Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[Circa1892]

I mean Sunak wasn't a good option politically - but he was competent.

This is once again the example of why its fucking terrible to let self selecting members of political parties choose the PM. You end up with shite.

[Circa1892]

With this lot - genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they use this as a reason to bring back shillings and shite like that.

Can't compare the currency because they've got the old one back.

Only plausible benefit would be Jacob Rees Mogg wanking himself to literal death at the thought of it.

[Lusty]

They do because they just got rid of their most important electoral tool in Boris because of pressure.

They got rid of him because he was tanking in the polls.  That would be a pretty stupid reason to call an election.

I think if I were a Tory strategist (ugh) I'd probably think the best option from here would be to rip the Liz Truss band aid off quickly, get Sunak in and hope he can turn the polls around before 2024.

[killer-heels]

They got rid of him because he was tanking in the polls.  That would be a pretty stupid reason to call an election.

I think if I were a Tory strategist (ugh) I'd probably think the best option from here would be to rip the Liz Truss band aid off quickly, get Sunak in and hope he can turn the polls around before 2024.

I just cannot see a situation where they could survive another PM change. The pressure would be immeasurable and you would have a wing of the party in thats more likely to bend.

[Schmarn]

I'm now 44 and I've never lived under a decent government, Thatcher sold everything, fucked the poor and smashed the unions, Major was just meh, and a footnote in history, Blair lied to create a war in the Middle East in cohorts with another c*nt in George W Bush, Cameron fucked us with Brexit then trotted off (pun intended), Theresa May was just another Tory stooge, now we've had the philandering buffoon who sold off PPE contracts to his rich friends and fucked the country (again), now we have another Tory idiot in Truss, who has managed to destroy the economy inside a fortnight, does it ever get better?, are these elected representatives in government and opposition really the best we can do?

Millionaires should be prohibited from becoming MPs, all they do is feather their own nests and those of their confederates, it's just fucking exhausting to be honest, they're all either imbeciles or self serving liars.

Iraq was immoral and wrong but Blair and Brown’s domestic record was very good unless you’re someone who thinks they were responsible for a global credit crisis. If you’re waiting for a government with a perfect record you’ll die unhappy. What I don’t accept is the inference that all governments are the same and equally bad. It’s a Tory spun lie designed to demotivate the working class from bothering to vote (the rich will always vote to protect their interests).

[spen71]

KK is bleating on again that we need more tax cuts as people will have more money in their pockets.   Yes pay less tax BUT with interest rates going up to about 5% (so 8% on a mortgage) plus inflation at 10% then the gain is wiped out and a lot more lost.    They are fucking nuts!

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

Iraq was immoral and wrong but Blair and Brown’s domestic record was very good unless you’re someone who thinks they were responsible for a global credit crisis. If you’re waiting for a government with a perfect record you’ll die unhappy. What I don’t accept is the inference that all governments are the same and equally bad. It’s a Tory spun lie designed to demotivate the working class from bothering to vote (the rich will always vote to protect their interests).

Yes, I hear this in my staff room all the time, mostly from very poorly paid colleagues who are working more than one job and still struggling. The media has peddled this idea for years because cynicism lowers voting rates amongst the very people who need change most. It's utterly lazy to suggest that "they're all the same". When people say that, ask for specifics. It's rare that any are forthcoming...

[reddebs]

How do tax cuts help those of us that don't pay tax?

Who's going to put extra money in our pockets so we can spend more?

[Rob Dylan]

KK is bleating on again that we need more tax cuts as people will have more money in their pockets.   Yes pay less tax BUT with interest rates going up to about 5% (so 8% on a mortgage) plus inflation at 10% then the gain is wiped out and a lot more lost.    They are fucking nuts!

I've worked it out and I'll be getting about £6 extra a month. That'll really make a difference. How about making sure people have higher wages in the first place?

[thaddeus]

KK is bleating on again that we need more tax cuts as people will have more money in their pockets.   Yes pay less tax BUT with interest rates going up to about 5% (so 8% on a mortgage) plus inflation at 10% then the gain is wiped out and a lot more lost.    They are fucking nuts!

It does seem inconceivable that the top 10% of earners are going to spend sufficiently more to offset the other 90% rationally spending less.

That 1% cut in basic income tax won't touch the sides for us and cancelling a planned NI rise isn't new money it just means one less future tax to pay.  Other than a few days away over October half-term that we booked last year we'll just be battening down the hatches.  There'll be a lot more free activities with the kids (park, bike rides, library) and a lot less paid for activities (swimming, using the local games shop, days out).  We like to support local businesses but, really, right now we just need to keep our heads above water and hope those businesses muddle through.

[killer-heels]

Starmer and Reeves need to be bold now. Take off the handbrakes you c*nts.

[spen71]

Its blatantly obvious what we need in this country.  PR,  an elected upper house (no people with vested interests allowed), clean up brownfield land and build social/affordable housing,  invest in education and training the trades, expand the green/renewable sector so we are world leaders.    None of this will happen as it goes against everything the establishment stand for.

[PaulF]

Its blatantly obvious what we need in this country.  PR,  an elected upper house (no people with vested interests allowed), clean up brownfield land and build social/affordable housing,  invest in education and training the trades, expand the green/renewable sector so we are world leaders.    None of this will happen as it goes against everything the establishment stand for.

At the very least a GE for a new PM

[PaulF]

How do tax cuts help those of us that don't pay tax?

Who's going to put extra money in our pockets so we can spend more?

I don't think the tories hold non-taxpayers in high esteem.

[PaulF]

Can house prices survive this shit show? When they come tumbling down that really is the death knell for the tories.

[Elmo!]

I don't think the tories hold non-taxpayers in high esteem.

They love non-taxpayers, but only the rich ones avoiding paying tax.

[reddebs]

I don't think the tories hold non-taxpayers in high esteem.

Really?  I thought that was every Tory's wet dream 🤷

[TSC]

Well most pension funds are already significantly down this year. Why do you think the weak pound will affect sterling denominated pension funds?

Depends who you’re with and the investment portfolio.  If you can, move it away from sterling based investments, although some may not have that capability.

[gazzalfc]

Talk on twitter of letters already being submitted to the 1922 committee to get rid of Truss....

What a fucking shitshow

Labour needs a 'ready to rule' conference. They cannot afford to ride these poll numbers til 2024 GE

[BarryCrocker]

Talk on twitter of letters already being submitted to the 1922 committee to get rid of Truss....

What a fucking shitshow

Labour needs a 'ready to rule' conference. They cannot afford to ride these poll numbers til 2024 GE

Boris will be back for the GE.

[Lusty]

I just cannot see a situation where they could survive another PM change. The pressure would be immeasurable and you would have a wing of the party in thats more likely to bend.

They probably wouldn't, but I can't see them really surviving in any case.  Truss seems to be a bigger liability than we hoped; if they act quickly they can give a new leader time to turn things around.  It's their only hope of surviving past 2024.

It's mad that after 2019, the general consensus was that the Conservative lead was so large that Starmer's job was to just reduce the Tory majority in 2024.  Now anything less than a sizable Labour majority is going to be seen (probably rightly) as a failure.  It's an amazing turnaround when you take a step back.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Boris will be back for the GE.

I remember him, hes the fat one, who at least pretended to care about ordinary people. I miss the lying corrupt twat.

[gazzalfc]

Really interesting to hear the tone of Andy Burnham today if he speaks.

Still think his priority is to get a safe MP seat in Manchester and fast track himself to a shadow cabinet seat (transport would be perfect).

His legacy in Manchester now is secure. His work on homelessness, transport and overall devolved control of the city is streets ahead of any other devolved city. Frontline politics is where he belongs.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Really interesting to hear the tone of Andy Burnham today if he speaks.

Still think his priority is to get a safe MP seat in Manchester and fast track himself to a shadow cabinet seat (transport would be perfect).

His legacy in Manchester now is secure. His work on homelessness, transport and overall devolved control of the city is streets ahead of any other devolved city. Frontline politics is where he belongs.

Has he said anything to indicate he's interested in getting into parliament ?

He would need to wait for a by-election or a GE.

[TSC]

Rachel Reeves just had a few standing ovations at conference.  Was very good.

[killer-heels]

Rachel Reeves just had a few standing ovations at conference.  Was very good.

Must have had pre-match talk from Angela Raynor and Andy Burnham.

[KillieRed]

Really interesting to hear the tone of Andy Burnham today if he speaks.

Still think his priority is to get a safe MP seat in Manchester and fast track himself to a shadow cabinet seat (transport would be perfect).

His legacy in Manchester now is secure. His work on homelessness, transport and overall devolved control of the city is streets ahead of any other devolved city. Frontline politics is where he belongs.

Would Starmer actually want that?

[cdav]

Thoroughly looking forward to remortgaging next May when my current fix ends

[Statto Red]

They probably wouldn't, but I can't see them really surviving in any case.  Truss seems to be a bigger liability than we hoped; if they act quickly they can give a new leader time to turn things around.  It's their only hope of surviving past 2024.

It's mad that after 2019, the general consensus was that the Conservative lead was so large that Starmer's job was to just reduce the Tory majority in 2024.  Now anything less than a sizable Labour majority is going to be seen (probably rightly) as a failure.  It's an amazing turnaround when you take a step back.

It's the saying, it's Governments who win or lose elections, & this Government is a complete shitshow, & sounds like it'll be a miracle if Truss survives as PM until Halloween at this rate, never mind the next general election, with Tory MPs already twitchy.

[Nobby Reserve]

John Sweeney
@johnsweeneyroar
One hidden misery to Kwasi Kamikaze tanking the pound is that dark Russian and Chinese money will now buy up London homes on the cheap. While the rest of us struggle with mortgages, dark actors - undertaxed and uninvestigated by Conservative governments - will fill their boots.

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1574353764961525760

'Inward Investment' 

[gazzalfc]

Has he said anything to indicate he's interested in getting into parliament ?

He would need to wait for a by-election or a GE.

His rhetoric with regards to the trains and rail industry in general has certainly shifted focus from Manchester to the national.

His biggest issue wont be public support but support within the local and national CLP.

[killer-heels]

Thoroughly looking forward to remortgaging next May when my current fix ends

I am doing it Feb, based on predictions it ranges from 400 to 600 quid extra a month.

Thats on top of 2 lots of childcare ill be paying for come March.

No nice shoes for me.

[killer-heels]

Reeves was passionate but still not bold enough, she and Starmer are so bloody cautious.

[Lusty]

Would Starmer actually want that?

If Starmer was smart, he'd promise him a seat in the HoL if he wins the next election.  Then he can have him in his cabinet but not have to worry so much about a leadership bid from him.

[Nobby Reserve]

John Sweeney
@johnsweeneyroar
One hidden misery to Kwasi Kamikaze tanking the pound is that dark Russian and Chinese money will now buy up London homes on the cheap. While the rest of us struggle with mortgages, dark actors - undertaxed and uninvestigated by Conservative governments - will fill their boots.

https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1574353764961525760

'Inward Investment' 

Linked is this:

Tax breaks for landlords to reignite buy-to-let market
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/news/tax-breaks-landlords-reignite-buy-to-let-market/


(if anyone can post an un-firewalled version of the full article...)



We're now at the stage where buyers with mortgages are being priced out of the housing market, but the already-rich are getting handouts and further tax breaks to buy houses to rent out.
Labour should be shouting this from the rooftops.

The Thatcher had the big idea of increasing home ownership, which was successful. This government is trying to convert the housing sector into a vehicle for the wealthy to be directly funded by the masses.

[Crosby Nick]

Talk on twitter of letters already being submitted to the 1922 committee to get rid of Truss....

What a fucking shitshow

Labour needs a 'ready to rule' conference. They cannot afford to ride these poll numbers til 2024 GE

The Lady Jane Grey of Prime Ministers.

[Nobby Reserve]

If Starmer was smart, he'd promise him a seat in the HoL if he wins the next election.  Then he can have him in his cabinet but not have to worry so much about a leadership bid from him.

Burnham's not that daft.

He's anything but a messiah, but he does have that 'something' that gets the public listening to him. He'd make a way better leader than Starmer.

[cornishscouser92]

Do you know if that takes into account any further movement from the US Federal Reserve?  I don't see their inflation coming down soon so they'll likely be rising their base rate further still which we'll realistically have to at least match.

Part of the reason for the £'s drop in value is the raise in interest rates from the US. The BoE will have to raise interest rates to stabilise the £.

[TepidT2O]

Looks like there’s going to be an emergency interest rate rise… joys

[Jiminy Cricket]

Linked is this:

Tax breaks for landlords to reignite buy-to-let market
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/news/tax-breaks-landlords-reignite-buy-to-let-market/

(if anyone can post an un-firewalled version of the full article...)

https://archive.ph/tUQI7