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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #320 on: January 13, 2022, 10:02:27 pm »
Of course it will.

We have a thread bare squad and no midfield.

Lets not go over the top. It wont be easy to win there but we really should go through, we are better than them.

We do have a midfield. 2 of our first choice 11 started today.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #321 on: January 13, 2022, 10:02:42 pm »
Hes either really fucking good or really fucking shit. Literally no inbetween with him.  ;D

He was electric in his first few games for us playing from the left. While he's been scoring plenty from the middle, his overall gameplay just isn't the same as it was when he was playing on the left. Not his fault he's been shoved into the right to accommodate Taki. Would rather have had him on the left and Taki/Gordon/Neco on the right.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #322 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:02 pm »
Maybe. Problem is I cant really see much of a long term role here for him or Milner and Id rather have just got Curtis on in central midfield and Gordon out wide.

Oh, I agree. I don't see a long term future here for Ox as well. I thought that with Thiago now injured, Curtis's minutes have to be managed as he's crucial now, at least until Keita and/or Thiago are back. So, starting Ox over Milner today in theory was a decent option that we didn't take.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #323 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:10 pm »
Either Klopp really thinks he was the best option or a statement to FSG that our squad isn't good enough.

Not having that. Klopp isn't a vindictive twat like Mourinho or Conte and there's no way he'd engage in self-sabotage just to prove a point.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #324 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:31 pm »
We played shite in the first leg of a two leg semi. Ah well. It’s fair to say life could be worse.

Best stay out of the thread.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #325 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:35 pm »
Lets not go over the top. It wont be easy to win there but we really should go through, we are better than them.

We do have a midfield. 2 of our first choice 11 started today.

Our first choice midfield at the start of the season was Fabinho Thiago Elliott just saying.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #326 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:38 pm »
We could win the next leg I believe. Bolstering the midfield, penalty shootout routines and practicing the corners. Three things for me.

Our corners though...

It's there to remind our lads who they're playing for and to remind the opposition who they're playing against!

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #327 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:45 pm »
1 goal in open play in 263 minutes against 10 men this season. I reckon City would rack up at least 15.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #328 on: January 13, 2022, 10:03:47 pm »
Either Klopp really thinks he was the best option or a statement to FSG that our squad isn't good enough.

yeah, don’t think Klopp is the kind of man to do that, do you?  ;D

It was either him or Ox for the start, after Curtis had started on Sunday, so pick your poison.

Only question mark was not hauling him off at half time.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #329 on: January 13, 2022, 10:04:10 pm »
Christ, that midfield, let us never see it again.

Would love for us to sign a creative midfielder in this window, fat chance with these mingebags.
Be interested who they tell us will be like signing a new player, probabably Harvey Elliott.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #330 on: January 13, 2022, 10:04:11 pm »
It has happened before, same stuff all over. Klopp is brilliant but without Salah or Mane we look nothing special.
I don’t think they’d have made a difference. We’ve put in a number of similar pathetic attacking displays with them both on the pitch. Maybe we might have scored before Xhaka got sent off if they were playing?

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #331 on: January 13, 2022, 10:04:20 pm »
Too bad Origi was injured, he would have buried the chance.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #332 on: January 13, 2022, 10:04:25 pm »
That was fucking garbage. Too many opportunities to shoot or cross quickly turned down.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #333 on: January 13, 2022, 10:04:26 pm »
Man, that was bad....really bad.....arsewiping...ringstinging bad
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #334 on: January 13, 2022, 10:05:18 pm »
Our first choice midfield at the start of the season was Fabinho Thiago Elliott just saying.

Pretty sure it was Henderson, Fab and Elliott?

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #335 on: January 13, 2022, 10:05:32 pm »
Either Klopp really thinks he was the best option or a statement to FSG that our squad isn't good enough.
If you genuinely think Jurgen wants to make a 'statement to FSG' you're in dreamland. He's a realist who doesn't cry about not signing a million players every window like some of our fans.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #336 on: January 13, 2022, 10:05:33 pm »
Anyone tell me why we stop going wide? We decided early to try bulldoze our way through the center and when that failed, we tried it another 10-15 times with the same result.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #337 on: January 13, 2022, 10:05:47 pm »
I don’t think it’s massively reactionary for the first questions of the night to be one’s scrutinising the ownership. This is two January’s in a row where circumstances have left us with a depleted squad and it’s not massively controversial or unfair to be unhappy with the owner’s approach to the squad building in the time in between.

We’ve gone from Champions to a fanbase fraught with anxiety as we’ve now had multiple transfer windows that simply haven’t addressed enough issues within the squad. We can talk about elite youth team players all we want but realistically we will do extremely well if 3 of the current young players on the fringes end up being important first team players. It’ll likely be less than that. We’ve had enough games with an exposed squad now to see where there’s a need that only transfers can address.

This may seem reactionary, it’s only mid January, but it’s clear we won’t sign anyone of note in the window and it’s starting to get harder and harder to say that the ownership have made almost exclusively excellent decisions for the last few years - contrarily, it more seems that they’ve banked their goodwill and intend on living off it for a while longer yet. The summer window was a huge missed opportunity and the owners have been myopic and inert for 18 months now.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #338 on: January 13, 2022, 10:05:58 pm »
I think though we really haven’t played well in about a 3-4 weeks it seems.


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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #339 on: January 13, 2022, 10:05:59 pm »
That 2nd half was as pathetic as you can get. One shot on goal against 10 men and one utterly terrible miss which we probably deserved to miss as we were so shocking.

to be honest this is on Jurgen, all the subs were too little too late. Trent was obviously short of fitness so why wasn't Neco on earlier? At half time we had the chance to go a bit more attacking in our line up but instead we waited till 60mins for the 1st change. Milly wasn't needed against 10 men and we paid for that. With all the fitness issues we should be getting energy into the team when its obvious the ones on the pitch don't have it.

Not sure how we take 6 pts from the next 2 games with a toothless attack.

Jurgen was excellently proactive in the previous round. Made the right 3 changes at half time, no fucking about and the crowd responded and straight away second half it was a different game.

I don't know what we were waiting for tonight. Especially with 5 subs. We just wasted 15 minutes of the second half and then Arsenal were just able to dig in and see it out.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #340 on: January 13, 2022, 10:06:06 pm »
Whenever we're up against 10 men, we always hear that old cliche about needing to play with 'patience', but that just causes us to slow everything down and plays into the opposition's hands. In that situation you need to play with exactly the same intensity as you would against 11 men, otherwise you're not really using your advantage.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #341 on: January 13, 2022, 10:06:19 pm »
Be an uphill battle to qualify now.

Possibly, but we were absolutely terrible tonight and didn't lose. Arsenal are distinctly average but dug in really deep after having a man sent off. We made it a very, very comfortable night for them, but they still didn't win.

Will we play as badly against them at their place? Can they dig that deep again?

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #342 on: January 13, 2022, 10:06:33 pm »
Anyone tell me why we stop going wide? We decided early to try bulldoze our way through the center and when that failed, we tried it another 10-15 times with the same result.

We lack pace on the flanks and it got too crowded once Robbo's got in attacking position.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #343 on: January 13, 2022, 10:07:01 pm »
I don’t think they’d have made a difference. We’ve put in a number of similar pathetic attacking displays with them both on the pitch. Maybe we might have scored before Xhaka got sent off if they were playing?

I thought we started ok. Robertson was finding some space on the left. Having two wide forwards able to commit defenders may have made a difference. But sometimes when we get stuck in a rut and rely on shit crosses we look bang average. Hasn't hasn't much this season to be fair
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #344 on: January 13, 2022, 10:07:04 pm »
Arsenal where very orgainised tonight and defended very well if you cannot see that then i give up, yes we where not great and shows we need a forward/winger into the squad plus Thiago was a massive loos for a game like that.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #345 on: January 13, 2022, 10:07:16 pm »
1 goal in open play in 263 minutes against 10 men this season. I reckon City would rack up at least 15.

City also have the luxury of buying a preening shithouse of an average player for over 100 million just "because". Whereas since we won the Champions League in 2019 we've signed Minamino, Thiago, Jota and Konate to add to the senior team. That's fucking criminal negligence.

And before anyone jumps for my neck, I know Harvey Elliott is making the step up now but he was 16 when we bought him.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #346 on: January 13, 2022, 10:07:18 pm »
We lack pace on the flanks and it got too crowded once Robbo's got in attacking position.

We had Robbo and Trent on and didn't even attempt one cross really...

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #347 on: January 13, 2022, 10:07:38 pm »
Minimino isn’t good enough is he? He’s tidy enough but every is back to goal and the safe, he never turns and runs at people. And the open goal miss was terrible. When you go to the manager and ask for more time on th pitch and then turn in that display. Oh dear.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #348 on: January 13, 2022, 10:07:42 pm »
Lets not go over the top. It wont be easy to win there but we really should go through, we are better than them.

We do have a midfield. 2 of our first choice 11 started today.

Our midfield is running on fumes.

They are fucking shite and Ramsdale did his best to give us the win yet we still didn't manage it.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #349 on: January 13, 2022, 10:08:07 pm »
Useless, meaningless stat but we’ve failed to score at home in our last three League Cup semi finals.

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and another blank tonight.

Didn’t lose again, I suppose.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #350 on: January 13, 2022, 10:08:19 pm »
Players out of form, lack of competition and options on top of now losing Mane and in particular Salah has been tough but predictable if we're honest. We lack quality and need investment now.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #351 on: January 13, 2022, 10:08:44 pm »
Our midfield is running on fumes.

They are fucking shite and Ramsdale did his best to give us the win yet we still didn't manage it.

Running on fumes? They have had tonnes of rest. They shouldnt be tired.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #352 on: January 13, 2022, 10:08:54 pm »
Thing about that miss is Minamino has steadily been building his fragile confidence up in these games…and now he’ll be terrible for another year.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #353 on: January 13, 2022, 10:09:01 pm »
Corners starting to annoy me. Why does Trent spend a few minutes to try and gain a few yards at the corner and then doesn't beat first man. Robertson can't take one either but still does

Too be fair didn’t he have Covid recently.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #354 on: January 13, 2022, 10:09:17 pm »
I don’t think it’s massively reactionary for the first questions of the night to be one’s scrutinising the ownership. This is two January’s in a row where circumstances have left us with a depleted squad and it’s not massively controversial or unfair to be unhappy with the owner’s approach to the squad building in the time in between.

We’ve gone from Champions to a fanbase fraught with anxiety as we’ve now had multiple transfer windows that simply haven’t addressed enough issues within the squad. We can talk about elite youth team players all we want but realistically we will do extremely well if 3 of the current young players on the fringes end up being important first team players. It’ll likely be less than that. We’ve had enough games with an exposed squad now to see where there’s a need that only transfers can address.

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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #355 on: January 13, 2022, 10:09:42 pm »
We lack pace on the flanks and it got too crowded once Robbo's got in attacking position.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #356 on: January 13, 2022, 10:09:49 pm »
Running on fumes? They have had tonnes of rest. They shouldnt be tired.

Fab has had covid and looked poor before that.

Henderson is playing too much and doesn't look fit.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #357 on: January 13, 2022, 10:10:12 pm »
Running on fumes? They have had tonnes of rest. They shouldnt be tired.

Jordan was out for quite a while, and hasn't got going since he came back. Fabinho had covid not that long ago.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #358 on: January 13, 2022, 10:10:25 pm »
Too be fair didn’t he have Covid recently.

Yes, he did. It might take a few games to get him back to what he was, making him stay out wide will help as well.
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Re: LC: Liverpool v Arsenal
« Reply #359 on: January 13, 2022, 10:10:28 pm »
Trent tends to need games to find his feet again after an absence.

He also needs having a word with, i've noticed for quite a few games now, his tendency to want to drift inwards towards the box rather than overlap and get chalk on his boots - i recognise this was introduced to bring variety to his play, however his biggest weapon has been putting balls in behind the opposition back line to attack from out wide and he needs to get back to doing a lot more of that.

Reminiscent of Beckham when he played out right for England but would just end up central - again, his biggest weapon was his cross but wanted to be another midfielder too, completely loses the teams shape....and todays game was screaming out to stretch play.