmmm that said though, there is little controversy or differing opinion about quality music, quality writing etc. Art is up its own arse, and i'm stuck there with it wanting to be pooped out!!
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« Reply #83 on: October 15, 2005, 12:37:46 am »
I think RAWK should send Grifters comments to the Tate Gallery and they should put it on permanent display.

His comments make you think and smile more than the pretentious fucking shite he's commenting on

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« Reply #84 on: October 15, 2005, 08:30:17 am »
Hmmm that said though, there is little controversy or differing opinion about quality music, quality writing etc. Art is up its own arse, and i'm stuck there with it wanting to be pooped out!!

I think there probably is the same sort of difference in both those fields it's just that the way we "consume" them is different.  Books and music we generally buy and download what we like and read/listen to it at home. Whereas art tends to be chosen for us by someone else and placed in galleries and public places whether we like it or not. So there is bound to more controversy. Once I'm voted curator of Britain's music and get to choose what everyone will listen to then I'm sure you'll find it much more controversial.

There will be people out there who insist that the music I listen to is not art but pop and that I should listen to Stockhausen, Glass or Reich. I think that same controversy still exists, who could claim that Cage's 4'33 was not controversial, it's just that the debate doesn't really impinge on us as we continue to listen to our commercial pop records.
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Re: Modern Art.....please explain.
« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2005, 08:49:09 am »
I wouldn't be seen dead exhibiting work by a creative director. No offence. ;)

None taken.

Why, though?
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« Reply #86 on: October 15, 2005, 08:52:48 am »
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« Reply #87 on: October 15, 2005, 10:02:27 am »
Hmmm that said though, there is little controversy or differing opinion about quality music, quality writing etc. Art is up its own arse, and i'm stuck there with it wanting to be pooped out!!

Wooah there!  Sweeping statement of the day I think. This thread could be titled "Modern Music/Modern Literature... please explain" and get exactly the same reactions and arguments.

The arguments on both sides seem to get wrapped up in generalisation. All modern art isn't shit, though some of it is. Banksy has been mentioned on here and he has a new show opening in London. The paintings he is showing are modified works by famous artists and pictures he bought at flea markets. They work on a number of levels but they make you think about the idea of painting. Banksy's modified oil paintings are doing the same as Richter's re-workings of photographs. They make you think and look at familiar things in a new way. Because he started as a grafitti artist he's seen as ok but maybe he's as far up his own arse as any other modern artist. I don't think so but by the criteria set here he's just another self-publicising, money-grabbing, pseudo-intellectual knob.

You decide.

By the way what art do you like?
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Re: Modern Art.....please explain.
« Reply #88 on: October 15, 2005, 10:46:49 am »
Yeah I'm not doing too good at nailing down what i mean on this thread am i!  ;D Ah well.

What do i like? Varied as you like same with my taste in music really. I wouldn't pin my colours to any one particular style, artist etc. I just know the stuff i don't, like "felt suit" by Joseph Beuys for example. Just a suit on a hanger, Ive got one in my cupboard is that art? Nope, just a suit. But because this bloke had a dodgy experience and was wrapped in felt he thinks that depicts that very thing, so now a simple suit is a work of art. I'm sorry but that just doesn't work for me one jot.

As has been said, there's too much emphasis on kicking up a stink in my ever so humble opinion.
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Re: Modern Art.....please explain.
« Reply #89 on: October 15, 2005, 02:22:07 pm »
I'm absolutely chuffed with this thread.

Both sides of the argument (if indeed we can call an exchange of ideas that) have been brilliantly presented some with more gusto than others :)

Anyway .. my tuppence on modern art.

I think alot of art today suffers from being rammed down our throats by people telling us what to think about it.

Art for me has always been an emotive thing, I remember being in the Tate Modern a while ago and there was this massive Xylophone thing hung in the air and chimed when air moved through it.

I don't claim to have the foggiest idea what it actually means, but suck me sideways did it leave an impression on me.

There is plenty of Classical Art that does fuck all for me, I don't ohh and ahh over the so called greats because they simply don't do it for me.

Then there pieces of art that simply strike me in the gob and make me think and for me that is more important than the longetivety of the piece itself.

I too hate the ponytailed elitist art boffins who sneer at a mortal like me when i don't agree with them , but in actual fact you get these wankers in all creative fields.

They are an unfortunate by product but not a sympton of a pretentious creation.

But then again what the fuck do I know :)
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Re: Modern Art.....please explain.
« Reply #90 on: October 15, 2005, 03:10:47 pm »
so much to take in in one go to comment on, but i'll try.... first things first.. it's a real shame that grifter has declined to take up my offer for a show. That baking tin idea shouldn't take long should it? ;) top ranting grifter.

Nidge... I just have a thing with creative directors I guess, is it in advertising you're in? Most CD's are more deluded and up their own butts than most artists I've ever met. And as a director of a small gallery, and soon to be curator of a larger one, I'd be more interested in the lo-fi work and exhibition of a 'non artist' to one who studied it, did something else, then came back for a brief while to 'make some art.'

A few years back for instance, I went to a show by staff at a local graphics design house where they were asked to make some 'art'. It was nothing more than a shallow attempt to advertise their services and I kicked up a fucking stink about it. It was shameful. They even had photos of all the workers on a big exhibition board with pseudonyms under their names.. like:

Joe Smith
'The Fixer'

oh Fix off Joe yer twat.



There are far FAR too many people who claim to be artists who should just stop and do something else.

Enjoyed AlanF's posts on Richter and Banksy - going to see his show next week.. he's got rats running all over the gallery floor  :-\ but saw some images on the news.. the Van Gogh Sunflowers reworking is nothing short of superb.
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« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2005, 08:35:57 pm »
I think its in yesterday's Indy that has a few of Banksy's pics from his exhibition. I like some of them but still think he has chosen easy targets, excuse the title Rob ;) but still, someone had too. he's got 70 rats, from a company providing rats for films n that.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2005, 08:39:34 pm by hinesy »
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« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2005, 08:39:12 pm »
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article319534.ece

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15 October 2005 20:37 Home > News > UK > This Britain
Rats to the arts establishment
The first gallery exhibition of the British graffiti artist Banksy opens in London today - but, as might be expected, it is a strange affair, with doctored old masters and unusual guests. By Louise Jury
Published: 14 October 2005
When he announced his first exhibition of oil paintings, it appeared that the British graffiti artist Banksy was growing up and joining the art establishment.

But just in case anyone thought he had lost his sense of humour or his rebel yell, visitors to his first-ever show in a proper gallery will have to endure 164 other unusual visitors - rats.

The rats, which are stage animals provided by a company that supplies films and theatres, mean that the temporary gallery at 100 Westbourne Grove, west London, is much more smelly than any you will find in Cork Street or Mayfair. "Rats are the triumph of the little people, the undesirables and the unloved," the artist said in a statement yesterday. "They are the ultimate role model. Despite the best efforts of the authorities, they have survived, flourished and brought entire civilisations to their knees."

The paintings, as might have been expected, also have the subversive quality for which Banksy is famed. His previous work includes a hoax rock painting depicting a spear-wielding caveman pushing a supermarket trolley which he planted in the British Museum earlier this year and graffiti on the Israeli separation wall depicting children breaking through.

For his venture into oils, under the title Crude Oils: A Gallery of Re-mixed Masterpieces, Vandalism and Vermin, Banksy takes nearly two-dozen classic works of art and, as the title suggests, re-works them.

Thus all of Van Gogh's famous sunflowers are portrayed dead, the landscape in one of Monet's water lily scenes is littered with shopping trolleys and traffic cones, and Edward Hopper's atmospheric Nighthawks is augmented by an angry man in Union Jack boxer shorts who has just broken the bar window with a chair.

Even the Scottish self-taught artist Jack Vettriano does not escape the Banksy treatment. His famous Singing Butler scene, which has been circulated in thousands of postcards and posters, has a couple of men in hazard suits on the butler's beach, while the artist replaces Marilyn Monroe, as depicted by Andy Warhol, with the model Kate Moss.

A spokeswoman for the artist said this new work began two years ago when Banksy was forced - for an unspecified reason - to spend a bit of time indoors and began vandalising oil paintings. From there he progressed to bringing his graffiti writer's touch to bear on paintings found in London fleamarkets and when the supply ran dry he started painting oils himself.

Despite his background of working mainly on the streets in an art form not yet widely accepted as legitimate, Banksy has no objection to making money from his work. Half of the 22 works had been sold even before the public opening, fetching between £10,000 and £22,000.

The artist is notoriously elusive about the facts of his identity. He has been named as Robert Banks, about 30, with a few arrest warrants to his name. He may - or may not - have grown up in Bristol.

He was willing to offer one piece of information for consideration yesterday. "Fact; wherever you stand in London, you're never more than 10 feet way from someone who knows a boring fact about rats."

Although he publicised last night's traditional private view on his website, he warned potential freeloaders: "The gallery has a very limited capacity and there are only 40 bottles of cheap red wine to go round.

"If you want to seriously look at the paintings, you're advised to come the following day."

His exhibition opens to the public today for 12 days.

When he announced his first exhibition of oil paintings, it appeared that the British graffiti artist Banksy was growing up and joining the art establishment.

But just in case anyone thought he had lost his sense of humour or his rebel yell, visitors to his first-ever show in a proper gallery will have to endure 164 other unusual visitors - rats.

The rats, which are stage animals provided by a company that supplies films and theatres, mean that the temporary gallery at 100 Westbourne Grove, west London, is much more smelly than any you will find in Cork Street or Mayfair. "Rats are the triumph of the little people, the undesirables and the unloved," the artist said in a statement yesterday. "They are the ultimate role model. Despite the best efforts of the authorities, they have survived, flourished and brought entire civilisations to their knees."

The paintings, as might have been expected, also have the subversive quality for which Banksy is famed. His previous work includes a hoax rock painting depicting a spear-wielding caveman pushing a supermarket trolley which he planted in the British Museum earlier this year and graffiti on the Israeli separation wall depicting children breaking through.

For his venture into oils, under the title Crude Oils: A Gallery of Re-mixed Masterpieces, Vandalism and Vermin, Banksy takes nearly two-dozen classic works of art and, as the title suggests, re-works them.

Thus all of Van Gogh's famous sunflowers are portrayed dead, the landscape in one of Monet's water lily scenes is littered with shopping trolleys and traffic cones, and Edward Hopper's atmospheric Nighthawks is augmented by an angry man in Union Jack boxer shorts who has just broken the bar window with a chair.

Even the Scottish self-taught artist Jack Vettriano does not escape the Banksy treatment. His famous Singing Butler scene, which has been circulated in thousands of postcards and posters, has a couple of men in hazard suits on the butler's beach, while the artist replaces Marilyn Monroe, as depicted by Andy Warhol, with the model Kate Moss.
A spokeswoman for the artist said this new work began two years ago when Banksy was forced - for an unspecified reason - to spend a bit of time indoors and began vandalising oil paintings. From there he progressed to bringing his graffiti writer's touch to bear on paintings found in London fleamarkets and when the supply ran dry he started painting oils himself.

Despite his background of working mainly on the streets in an art form not yet widely accepted as legitimate, Banksy has no objection to making money from his work. Half of the 22 works had been sold even before the public opening, fetching between £10,000 and £22,000.

The artist is notoriously elusive about the facts of his identity. He has been named as Robert Banks, about 30, with a few arrest warrants to his name. He may - or may not - have grown up in Bristol.

He was willing to offer one piece of information for consideration yesterday. "Fact; wherever you stand in London, you're never more than 10 feet way from someone who knows a boring fact about rats."

Although he publicised last night's traditional private view on his website, he warned potential freeloaders: "The gallery has a very limited capacity and there are only 40 bottles of cheap red wine to go round.

"If you want to seriously look at the paintings, you're advised to come the following day."

His exhibition opens to the public today for 12 days


There was pictures in the Arts review section, even taking the piss out of a Vettoranio painting which I smiled at, but not the website there alas.
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« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2005, 01:31:55 pm »
Quote from Banksy's website:
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The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Any fame is a by-product of making something that means something. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a shit.

Fair comment I think.

Also read the manifesto page:

http://www.banksy.co.uk/manifesto/index.html

Whatever way you describe it, his work is highly political and thought-provoking.
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« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2005, 01:37:20 pm »
Quote from Banksy's website:


Whatever way you describe it, his work is highly political and thought-provoking.

i wouldn't say it was highlypolitical though some bloke once said all art was politics. And how thought provoking ? most of it is witty, well placed at best and a neat idea at worst.
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« Reply #95 on: October 19, 2005, 09:46:13 am »
Filler mate.  Are you going to go to Banksy's exhibition or have you already been?  I'd like to go but I don't want to go on my own (not the rats - I quite like rats) its just that I'd like to go with someone who could explain his work, that's all.  I'd never heard of him before this thread.
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« Reply #96 on: October 19, 2005, 01:47:06 pm »
Quote from Banksy's website:

Any fame is a by-product of making something that means something.


a noble sentiment, despite all the reality telly and general celebrity cultural evidence to the contrary...
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« Reply #97 on: October 19, 2005, 06:32:34 pm »
a noble sentiment, despite all the reality telly and general celebrity cultural evidence to the contrary...

There's a difference between fame and celebrity....  I don't think Rebecca Loos wanking off a pig will still be big news in 50 years time.
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« Reply #98 on: October 19, 2005, 07:25:09 pm »
Hi, im in london next week to watch the palace game and i have a couple of hours to spare.

would anyone recommend the tate modern to me?

i like andy warhol kinda stuff but apart from that i havent got a fucking clue about art. i went to the modern contempory gallery (if thats what its called) in nice and thought that some of it was ok but some of it was utter bollocks. so should i spend a couple of hours in the Tate Modern?
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« Reply #99 on: October 19, 2005, 07:49:23 pm »
Hi, im in london next week to watch the palace game and i have a couple of hours to spare.

would anyone recommend the tate modern to me?

i like andy warhol kinda stuff but apart from that i havent got a fucking clue about art. i went to the modern contempory gallery (if thats what its called) in nice and thought that some of it was ok but some of it was utter bollocks. so should i spend a couple of hours in the Tate Modern?

The Tate Modern's a great gallery and has some fantastic modern art and is a fantastic building. Have a look at the website and see if it floats your boat. There's a bar at the top with views across the river looking back to St Pauls and the Millennium Bridge.

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/

Or go to the National Gallery, it's got some of the best paintings in Britain. It doesn't have new artists but contains "modern" works by Van Gogh, Monet, Seurat etc.

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/collection/glance.htm

or try Tate Britain on Millbank it has British Art up to the present day including the Turner Prize and a brilliant exhibition about Degas, Sickert & Monet. It also has the Turner Prize which normally winds people up.

http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/

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« Reply #100 on: October 19, 2005, 08:51:47 pm »
There's a difference between fame and celebrity....  I don't think Rebecca Loos wanking off a pig will still be big news in 50 years time.

one decidedly hopes this is the case, even though i believe the terms "fame" and "celebrity" are in fact synonymous.

not met many celebrities who are not famous, although it is possible to be famous and not a celebrity.

the point was that the original comment was that "any" fame was the by-product of something that means something.

Ms. Loos became more famous by doing something that frankly meant very little, except perhaps to the grateful pig... :D
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« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2005, 05:02:49 pm »
one decidedly hopes this is the case, even though i believe the terms "fame" and "celebrity" are in fact synonymous.

not met many celebrities who are not famous, although it is possible to be famous and not a celebrity.

the point was that the original comment was that "any" fame was the by-product of something that means something.

Ms. Loos became more famous by doing something that frankly meant very little, except perhaps to the grateful pig... :D

To fans of pig-wanking Rebecca Loos will be famous for a long time but the rest of us will forget her soon enough. Unfortunately for Ms Loos and many like her I think her 'celebrity/fame' will fade with the passing years. Kelly Brook, Abi Titmuss etc are celebrities because they tickle a certain something in certain kinds of people.

There are numerous examples of artists/writers/composers who were famous in their day but were forgotten soon after their deaths, and there are many who had no fame during their lifetime and whose fame and reputation grew later. I think there are a lot of current artists who might be considered 'celebrity artists' who are controversial and famous today but whose work will soon be forgotten (though I like what he does - Banksy might be one of them.

I think good work that means something (has an idea and belief behind it) is more likely to last than some empty gesture which will soon be forgotten.

If you look at the full quote it relates to a change in attitude towards fame and celebrity and I don't think it should be read as a universal statement:

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Re: Modern Art.....please explain.
« Reply #102 on: October 20, 2005, 06:59:47 pm »

I think good work that means something (has an idea and belief behind it) is more likely to last than some empty gesture which will soon be forgotten.


agreed...

wholeheartedly.

disagree about the nature of the full quote, but there you go.
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« Reply #103 on: October 20, 2005, 10:57:11 pm »
There are numerous examples of artists/writers/composers who were famous in their day but were forgotten soon after their deaths, and there are many who had no fame during their lifetime and whose fame and reputation grew later. I think there are a lot of current artists who might be considered 'celebrity artists' who are controversial and famous today but whose work will soon be forgotten (though I like what he does - Banksy might be one of them.

I'd agree with all of that. Truly great art is timeless, Banksy's work, for all that I love it is firmly rooted in the here and now. Take this:



An image that, to me, eloquently addresses the current tabloid hysteria over youth crime and hoodies. It's worth well over a thousand words. Yet it will probably be meaningless to future generations.
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« Reply #104 on: October 22, 2005, 12:16:36 pm »
Filler mate.  Are you going to go to Banksy's exhibition or have you already been? 

I went to it yesterday. I took some pics but can't upload them up on here at the mo. First things first: Lots of people hanging around outside, obviously stopping when they see a rat scuttling across the floor and going 'Wha!?' It's a small gallery, maybe 20 square metres? with a pit in the middle which fences off the main space. A girl sits at a small table inside this little pit, with postcards on her small desk handing out disclaimers which you have to sign if you want to 'go in'. You can see most of the show from the pit but 'going in' had to be done. But the first thing which strikes you, almost knocks you out is just the the stench of rat piss and crap. 200 rats have been eating and shitting in there for nigh on 14 days and it really smells it. A man dressed in overalls spends all day clearing it up. The girl sitting at the desk has a scented candle under her nose. I hope they'll be well paid.

But it was worth it, some great pieces - I loved the large (4x2m?) Hopper re-working that took up most of the back wall on this famous piece:



Banksy painted in a fat, angry hoolie outside the cafe dressed only in Union Jack undies with two upturned plastic seats strewn about him, and a hole in the window.

He can paint competently tho can Banksy. He's no master with the brush or whatever, or rather master 'faker', but does just enough to make them succesful, and that's always been the key. Well worth a visit, tho it finishes on Monday I think.



At Tate Modern there's an exhibition of Jeff Wall's work. Not many artists who use cameras out there can hold a candle to him.




I've been trying to give grifter a decent answer to the explanation of modern art for days now. Writing down pages and pages of thoughts in biro but it was no use... so instead.. I'll give you this quote from Robert Louis Stevenson:

'That a man should publish three or thirty articles a year, that he should finish or not finish his great allegorical picture, are questions of little interest to the world.'

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« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2005, 12:42:10 am »
If it makes you think, it must be philosophy.

If it makes you feel, it's art.

You can feel "good" art.

"Bad" art needs an explanation.

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« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2005, 03:54:26 pm »

No, I'm pretty sure I could  ;) . Tell you what tho - and I'm VERY VERY serious about this, go to B&Q and buy 10 or so blank canvases (10 quid each, 60x70 cm) and do me some paintings. I'll exhibit them.


Ready. :wave

I think they're somewhat reminiscent of Andres Serrano's blood and semen series. (in fact while we're here - he's a weird bastard isn't he? Certainly an interesting addition to the "what is art?" debate


Without the spunk and self mutilation, obviously. :D
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« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2005, 04:07:32 pm »
You missed a bit.

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« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2005, 04:07:49 pm »

Nidge... I just have a thing with creative directors I guess, is it in advertising you're in? Most CD's are more deluded and up their own butts than most artists I've ever met. And as a director of a small gallery, and soon to be curator of a larger one, I'd be more interested in the lo-fi work and exhibition of a 'non artist' to one who studied it, did something else, then came back for a brief while to 'make some art.'


Not me mate - not up my own arse at all - I realise the complete ridiclousness of design in a poncy sense.

It's why I advised a design student on here recently to do a thesis called "It's there because it looks good"

I can't stand all this pretentious shite that designers use to pass tat off on to clients.
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« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2005, 04:08:10 pm »
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« Reply #110 on: October 28, 2005, 10:51:20 am »
Some pics of the recent Banksy show:

To start you off, a security guard looking a little worse for wear, the man in the white overalls spends his time clearing up all the piss and shit. God bless 'im. In the top left corner is a 'Monet' with shopping trollies dumped in the lake.




2) One of a few pieces of Banksy's where he's bought a crappy trad landscape painting for his abuse:



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5. I loved these two together. Low art meets high art meets low art, and back to high art.






6. A close up of the largest painting in the show. 'That would look good in our sitting room', I thought to myself.






7. You see the huddle of rats lying on top of eachother in the corner? It's odd, but none of these pics I took managed to portray just how many vermin there were. And of course, you'll never register the smell. Did anyone else go to the show?






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10. The real heroes of the show:






11. Compare this pic with the promotional pic one at the top of this page:






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« Reply #111 on: October 28, 2005, 10:55:21 am »
LOVE that stuff filler.

Great humour in the paintings.
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« Reply #112 on: January 4, 2006, 11:43:38 am »

Gotta love Banksy. Thanks for the image Nige, it's now my avatar!

Have a look here:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=18363.0

But is it art? ;)

did anyone get the banksy book? wall and piece some really outstanding stuff
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« Reply #113 on: January 5, 2006, 10:07:22 am »
did anyone get the banksy book? wall and piece some really outstanding stuff

I've got it Steve. It's a bit of a rehash of the first three pamphlets and images and text taken from the website. Although the website updates regularly, so some of the stuff in the book is no longer online.

I'm in London next week, I'm sure that I could find a 'Banksy' tour to do if I was inclined. :P

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« Reply #114 on: January 5, 2006, 10:09:53 am »
I've got it Steve. It's a bit of a rehash of the first three pamphlets and images and text taken from the website. Although the website updates regularly, so some of the stuff in the book is no longer online.

I'm in London next week, I'm sure that I could find a 'Banksy' tour to do if I was inclined. :P

as ever i am a bit late to the party !
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« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2006, 05:48:37 pm »
A few pieces by Bob & Roberta Smith:



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« Reply #116 on: July 30, 2006, 10:04:29 pm »
Alright Filler  :wave

I,ve commisioned my first work of Modern Art.

Just emerged from my studio after toiling for 6 months on this piece, as you can see it it represents my angst against the chinlesss capatalists ner do gooders who pollute our minds whilst draining and sapping my free spirit, but they wont win.

The piece is entitled " Boston Batwanger "  although this is a term used to describe a person with a minge, cock and tits or in laymans terms  "ladyboy"  I feel it encapulates what I,m trying to percieve through my work. I,ve purchased a hat like the singer from Mike and the Mechanics wears to give me inspiration along with a linen suit, ala Dustin Gee and haven,t had a scrape for 3 months. Through my little John Lennon glasses I deliver to you this work.  Ohh and I wear espadrils now without any socks, who got me ready for breakfast I hear you say. I could deffo be on faking it if Channel 4 are looking.
I wouldn't look out of place standing next to that hair lipped, cleft palleted, big titted twat Tracy Emin or whatever her fuckin name is. I could talk shite in a gallery all day while creaming me kicks over a piece of 4 x 2 nailed to a dead llama's arse.

Philistine's may look at this work and comment it is an ashtray, and a few dockers.

Ha ha ha, they are fools who should open their minds and close their mouths. I guffaw at them as I draw on a Gitane cigarette and sip a glass of merlot,  fools ha ha.

The piece is on display on me table at present and I,m open to offers circa £12,000.00

Let me know your thoughts  :wave  I thank you all.
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« Reply #117 on: July 30, 2006, 11:06:22 pm »
been done mate... Damien Hirst used to flog these in Tracey Emins and Sarah Lucas's shop years back for 50 quid. They go for something silly now. Don't shit in a can either, that's been done too way back.. a million quid type way back.

BUT... I am thrilled that you are taking on this potential solo exhibition with some seriousness now. I'd like to see about 20 more pieces of yours and we can work out the best ones. This one has potential. Make sure you put it safely away in a box somewhere and mark it with the title. Buyers like packaging. If we could combine the opening with a Numptytown v Liverpool match in a cup tie so much the better ;)

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« Reply #118 on: October 27, 2006, 09:41:34 pm »
Some paintings by one of America's greatest painters, Robert Ryman:



Ledger   1982

Enamelac paint on fibreglass, aluminium and wood
support: 763 x 711 x 36 mm
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Untitled, c. 1965-66 Winsor White oil paint on stretched sized linen
75 3/8 x 75 1/2 x 3 1/4 inches 191.5 x 191.8 x 8.25 cm


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Series # 32
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« Reply #119 on: October 27, 2006, 09:43:22 pm »
The Callum Innes Exhibition in Edinburgh was excellent. Just in case you want to know.
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