Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread

[Suareznumber7]

I'm not sure what the attraction in playing youth footie for Chelsea or City is other than the facilities, seems a dead end from the progression into the first team stand point

It's all about the money

[Escorcio]

I'm not sure what the attraction in playing youth footie for Chelsea or City is other than the facilities, seems a dead end from the progression into the first team stand point

Chelsea were bringing Izzy Brown (now at Brentford or something) & Solanke off the bench last season and Ihenancho (however the fuck it's spelt) is the only other I recall from the City youth team making an impact in the first team

If you your son was 10-13, a decent player for his age group and had an offer from City/Chelsea, you'd have a number of options

1. Take the offer.
They'll set your child up in one of the top private schools in the country and guarantee education until after GCSEs (even if your child drops out). The wage and benefits that the child and your family will get will likely far surpass anything you can provide for your family. In essence, a contract until their late teens would set your child up for the majority of their life, even as a player in their youth set up that has little chance of breaking through to the first team. They'll have access to some of the best coaches and facilities in the world.

2. Don't take the offer.
Depending on the club, the salary offered could be <£10k per year (e.g ours), or slightly more. Your son will have a higher chance of breaking through to the first team, and in all likelihood greater focus on their progressoin as an individual. The salary offered will not set them up for life. Statistically the chance of them making it and playing in one of the top divisions in Europe is still MINIMAL. They are 1 injury away from dropping out of the system completely, and even if they do remain health, there are no guarantees that they will make it as a pro. Should they drop out, it's likely that due to the focus on football during their youth they may have given up on opportunities for many other "high flying" careers (STEM, etc), compounded with the heart-break of falling out of the system in the desired career they have spent 10+ years grafting at.

Given the small possibility of breaking through to the first team at any club (unless you are one of the best in the world at your age, and even then...) What would you choose?

[So… Howard Philips]

My grandson has just got Ben Woodburn on a Match Attack card. Shows Ben has hit the big-time.

[Aceldama]

I'm not sure what the attraction in playing youth footie for Chelsea or City is other than the facilities, seems a dead end from the progression into the first team stand point

Chelsea were bringing Izzy Brown (now at Brentford or something) & Solanke off the bench last season and Ihenancho (however the fuck it's spelt) is the only other I recall from the City youth team making an impact in the first team

Brown and Solanke were both out on loan last season so made zero Chelsea appearances, they got some token minutes the season before but nothing meaningful. Iheanacho isn't a Man City academy graduate, they bought him after he won the award for best player at the U17 World Cup, you might as well praise them for bringing through Gabriel Jesus and Leroy Sane.

[dakid]

Thats us seriously hampered for the next few years although it looks like we can still sign players fron abroad?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/liverpool-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stoke

[Giono]

Thats us seriously hampered for the next few years although it looks like we can still sign players fron abroad?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/liverpool-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stoke

It's only for 1 year effectively.

[hassinator]

Thats us seriously hampered for the next few years although it looks like we can still sign players fron abroad?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/liverpool-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stoke

was just going to ask about this.  obviously recent strategy has been to develop local players but does this mean we can't sign anyone local even at the most junior levels?

[TepidT2O]

was just going to ask about this.  obviously recent strategy has been to develop local players but does this mean we can't sign anyone local even at the most junior levels?

No, just that we can't sign people who are at other class 1 academies (or whatever they're called).

You can still add kids to your academy and you can still sign from abroad...

[Ratboy3G]

I'm not sure what the attraction in playing youth footie for Chelsea or City is other than the facilities, seems a dead end from the progression into the first team stand point

Chelsea were bringing Izzy Brown (now at Brentford or something) & Solanke off the bench last season and Ihenancho (however the fuck it's spelt) is the only other I recall from the City youth team making an impact in the first team

Not meaning to be pedantic, but does Iheanacho count as a City youth team player? Didn't they sign him when he turned 18?

[Chalky Boots]

I'm not sure what the attraction in playing youth footie for Chelsea or City is other than the facilities, seems a dead end from the progression into the first team stand point

It'll be a money and education thing. Top investing clubs are sending the players to private schools where they'll get access to perceived better teaching and facilities to learn, if they knuckle down they can get a head start in life. I don't blame them for the financial side of things. If you're a crazy level talent then maybe it's different but for a 12/13 year old were there's no gauge as to how good you'll become you'd be forgiven for looking to make as much money as you can in the event you're not going to make it.

[Phil M]

U-23s have a tricky away assignment v Southampton this evening.

Interested to see the line up.

[SwordInYourGut]

I'm not sure what the attraction in playing youth footie for Chelsea or City is other than the facilities, seems a dead end from the progression into the first team stand point

Chelsea were bringing Izzy Brown (now at Brentford or something) & Solanke off the bench last season and Ihenancho (however the fuck it's spelt) is the only other I recall from the City youth team making an impact in the first team

Top facilities, top coaches, fantastically talented team mates and top salaries. Even if they went to a lower grade academy, the chances are most won't make it right to the top. For many of those players, their youth contracts at City/Chelsea would be the biggest contract of their lives. Why wouldn't you go to Chelsea or City, its far more risky a career path to go anywhere else.

[Dudek savessssss.........!]

U-23s have a tricky away assignment v Southampton this evening.

Interested to see the line up.

[KiNki]

cheers for the heads up

[Shaved Crossbar]

Kevin Stewart dropped out of the first team reckoning a bit? He's 24 in September and playing with Brewster who turned 17 a few days ago.

[El Lobo]

Kevin Stewart dropped out of the first team reckoning a bit? He's 24 in September and playing with Brewster who turned 17 a few days ago.

Aye big time, you'd think his numbers up in the summer. If you're not getting minutes during this injury crisis I really don't see where he is in the future.

[Chris~]

He's behind so many players now he's got pretty much no chance of being here. Doesn't even make the bench now when everyone is injured. Most that side shouldn't really be here next season though, whether it be permanently or on loan.

[jillcwhomever]

That is a strong attacking team. Good to see Wilson at least getting a game. This will be a strong test for us tonight.

[oojason]

some streams for the game (also on LFC tv channel):-

http://sportsntvlive.com/lfc-tv-live-stream-watch-lfc-tv-uk-live/
http://www.liveonlinetv247.info/lfctv.php
http://www.sportstvstream.me/lfc-tv-channel-live-stream-liverpool-tv-live/

[Dudek savessssss.........!]

some streams for the game (also on LFC tv channel):-

http://sportsntvlive.com/lfc-tv-live-stream-watch-lfc-tv-uk-live/
http://www.liveonlinetv247.info/lfctv.php
http://www.sportstvstream.me/lfc-tv-channel-live-stream-liverpool-tv-live/

First one working fine (sportsntvlive). Thank you oojason.

[Coolie High]

Harry Wilson has made a lot of  progress in terms of performance for u21, but little in terms of actually being in the gold for the first team.

Being in that middle bit between reserves and first team like Stewart doesn't do you any good if you don't actually play in the first team, Stewart has at least got a chance Harry still to get one, which is a shame for him because there really won't be many more chances, and he does derserve it.

[HopefulRed]

If they did possession statistics I think we'd be no more than 15%.  They're pressing us so high that every time we get the ball we have to boot it upfield and hand possession back. 

The commentator talked about us wanting revenge for a 4-1 beating by Soton earlier in the season, but a repeat of that would be a fair score based on the first half. 

[Redman78]

Harry Wilson has made a lot of  progress in terms of performance for u21, but little in terms of actually being in the gold for the first team.

Being in that middle bit between reserves and first team like Stewart doesn't do you any good if you don't actually play in the first team, Stewart has at least got a chance Harry still to get one, which is a shame for him because there really won't be many more chances, and he does derserve it.

I don't see how you can say that with such confidence to be honest, he is still young and I'm sure his good work thus season wouldn't have gone unnoticed by Klopp.  He just needs to be patient and I'm sure they'll be a good few chances for him next season.

[bigal]

Joe Gomez injured, thought he would be getting time on the pitch?

[Chris~]

He's already behind Woodburn, maybe Ojo and we're going to add numbers to the front line next season. He's been training with the first team for a while now and hasn't managed to get a chance despite all our injuries. Maybe he's fantastic in preseason and wins Klopp over but he should be really looking to use that to get a good loan sorted. Canos and Kent left permanently and on loan and are regulars for mid table sides in the Championship. Ojo and Wilson should be looking at them really, it's not as glamorous as playing for us, but they're gaining good experience and will end up making a good career for themselves. Ojo and Wilson can't really afford to keep their development stalling as younger players will continue to come through who show promise like they did, but will be seen to have a higher upside due to their age.

[sminp]

No Gomez or Ojo. Do they have injuries or do we think they might be with the first team? There's certainly a place available for Ojo or Wilson in the first team squad at the moment I'd have thought.

[dakid]

No Gomez or Ojo. Do they have injuries or do we think they might be with the first team? There's certainly a place available for Ojo or Wilson in the first team squad at the moment I'd have thought.

Not sure how much of his plans Ojo is in for Klopp. He didn't even list him as an option before the Stoke game - "The young boys give us a few options – it's about Ben, Trent, Harry, Marko Grujic. But it has to be the right situation."

[rocco]

1-0 when I had to leave it

What was the final score

[Jono69]

1-0 when I had to leave it

What was the final score

Was 2.0 last I knew

[HopefulRed]

I gave up watching half way thru the second half and now I see its 2-2.  Wow

[KiNki]

2-2 harry wilson from the spot, well keeper saved, wilson from rebound.

[Redsnappa]

That knocking noise ... it's Harry on Jurgen's door 

[rocco]

2-2

[Jono69]

I'm really glad I stopped watching at 2.0

[Redsnappa]

Splendid second half just like the first team on Saturday ...  but for Brazilian read Welshman. 

 

[HopefulRed]

I see Melissa Ready is suggesting that LFC are definitely after Ryan Sessegnon, along with a host of other Premiership clubs.  But he's not 17 till next month so he's more naturally an academy player.  Does anyone know what he definition of the academy ban for 2 years, one year deferred, is that LFC have?  Does it refer to a particular age group, eg U18s, or anyone who is not first team, and even if the latter, does it mean that he cannot play for the U23s to get fitness up (assuming he will not automatically be our first choice if he signs)? 

[TepidT2O]

I see Melissa Ready is suggesting that LFC are definitely after Ryan Sessegnon, along with a host of other Premiership clubs.  But he's not 17 till next month so he's more naturally an academy player.  Does anyone know what he definition of the academy ban for 2 years, one year deferred, is that LFC have?  Does it refer to a particular age group, eg U18s, or anyone who is not first team, and even if the latter, does it mean that he cannot play for the U23s to get fitness up (assuming he will not automatically be our first choice if he signs)? 

According to Paul Joyce, the kid will sign his pro contract in May and we are then free to sign him...

If no one else out does us...

[Haggis36]

I see Melissa Ready is suggesting that LFC are definitely after Ryan Sessegnon, along with a host of other Premiership clubs.  But he's not 17 till next month so he's more naturally an academy player.  Does anyone know what he definition of the academy ban for 2 years, one year deferred, is that LFC have?  Does it refer to a particular age group, eg U18s, or anyone who is not first team, and even if the latter, does it mean that he cannot play for the U23s to get fitness up (assuming he will not automatically be our first choice if he signs)?

Not that I think there is anything in the reports, but I've definitely read an article (possibly from Reddy) in the past few days stating it would have no effect on a move for Sessegnon as he is a first team player.

[reddebs]

Ffs forgot all about this game! 

I can't be arsed to change my Tapatalk settings because my time is more important than yours

[jillcwhomever]

Ffs forgot all about this game! 

I can't be arsed to change my Tapatalk settings because my time is more important than yours

They did well to come back against a good Southampton side. Harry Wilson doing the business.