It's obvious that the media are clubbing together.
I have never bought the 'Conspiracy' theories. There is no global evil conspiracy with 'Cigarette Smoking Men' shuffling around, secret meetings and money changing hands. The idea of that is ludicrous.
However you do have a man that has been in a top position in football for over two decades who holds immense influence and power within the game. Additionally he is a Knight of the Realm which adds to his power within the game. You just have to see his regular 'Mind games' whenever his feather get ruffled and you have to see the corresponding actions by various media outlets when he wants to get his point across. It is obvious that many in the FA are shit scared of him and it is equally obvious given the abuse they get that many officials in the game have to be very, very sure to give a decision against his side in error - lest they be hung out to dry by him and his cronies in the media.
This whole campaign started in a usual fashion for this man against the Club which he detests. And then he's gone on to have his usual go's. He's picked on individual players before for 'the way they act on the pitch' - usually some act that one or more of his players regularly perform themselves without a mention in the media he holds such sway in. A casual think about 'diving' for instance and 'serial diving' in particular would easily bring about memories of Nistelrooy, Beckham, Scholes, Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani, Young and the list goes on.
There is no conspiracy. Just a fucking bitter twat that hated Liverpool FC from the off. Stated it clearly and obviously and then has done year in year out since he's been in the job.
I was quite surprised his comments regarding the fans cutting out the shite and being more at one. I viewed it with some trepidation. Usually, in the past, whenever he has come out with a comment like this, somethnig obvious he'd engineered with his chums down the media offices was about to pass. Look at previous instances with 'threats' like Wenger, Benitez, Mourinho and others that 'got too close for comfort' to his all encompassing 'greatness'. So I wondered what he was up to - in the same way whenever he says something actually decent to the press for a change he's always up to something.
And then this news broke. All throughout he gave press conferences effectively planting the idea that Liverpool FC should accept their medicine and should NOT say anything about it. This has since been echoed in the media from all sides and all quarters. He gave press conferences commenting on this case and the situation and then ironically during these 'chats' with his mates from the media he kept saying that he was saying nothing about what was going on (While talking about what was going on) - classic doublespeak from the man that is the master of the subject. Now he comes out and says he thinks the punishment was 'correct' (Wrecking a mans career and forcing him in a fury of bile and hatred from the English League). If anyone has read 1984 by George Orwell then the way Ferguson double speaks about many subjects, lies about others and then unexpectedly tells the truth randomly to throw people off - he'd make a fine villain.
The sad thing is that he's just as transparent today as he was 25 years ago when he was spitting venom against LFC. He really fucking hates us. I'm not sure why? He has said many times that he 'respects' the Liverpool FC fans (While having a go at Manchester United fans regularly). I think he is upset that even with everything he's won and everything he's done in the sport, so many Liverpool fans just see him for what he is - a backstabbing, cowardly toad of a man that says whatever he can to derail opponents and get them on-side to his advantage. And that sums him up - anything he can do at any time within and without the game to give his side an advantage over the rest. There is nothing he wouldn't sink to and there is nothing he wouldn't say.
But it's not just Liverpool fans that hate his guts. Go to lower level league games right down to the conference and they can't stand the man. He's a despicable excuse for a human being. He's your typical bullying snitch at school. He'd get your dinner money, but if someone stood up to him - he'd be off to the teacher to whine like a girl and 'get them into trouble'.
But his pet FA, the media and indeed himself are surprised by the ferocity of Liverpool FCs defence. Even their latest idea of branding every single Liverpool fan that defends Suarez as a racist is funny in it's own right. Is a lack of justice and what is right suddenly something that Liverpool fans or other fans shouldn't insist on? Has the FA been 'fair' are the media 'right'. The whole explosive and embarrasing outburst from the media tells its own tale. They are desperately trying to convince the world that Liverpool fans are Evil (But let's face it these fuckers have been doing that for decades now. They fucking hate the City and have been doing it down for decades and they hate the people in the City - just look at the bigoted twats all over the country and their shithouse views).
There is no conspiracy. There is no tinfoil hats required. Just a bitter old man with too much influence in a sport and too many cowards willing and ready to do his bidding. A word here, a pat on the head there, a shake of the hand and a smile there. That's all you need when you've been there longer than anyone else at the top of any sport.
lol you're posts on this matter have been ridiculous throughout this thread, very little common sense being used, but congratulations, you've managed to out-do yourself with this.
Pure tripe. However, I did like the way you managed to get 1984 and George Orwell squeezed in there. Seriously, no conspiracy you say?? Your whole post, is nothing but exactly that.....oh the irony!
Its not shit really but it doesn't help us. Whilst I dont agree with Suarez's 8 game ban but if reade is suggesting he used the word negro than he was always going to be banned.
Playing devils advocate we can't assume if that was the word used or even negrito that evra wouldn't find it offensive just because its a word used in a different way in Uraguay.
The whole problem with this case is not so much the ban, but the length of time and the vagueness. I don't believe Suarez is racist but it still doesn't mean cultural differences can't cause offence. But like I said the FA should have taken this into account within the wording of their verdict and the length of time.
We can only assume by their hard stance regardless of what the police do, that john terry will serve an even longer ban.
Fair and balanced view using some common sense. But of course, some people just can't see it, or don't want to admit to seeing it, and reply with something like this:
Negro in Uruguay has no racial connotations. You can't have a conversation in Spanish and then translate it to English to suit yourself when the whole conversation was initiated and completed in Spanish.
The English again are showing their Xenophobia. I'm surprised that none of the papers have suggested we invade Uruguay so our 'Brave lads' can show them the fucking error of their ways, kick the shit out of them and steal their land.
I also get the feeling that because the Argentinians are supporting Uruguay in this, the little Xenophobic Englanders are getting points scored that way as well.
Their photo with 'Negro' on it is an uncomfortable reminder to the English media and FA that they've got it so, so wrong.
The anger shown in Spain, South America and the absolute incandescent fury shown by the Uruguan Embassy shows that the FA and media have got it so, so wrong.
But it's typical English for you. If they can't understand? SHOUT ENGLISH LOUDER!!! SHOUT ENGLISH SLOWER!!!
"Then those 'Johnny Foreigner' bastards will understand - why can't they fucking speak English Eh?"
The English at times absolutely fucking disgust me. I'm embarrased at times that my entire family have fought and many have died for these idiots.
Embarrassing yourself here mate, you really are.
Lol at the irony of '..................Shout Louder'
This is exactly what you are doing, repeating the same shite over and over, trying to negate any well balanced, unemotional viewpoint with what you obviously believe to be true, (like you have more evidence than the rest of us!). I suppose you've been saying the same thing for so many posts, you probably believe everything you are saying, no matter what.
*facepalm SMH*
Embarrassing, gone through this thread, I'm disgusted with what iv read. We are defending Luis as though we know exactly what went through his head that day. If that was say Vidic who said something racial to Glen Johnson in his native language i have NO doubt we would not be defending Vidic. We cant defend someone simply on the basis he plays for Liverpool football club. He is not being accused of being a racist, that is not the issue here, why Luis felt he needed to use that word? I do not know, it was certainly inappropriate, especially since the situation was heated.
This x100.
It really is this simple.
Oh and Montanaa is probably the same person on Red Cafe with exactly the same photo. He mentioned a while back that he had a 'sleeper account' he had set up recently (He was registered in June this year).
Hahahahahahaha.....wait, wait.....
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahshshshshshshshshshs.
Somebody has a differing view to me, must be a manc trying to take us down from the inside.....
Thats it im not quoting your bile anymore (no doubt you'll outdo yourself and I'll probably have to....) its truly ridiculous.
Paranoid much, Andy 'the world and its mother is against us' @Allerton ??
Btw, seen as you say, you have extensively researched this, how is that you have decided anytime you read/hear that the word(that we *think* it may be) shouldn't be used in an argument or with someone that is not really an acquaintance at a minimum (not mentioning the fact its between a black person and a non black/mixed race person), to completely ignore it, not mention it and proceed to quote the parts that suit your own agenda/feelings on the issue?
He may not be racist Suarez, but If I called any of the black lads I know "Negrito" or whatever while having a argument with them or in any conversation to be honest id expect it to kick off. You dont say things like that, I was married to a black woman and 3 of my kids are mixed race and if anyone called any of them anything like that id put them in hospital, friendly or not. Its not on. Before any of the internet warriors in here kick off with me or whatever, dont bother. Im entitled to an opinion even if it isnt the same as yours.
Yes.
The legend that is Mirra.....form is temporary, class is permanent.
Lol @internet warriors........Seems they think something becomes true, the more you say it?
Ah well thats alright then, ill let somebody come up to one of my kids or ex wife from Latin America and say that to them should I? Its wrong. I dont care how its dressed up or what context its said in, ive seen what racism is and how things like that hurt people and its not right.
oh..don't say that Mirra, you might, like I was earlier in the thread, be accused of having a chip on my shoulder. I mean it can be the only reason for your different views!!
Seen/been victim of racism = Chip on your shoulder in regard to anything in the future that relates to racism, if you dont agree with what the majority are shouting from the rooftops.
Yet, its the prior experience that allows people to see things from a different light, a light most on this forum simply cannot fathom it seems? Meh..
What do you expect, when numerous people ITT, didn't even know that 'coloured' is not ok to be used, in ghis day and age. Even though its been the case for 25 odd years minimum?
And that Negro is ok to be used, befause its classed as a descriptor in the dictionary? Lolwut?
And just ell-o-ell at all the people jumping on Mirra after these two posts, to hypocritically tell him about context, when the truth of it is, that they fail to see that the word used in the CONTEXT of a heated exchange between two non friends, means the word is longer meaning 'pal' or 'mate' at all.
Claiming that as he is not south American or speaks Spanish, then he cant possibly know, yet, guaranteed some of the same people also are not south american/fluent in Spanish, yet they feel they know better?? Just fuck off.
The fucking hypocrisy in here, fucking stinks.
Seriously, I'm going to bed before I get banned, but i feel i have to mention certain people that have been doing good stuff in this thread, a few of whom got completely jumped on for actually using their own brain and not being brainwashed by people like A@A and Timbo (stick to the finance stuff, seriously..)
Some people just see something said so often, that it becomes true, and considering A@A especially just keeps repeating the same stuff ad nauseum, it's being both said and taken as gospel.
Anyway the following have had some great posts in here and they should be checked out (I know most people wont have read the whole thread, both as its fecking massive and because others are just lazy!) for some balance in this debate, because the majority keep shouting down anyone who has a differing view and they seem to leave it in end..........No particular order:
Lionel_messias
Shelovesyou
Stussy
Thejbs
Alan X(F)
Dr Stop
BCCC
fruity esp. Post #7626
Joey55
Sure there are others, but these stick in my mind throughout the whole thread.
Merry Xmas RAWK
