Topic: a question for one of the mods

[classycarra]

Liar.

nah, i'm being sincere. you seem to be lying to yourself to be honest mate

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=355081.msg19521725#msg19521725
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=355081.msg19521784#msg19521784
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=355081.msg19521784#msg19521784

[WhereAngelsPlay]

nah, i'm being sincere. you seem to be lying to yourself to be honest mate

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=355081.msg19521725#msg19521725
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=355081.msg19521784#msg19521784
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=355081.msg19521784#msg19521784

Replying to posters lad, actual posts with facts.

And you even highlighted the lie.

you've even taken part in conversations about doing that before. not sure why you're projecting that on others

[classycarra]

Replying to posters lad, actual posts with facts.

And you even highlighted the lie.

honestly no idea what youre even trying to say!

by my definition, replying to posts counts as 'taking part in conversations' so you seem to be agreeing with my point, even though you're arguing something unknown

[SamLad]

What's the consensus about just having it as a news thread ?

I'd vote no.
this is a footie site - if ppl want to see / debate non-footie stuff that may well be very controversial, there's a LOT of other options.

[SamLad]

forgot to say:  if any of the mods wanted to take on the job of monitoring a news-only thread I guess that's up to them.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

honestly no idea what youre even trying to say!

by my definition, replying to posts counts as 'taking part in conversations' so you seem to be agreeing with my point, even though you're arguing something unknown

It is the "Took part in conversations about doing that before" which I read as you saying that I actually had conversations about getting a thread shut down.

We'll leave it at that.

[SP]

What's the consensus about just having it as a news thread ?

Staff room sweepstake on how many hours it lasts. Pity the poor sucker that gets longer than a day.

[Mumm-Ra]

I know there is no appetite for discussion around the genocide and I understand that since I wouldn't want to mod it either. It has to be done on some moral level though? Even just a news thread.

How can we pretend this isn't happening? I know it's a football forum but it is a Liverpool football forum.

Sounds like you're ready for a reasoned discussion

Case in point as to why there can't be a thread

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Staff room sweepstake on how many hours it lasts. Pity the poor sucker that gets longer than a day.

 

[At the Xmas works do asking someone to give them one]

What's the consensus about just having it as a news thread ?

What would be the point in that?

You can go on any media website, from anywhere is the world and fill yer boots.

Why bring it here?

[ToneLa]

why was the technology > Macbook thread closed

too big?
or do you all hate Apple

[MBL?]

Sounds like you're ready for a reasoned discussion

Case in point as to why there can't be a thread

It's just stating a fact. I'm amazed there are so many that have a problem using accurate terminology for what is going on.

It doesn't sit right with me that rawk like most of the media is pretending this isn't happening. I always believed rawk was better than that. Anyway, doesn't look as if it's going to happen. Thought it was worth asking either way.

[SP]

why was the technology > Macbook thread closed

too big?
or do you all hate Apple

My fat fingers on an iPad. Oops. Got a 32Gb M3 MBP for work. Can just about pretend it's Linux, although it really needs Bash 4. It's command line tools are irritatingly outdated.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

It's just stating a fact. I'm amazed there are so many that have a problem using accurate terminology for what is going on.

It doesn't sit right with me that rawk like most of the media is pretending this isn't happening. I always believed rawk was better than that. Anyway, doesn't look as if it's going to happen. Thought it was worth asking either way.

The one single thing that pisses me off the most with you lot is this charge that RAWK is "pretending this isn't happening" or "ignoring it". The statement from the mods is unequivocally clear that the issues at hand are neither being ignored nor dismissed. It's just that the moderation team has – quite correctly in the face of all the evidence before and after – deemed us collectively incapable of managing an adult and respectful conversation about it. That's it. That's all there is to it. And the ones responsible for that? They know exactly who they are and are free to vent their spleens on other forums or platforms and pollute that space as much as they like.

The matter is clear – RAWK Towers abhors the situation and clearly wishes it wasn't happening.

Give it a fucking rest, everyone, eh?

[DangerScouse]

Sounds like you're ready for a reasoned discussion

Case in point as to why there can't be a thread

I'd argue its like of yourself but can understand that it would be a nightmare to moderate given some can't even acknowledge what is going on.

[Rhingle Bells]

Surely to anyone with half a brain, the fact that there can't even be a discussion about having a discussion that doesn't turn into a one-side vs the-other-side thing, is about all the proof you need that this is an impossible thing to have on the site. As mods, we do revisit the decision of not having a thread / discussion on this sometimes. We discuss it, and then we see things like what happened in the Russia thread and the bollocks in here accusing us of all sorts of nonsense and the "well *you* would say that" type shit and we decide it's just not a thing we're willing to take on.

We are well aware that some posters don't agree with our stance. We appreciate that most posters do understand it.

If you care so much about discussing this, go and find a place on the internet that allows it. Or better still, go and do something practical like volunteer with an organsiation that's trying to help, because trying to stir up shit on here because you think it's important to discuss it is less than useless. Please stop.

[classycarra]

The one single thing that pisses me off the most with you lot is this charge that RAWK is "pretending this isn't happening" or "ignoring it". The statement from the mods is unequivocally clear that the issues at hand are neither being ignored nor dismissed. It's just that the moderation team has – quite correctly in the face of all the evidence before and after – deemed us collectively incapable of managing an adult and respectful conversation about it. That's it. That's all there is to it. And the ones responsible for that? They know exactly who they are and are free to vent their spleens on other forums or platforms and pollute that space as much as they like.

The matter is clear – RAWK Towers abhors the situation and clearly wishes it wasn't happening.

Give it a fucking rest, everyone, eh?

i've never understood it - this whole 'pretending it's not happening' or 'i'm not satisfied that RAWK (as a monolith - as if it's a person) doesn't phrase things exactly the way I want and need it to' or 'it's not a good look on RAWK' thing.

these days it's become so common for people to have this whole parasocial relationship to the websites they visit, the tv/films they watch etc that would be fascinating if it wasn't so concerning.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

Please stop.

Applause.

[Once in Royal Craigy DS]

Is it time to move the Klopp thread into the Former Players (and managers) section now he's taking up a new role?

[Rhingle Bells]

Yeah, possibly. But I'll let this news cycle run before moving it I think, given it's a relatively big story.

[courty61]

Why was the Harris -Trump thread closed?

[Ernie Clicker]

Why was the Harris -Trump thread closed?

My fault mate, its open now.

[Santas crapped on me loo la]

That Klopp thread is just nuts! Glad but also sad it's been locked

[Sprouts of Spion]

That Klopp thread is just nuts! Glad but also sad it's been locked

Very sad that the thread for one of the greatest managers we've ever had has had to be locked. 

[SamLad]

way too many people can't wait to get on their moral high horse and start lecturing every one else about the correct way to live, behave, and think.  it's amazing how many saints walk among us.

[Hark the Howard Angels Sing]

way too many people can't wait to get on their moral high horse and start lecturing every one else about the correct way to live, behave, and think.  it's amazing how many saints walk among us.

What would they have done when they found out that the recently retired Shankly was training with Everton?

[JP!]

way too many people can't wait to get on their moral high horse and start lecturing every one else about the correct way to live, behave, and think.  it's amazing how many saints walk among us.

Let's not kid ourselves, it's not people is it

[Hazell]

Let's not kid ourselves, it's not people is it

For me, I don't know who you're talking about.

[Never liked a girl well enough to give her 12 sharp knives]

Dickheads are taking over the asylum

[The holly and the jillc]

Can we add the Jarell Quansah thread to this as well? You can tell there is no club football on at the moment. 

[Hazell]

Can we add the Jarell Quansah thread to this as well? You can tell there is no club football on at the moment. 

that thread

[alonsoisared]

Can we add the Jarell Quansah thread to this as well? You can tell there is no club football on at the moment. 

that thread

where are people on their moral high horse? Do you not think it's worth advising one of the clubs employees to not pursue romantic relationships with minors? Absolutely nobody in that thread is accusing him of anything, asking for him to be punished , wanting him sold etc. What exactly is the problem?

Separately, the bizarre thing here is how many of the same people who are arguing now that we shouldn't police behaviours and beliefs of former players and coaches have previously been totally fine with slandering club legends like Gerrard, Carragher and Henderson for their moves post-Liverpool.

[The holly and the jillc]

where are people on their moral high horse? Do you not think it's worth advising one of the clubs employees to not pursue romantic relationships with minors? Absolutely nobody in that thread is accusing him of anything, asking for him to be punished , wanting him sold etc. What exactly is the problem?

Separately, the bizarre thing here is how many of the same people who are arguing now that we shouldn't police behaviours and beliefs of former players and coaches have previously been totally fine with slandering club legends like Gerrard, Carragher and Henderson for their moves post-Liverpool.

The thread is about a footballer and his career not a running line of people insinuating things, it's the worst type of social media behaviour. People tying themselves in absolute knots over something which is nothing to do with them anyway.

[kakskümmend neli seitse shagging kõik jõulunädal]

Dickheads are taking over the asylum

This should be in a news thread. Oh wait...

[Hazell]

where are people on their moral high horse? Do you not think it's worth advising one of the clubs employees to not pursue romantic relationships with minors? Absolutely nobody in that thread is accusing him of anything, asking for him to be punished , wanting him sold etc. What exactly is the problem?

Separately, the bizarre thing here is how many of the same people who are arguing now that we shouldn't police behaviours and beliefs of former players and coaches have previously been totally fine with slandering club legends like Gerrard, Carragher and Henderson for their moves post-Liverpool.

The thread is about a footballer and his career not a running line of people insinuating things, it's the worst type of social media behaviour. People tying themselves in absolute knots over something which is nothing to do with them anyway.

Not a mod but I think that thread should be locked, people who don't have all the information making up worst case scenarios rather than holding fire to see what has actually happened - if indeed anything has.

[The holly and the jillc]

Not a mod but I think that thread should be locked, people who don't have all the information making up worst case scenarios rather than holding fire to see what has actually happened - if indeed anything has.

Or people just stick to discussing his football achievements, which is what the thread is there for.

[Hazell]

Or people just stick to discussing his football achievements, which is what the thread is there for.

That would be another option

[alonsoisared]

Or people just stick to discussing his football achievements, which is what the thread is there for.

I don't think it's ever been the case that the players threads are only for discussion of football achievements- it's natural you talk about off field stuff too especially when things are in the news.

Nobody was insinuating anything. Purely that he needs to be careful and the club should probably have a word, for his own sake. I only put that view forward as a reaction to the sheer number of people who were writing it off as absolutely nothing, which I find really odd. Nobody was crucifying the lad or even suggesting what he did was morally wrong.

It's the typical RAWK thing lately of people getting upset about opinions that don't even exist in the thread. "I can't believe people are saying..." and then you look at the thread and literally nobody is saying it. Then you look in here and the fallout thread and everyone's still moaning about things that haven't happened. When people don't like opinions they feel they need to shout about it in as many places as people until its shut down.

[Santa couldn't find his reindeer]

Or people just stick to discussing his football achievements, which is what the thread is there for.
[/quote I don't think it's ever been the case that the players threads are only for discussion of football achievements- it's natural you talk about off field stuff too especially when things are in the news.

Nobody was insinuating anything. Purely that he needs to be careful and the club should probably have a word, for his own sake. I only put that view forward as a reaction to the sheer number of people who were writing it off as absolutely nothing, which I find really odd. Nobody was crucifying the lad or even suggesting what he did was morally wrong.

It's the typical RAWK thing lately of people getting upset about opinions that don't even exist in the thread. "I can't believe people are saying..." and then you look at the thread and literally nobody is saying it. Then you look in here and the fallout thread and everyone's still moaning about things that haven't happened. When people don't like opinions they feel they need to shout about it in as many places as people until its shut down.

Good post AIAR

[Santa couldn't find his reindeer]

The context, not the formatting