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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *

« Last post by JackWard33 on Today at 11:46:39 am »

The nuance is he's also contributed zilch in 2024, as we went from chasing all trophies to falling off a cliff. Not all his fault of course, but he's been an enormous disappointment. Acting the dick yesterday comes in the context of that. The combination of things is what has some of "us people" being happy with the idea of him leaving.

What do you want to see happen?

Me - nothing. I don't want to see anything happen but I wasn't banging out posts on this all last night then carrying on at 8 in the morning today so I'm trying to understand where you and others are coming from because a lot of us don't get it. 

So is acting the dick is or isn't the reason you want him to leave?

I just want to be clear before having the argument because there are posts in this thread that seem to state that his behavior yesterday should see him kicked out the club?
It's not clear to me - because I don't share the opinion - if he'd scored 6 goals in his last 5 games but still 'acted the dick' if people would still want him kicked out the club?

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Darwin Núñez (Darwin Gabriel Núñez Ribeiro)

« Last post by Yorkykopite on Today at 11:46:24 am »

The point is that Nunez has far more to his game. Jota is portrayed as a master finisher. Darwin is portrayed as someone who can't hit a barn door.

Remarkably Jota is at 183 minutes per goal in the Premier League. Nunez is at 184.7 minutes per goal in the Premier League.

Jota is at 613.82 minutes per assist in the Premier League. Nunez is at 335.82 minutes per assist in the Premier League.

Maybe. (I'm a Jota man myself).

But I am more interested in the way you use the same statistics to argue diametrically opposite points on different days. I've long admired your ability to do this and was just tickled you were doing it just now. 

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation

« Last post by Robinred on Today at 11:43:30 am »

Think it was this thread (jumping about a lot) that spoke of Ferguson, Wenger and Klopp and the power they wielded by the end of their time at their respective clubs. But they didn’t start off with that much control. That came about by the success they gave and gradually took on more and more responsibility. When Ferguson and Wenger left (different circumstances as Wenger had already dropped off a bit) you could tell it would be difficult to replace such strong personalities and a drop off felt inevitable.

From the outside, people will be expecting ring the same thing with us once Klopp leaves. As said above, I think changing the structure does probably take some pressure of Slot, while also making him more replaceable if things don’t go well.

If everything goes as well as Edwards and co hope then we have an impressive young coach, a decent squad with room for improvement and can probably hold our own on the mind of level we’re at now. Obviously there’s potential for things to drop off a level too. Everything is a bit uncertain.

The only club who are geared to chopping and changing manager/head coach and not having a drop off have been Chelsea. Although their last few years have been fairly barren. But they could previously change a coach and not seemingly have a proof of rebuilding. For the clubs who have had an all powerful manager it’s not been that easy. It’s a double edged sword. When they’re that successful, why wouldn’t you give them more control. But that just seems to make the drop when they leave more daunting.

That’s a lot of waffle really to say, let’s see what happens. I think I’m generally quite pragmatic. While I always hope for the best I think it’s fair to say Klopp had us over achieving and a failure to keep doing so shouldn’t really pinned on any new manager unless he’s a twat like Hodgson. But at the same time a new man, new ideas, hopefully backed with some new signings, that all feels potentially exciting too.

That’s a very thoughtful and astute post Nick, and I concur. I too am pragmatic about the future, recognising like you that Klopp’s over-achievement was something to cherish given the huge advantages City in particular had (how many left backs was Pep able to buy over a 7 year period?).

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Darwin Núñez (Darwin Gabriel Núñez Ribeiro)

« Last post by Eeyore on Today at 11:43:23 am »

Maybe. But this guy made a very good point the other day......

The point is that Nunez has far more to his game. Jota is portrayed as a master finisher. Darwin is portrayed as someone who can't hit a barn door.

Remarkably Jota is at 183 minutes per goal in the Premier League. Nunez is at 184.7 minutes per goal in the Premier League.

Jota is at 613.82 minutes per assist in the Premier League. Nunez is at 335.82 minutes per assist in the Premier League.

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General Football and Sport / Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - 2023 (FSG posts = get muted) - No Mbappé

« Last post by Barefoot Doctor on Today at 11:43:15 am »

Isn't this a pretty normal set up at many clubs, just not used a lot here?

Could be wrong but i'm pretty sure loads of clubs in other countries use this model and the coach still does all the usual press and interviews.

They do but on the continent it’s pretty common for the sporting directors to talk to the media. Head coach should obviously be the ones doing the press conferences and main interviews around the match but would be good for Hughes to be more visible.

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!

« Last post by Andy @ Allerton! on Today at 11:43:02 am »

That's fine. But as I say it weakens your credibility when you make sweeping statements without looking at the evidence.

I'm talking about the match report as you well know and I'm talking about the Manchester Guardians match report as you well know.

And if you've ever read a single post of mine on here, you'd know (And do know) that I jibbted MOTD years ago. It's a load of shite. Has been for more than a decade.

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!

« Last post by rossipersempre on Today at 11:42:43 am »

That's fine. But as I say it weakens your credibility when you make sweeping statements without looking at the evidence.

Bit of an assumption there in the first place.

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *

« Last post by MonsLibpool on Today at 11:42:35 am »

The nuance is he's also contributed zilch in 2024, as we went from chasing all trophies to falling off a cliff. Not all his fault of course, but he's been an enormous disappointment. Acting the dick yesterday comes in the context of that. The combination of things is what has some of "us people" being happy with him leaving.

What do you want to see happen?

It's very simple.

If a "lesser" player did that, would the reaction be the same?

Maybe Mo should start picking the 11.

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General Football and Sport / Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD

« Last post by Vinay on Today at 11:42:07 am »

Paying the release clause for Gyokeres would be horrible business.

Busy, tidy, strong striker who’s a really nice instinctive finisher. He’s not in the same league as an Osimhen or even Jonathan David at Lille; players who will command similar or higher fees. He’s someone a West Ham or Aston Villa might hang their hat on as a marquee signing, but for me isn’t quite good enough to be the main man at Arsenal.

Arsenal just need to go and try to get Osimhen or Watkins.

Yes, I agree with you, except on the David bit. I am not sure David is going to be elite (however, I am aware you know about these guys better than I do).

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: The corruption fallacy - they’re all out to get us!

« Last post by Yorkykopite on Today at 11:41:23 am »

I don't watch fucking Match of the Day and fucking haven't for fucking years. It's a c*nts programme for c*nts.

I'm talking about their report on the match.

That's fine. But as I say it weakens your credibility when you make sweeping statements without looking at the evidence.