Topic: Pedro (Chirivella)

[FlashGordon]

Agree generally on the positivity. But I don't think anyone is really predicting doom and gloom are they? I think he could play at a really high level in somewhere like Italy, but physically he's just not going to take a key position in our squad is he? That's just unrealistic isn't it, and there's no issue with people pointing out that suggesting he's as good as Jorginho based on four performances against inferior opposition to a league game is objectively incorrect.

Yes I agree Jorginho is levels above him, that is obvious. The doom and gloom I was referring to was someone saying he'd do well to start for Championship sides.

[classycarra]

Yes I agree Jorginho is levels above him, that is obvious. The doom and gloom I was referring to was someone saying he'd do well to start for Championship sides.

Ah my mistake, missed that.

[PoetryInMotion]

The person said start every game for Everton.

What’s the evidence he’s considerably better than Gomes and Delph, for example.

I think he’d get in Everton’s squad. He’s in our 25 man squad so he’s getting in there’s. Think it’s a very big stretch to say he’d start every game based on a handful of performances.

I’d like to keep him because he’d be 7th or 8th midfield choice. He’s also got the potential to improve with age. He seems to have improved over the last 12 months. Wanting him to stay as a squad option for us and saying there isn’t enough evidence to suggest he currently would start regularly for a Top 10 PL team aren’t mutually exclusive.

It's not a big stretch at all considering someone like Davies has earned so many starts. Their midfield is not exactly pulling any trees. Also, it might've been a dig at Everton considering our kids with Chirivella in the middle beat their first teamers. If Chirivella plays with our other first teamers, who knows what may happen?

Why so serious about it? Especially Everton?

[Jookie]

Why so serious about it? Especially Everton?

I'm not particularly serious about it. Everton I'm serious about in that they are main rivals but in this context I'm not necessarily. If it came across that way then sorry.

What I would say is that a lot of people on here are all to willing to jump in on what other fans say. But very willing to throw out opinions that aren't founded with that much evidence. I was denigrating Chirivella in any way. Just pointing out that there isn't the game time and therefore evidence to make any strong suggestions about him. Imagine what the reaction would be if Oliver Skipp had a good game  Everton and Shrewsbury in the FA Cup and they were saying he was better than Keita. That's how I view someone say Chirivella is better than someone like Jorginho.

As a more general point the quality of posts on RAWK recently has been quote poor compared to what it's been in the past. The good posters (Royhendo, Medellin, Timbo, Yorkie, LallanainPyjamas, Snail, Treeless, Jack Ward and others) are feeling like they are lost in the noise somewhat. I don't always agree at all with those posters but their opinion is considered and not always rose tinted. People will view this instance as me not being a supporter of one of our players but this feels a bit like the summer window when people were crying about our lack of depth in the front 3 and I was saying City might suffer due to their lack of depth at centre back. The only difference was I was taking the positive (or maybe more balanced view) on that occasion.

People are too high or too low on things. Everything is very reactionary on here (and other places) to what happened recently rather taking a wider viewpoint of a situation. My opinion is that forum needs people who are at least more considered at some point. To provide some sanity and rein people in on occasions.

Maybe it's time for me to take a break from RAWK for a bit. It's a time to enjoy being a Liverpool supporter not arguing with each other.

[Durlmints]

The person said start every game for Everton.

What’s the evidence he’s considerably better than Gomes and Delph, for example.

I think he’d get in Everton’s squad. He’s in our 25 man squad so he’s getting in there’s. Think it’s a very big stretch to say he’d start every game based on a handful of performances.

I’d like to keep him because he’d be 7th or 8th midfield choice. He’s also got the potential to improve with age. He seems to have improved over the last 12 months. Wanting him to stay as a squad option for us and saying there isn’t enough evidence to suggest he currently would start regularly for a Top 10 PL team aren’t mutually exclusive.

Jookie, you misunderstand me completely.

I was saying he'd start every game as the Everton goalkeeper.

[PoetryInMotion]

I'm not particularly serious about it. Everton I'm serious about in that they are main rivals but in this context I'm not necessarily. If it came across that way then sorry.

What I would say is that a lot of people on here are all to willing to jump in on what other fans say. But very willing to throw out opinions that aren't founded with that much evidence. I was denigrating Chirivella in any way. Just pointing out that there isn't the game time and therefore evidence to make any strong suggestions about him. Imagine what the reaction would be if Oliver Skipp had a good game  Everton and Shrewsbury in the FA Cup and they were saying he was better than Keita. That's how I view someone say Chirivella is better than someone like Jorginho.

As a more general point the quality of posts on RAWK recently has been quote poor compared to what it's been in the past. The good posters (Royhendo, Medellin, Timbo, Yorkie, LallanainPyjamas, Snail, Treeless, Jack Ward and others) are feeling like they are lost in the noise somewhat. I don't always agree at all with those posters but their opinion is considered and not always rose tinted. People will view this instance as me not being a supporter of one of our players but this feels a bit like the summer window when people were crying about our lack of depth in the front 3 and I was saying City might suffer due to their lack of depth at centre back. The only difference was I was taking the positive (or maybe more balanced view) on that occasion.

People are too high or too low on things. Everything is very reactionary on here (and other places) to what happened recently rather taking a wider viewpoint of a situation. My opinion is that forum needs people who are at least more considered at some point. To provide some sanity and rein people in on occasions.

Maybe it's time for me to take a break from RAWK for a bit. It's a time to enjoy being a Liverpool supporter not arguing with each other.

Mate, I understand that the Jorginho comparison was way overboard, but you've taken the Everton comment too seriously. Also, don't worry about the voice of good posters. RAWK has always had good posters and also noise, but good posts have always found their way, there's nothing to really overthink about it 

There's nothing really to argue here imo.

[daggerdoo]

I've been impressed with him over the past few seasons. He's shown he can hold his own for the first team in the cup and pre season games, but he just doesn't strike me as the kind of player who could sustain any kind of game time for us.
For all his tenacity he's too lightweight, slow on the turn and doesn't read the game quick enough, probably down to lack of first team football.
Had he found a decent club earlier on I think you're looking at a mid-table PL team regular, at best.

[Linudden]

Yes I agree Jorginho is levels above him, that is obvious. The doom and gloom I was referring to was someone saying he'd do well to start for Championship sides.

If you talk about me, I said he'd be a starter in the Championship but I doubt he'd start for any Premier League first teams at least at this moment in time.

[El Lobo]

If you talk about me, I said he'd be a starter in the Championship but I doubt he'd start for any Premier League first teams at least at this moment in time.

Is this based on your extensive viewing of him, or your extensive viewing of the Championship? Or indeed both?

[Linudden]

Is this based on your extensive viewing of him, or your extensive viewing of the Championship? Or indeed both?

Gut feeling mate

Appreciate the question.

[mrantarctica]

Irrespective of his abilities, the issue is that Pedro is probably 7th or 8th down the list in terms of the 3 CM's that we employ in games. In terms of a being a DM, even there we have Fabinho, Hendo, Gini and Lallana whom I think Klopp would play first before he named Pedro. For this reason, the main thing is that young players like this need to be playing a lot of games. I'm not sure exactly what his level is, I don't think there's enough information available at the moment to say whether he's Premier League level or Championship, or maybe he's better off in La Liga or Serie A or even the Dutch or Scottish leagues. What we do know is that you can be on the fringes at LFC and then make your way to other clubs and give a good account of yourself there - just look at Ings, Ryan Kent, Conor Coady. IMHO, I think that is his best option is to seek a move and then get more first team football. He's certainly had a very good education and I think he can definitely make a good career for himself somewhere. Rangers wouldn't be a bad shout as they have Gerrard there who could aid in his development further, and I think they play an ageing Stephen Davis at the heart of their midfield and could probably due with some reinforcements for not much money. I reckon he'd probably do quite well there.

[momo22]

Some Nice words from Neil Critchley on Pedro:

Neil Critchley is unable to think of a player more deserving than Pedro Chirivella to be receiving opportunities to represent Liverpool in senior football.

Chirivella impressed once again on Tuesday night as a youthful side advanced to the fifth round of the FA Cup by beating Shrewsbury Town in a replay at Anfield.


It was the Spaniard's sixth appearance for the Reds this season, with each one of them earned by his work and dedication on the training ground.

"Pedro has been incredible," Critchley told Liverpoolfc.com. "He is an unbelievable person to work with. He just loves football, loves playing and would play every day.

"For such a young player and a young person, he has unbelievable intelligence and experience of playing the game and he passes that on to everyone around him.

"He gives everything to the team and for the team. He never thinks of himself and he sacrifices himself all of the time.

"I am so delighted for him that he is reaping the rewards of all the hard work and effort he puts in."

The 22-year-old captained Liverpool in the League Cup quarter-final at Aston Villa in December, though Critchley stressed he certainly doesn't need an armband in order to lead by example.


"He is first on the training ground every day, he plays like a real leader and the boys love him for that," the U23s boss continued.

"Sometimes you say use your experience but I think that's more in terms of an older player, 30 or beyond. But you are only experienced if you use that experience for the benefit of the team - Pedro does that all of the time.

"I'm so proud of Pedro as a person and the experience he is getting at the moment he deserves it more than anyone."

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/academy/386238-neil-critchley-lauds-pedro-chirivella?fbclid=IwAR3gwfwPZIT1hBB8x3s6_zQ2UXG8StnX8rMoL9u8U2ROOgqLOvunNPam_-k

[oxenstierna]

Hes not really that young to be honest

[classycarra]

Hes not really that young to be honest

He's younger than 23 and older than 21 at the moment.

Anyway, nice for him that he's being singled out. He's earned it, even though it's presumably to help big him up to potential suitors and because he probably should have been captain ahead of Jones strictly speaking

[aussie_ox]

Where to for a player like Chirivella?  Obviously won't be able to break into our midfield but would be nice to extend his contract so we actually get a decent fee for him.   Expecting a lower La Liga side would be keen.   

[smurfinaus]

Real shame to be honest. Always thought he was a bit to light weight but looks like he is a tad stronger now. Deep lying midfielder with a good pass on him too (and decent tackle). Whats his play been like in the youth sides recently? . Just watching him makes me feel (like others have mentioned) he would be better in Serie A or La Liga (Suso/Luis Alberto  etc)

[Dim Glas]

A very classy farewell from Pedro, can only wish him the very best in France!

https://twitter.com/pedrochb97/status/1272870116108242946?s=20

[Dougle]

A very classy farewell from Pedro, can only wish him the very best in France!

https://twitter.com/pedrochb97/status/1272870116108242946?s=20

Good luck to him.

[jillcwhomever]

Good lad, best of luck Pedro.

[rafathegaffa83]

Good luck to him

[jackh]

Enjoyed this article by the Echo, in which they catch up with Pedro Chirivella a couple of years on from his departure from Anfield.

Clearly had some real lows during this time with us, but speaks about a good relationship with his managers and how some of the highs towards the end of his stay with us help reframe his memory of his time overall.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pedro-chirivella-liverpool-exclusive-breaking-24511085

EXCLUSIVE: Pedro Chirivella was left in tears by £200,000 Liverpool mistake before leaving after glorious high

Nantes French Cup winning star Pedro Chirivella speaks exclusively to the ECHO about his seven-year stay at Liverpool, which had one devastating low but ended with two famous cup victories

[RedG13]

New Nantes Captain.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2023/official-pedro-chirivella-handed-nantes-captaincy/

[afc tukrish]

New Nantes Captain.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2023/official-pedro-chirivella-handed-nantes-captaincy/

New captain?

Nantes, sense...

[disgraced cake]

Enjoyed this article by the Echo, in which they catch up with Pedro Chirivella a couple of years on from his departure from Anfield.

Clearly had some real lows during this time with us, but speaks about a good relationship with his managers and how some of the highs towards the end of his stay with us help reframe his memory of his time overall.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pedro-chirivella-liverpool-exclusive-breaking-24511085

Enjoyed that, good read, some hard times for him here for sure but it sounds like he has a lot of love for the club. The derby performance was unforgettable in the FA Cup. After leaving he's won a trophy with Nantes and is now their captain judging by the post above with plenty of good years ahead of him. A nice success story for the academy.

[classycarra]

New Nantes Captain.
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2023/official-pedro-chirivella-handed-nantes-captaincy/

Really pleased for him that he's doing so well after leaving, well deserved and you can see his work ethic that got him through tough times here has translated well if he's already their captain

Would love to read something similar in a year or two for Nat Phillips, if leadership interests him, although he and Chirivella both had sliding doors moments at the end of their last contracts here. Both were offered new contracts by LFC, to preserve their value so they could be sold on for profit (rather than play them) on the books. Looked like two years later he might leave to Leeds but that's gone quiet now