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[ChaChaMooMoo]

But without progressive steering it forces you to cross your arms over each other, which is very unsafe. Unlike the aforementioned Lexus, you have to turn the wheel more than 360 for full lock (I think it’s 2.5 turns).

Also, 10–2 is the safest position for driving is it not? At least, I was taught that in my test and also on a few rally days. Probably a minor point either way, but you can’t do 10-2 with a yoke.

Then, the fuck is clustered by adding the indicator controls to the wheel and making the horn a small button.

Steering wheels have their side arms on the 9-3 position and not the 10-2. So, ergonomically, you are resting your thumbs and index finger around the 9-3 position. And what I inferred from your post is that, different driving schools suggest different positions. Some say 10-2 while some say 9-3.

In the Tesla, the lock-to-lock (Left most steering position to right most steering position) is about 360°. Just found out from a colleague. It is much less than most passenger cars. 2.5 turns per side.

So technically, I dont have to "cross hands" as often as a passenger car. With the yoke. I will still cross hands while turning, once per side, while for passenger cars, its 2 per side.

But one thing I will agree is that the controls on the wheels are a disaster. I really hated them when I TDed one Tesla last year. I liked the yoke I wont lie. I think it gave me more viewing space from top of the dashboard. And it was a bit weird but I think I will get used to it.

It's called a yoke. Wait, you didn't think that Musk came up with an original name for this shit idea did you?

LOL no. Definitely not. He definitely didnt come up with the name.

[thaddeus]

So technically, I dont have to "cross hands" as often as a passenger car. With the yoke. I will still cross hands while turning, once per side, while for passenger cars, its 2 per side.

Sorry to pick out a single line from your post but with a traditional steering wheel all students are taught to shuffle the wheel around however many degrees are required without every crossing their hands (e.g. a full turn to the right would be right hand pull down, left hand push up, right hand pull down etc.).  That's the case for the UK anyway although crossing hands wouldn't alone be a reason for failing a driving test.

That shuffling isn't possible with a yoke as at 90 degrees you don't have anything to pull down on anymore.

In practice most people use the power steering to one-handedly spin the wheel with their palm which would lead to a test failure 

[thejbs]

Yup. “Feeding the wheel” rather than crossing arms. The plaid with a yoke is 800 degrees lock to lock so more than a full 360 centre to lock. You’d have to cross your arms. That’s unambiguously dangerous and negligent.

Yokes have appeared in prototypes since the 50s. It’s nothing new. They never made it into production cars because they’re simple not as practical or safe as a traditional wheel.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

The plaid with a yoke is 800 degrees lock to lock so more than a full 360 centre to lock.

800° lock to lock seems a bit on the higher side mate.

From the normal position, the "open top" of the yoke can go 180° on the left side, and 180° on the right side (Half a turn with the open top facing down on both sides) and thats the extreme.

800° means, 400° on either side, which is more than one full turn of the yoke on either side. Thats a lot I think.

[thejbs]

That’s the numbers quoted online. And it’s probably pretty much the standard for road cars that don’t have progressive steering. If it was 3-400 lock to lock,like a F1 car, it would be a nightmare to drive at speed. Any slight movement of the wheel would result in significant manoeuvres.

Theonly way Tesla’s yoke can be considered safe is if it had progressive steering. Absolutely negligent for Tesla to release it in a production vehicle without it. They even admit themselves that it’s something they want to add in future years.

And the whole reason they gave for the yoke is preposterous. It helps you see the instrument panel better. Firstly, any car I’ve driven has never had that problem if you have your seat and wheel set right. Second, if you are really concerned, we’ve had HUD in cars since the late 80s.

Worae, the model 3 doesn’t have a driver display. So, something that’s so important in one car that you have to implement a yoke for, is deemed superfluous in another car.

[Jiminy Cricket]

800° lock to lock seems a bit on the higher side mate.

From the normal position, the "open top" of the yoke can go 180° on the left side, and 180° on the right side (Half a turn with the open top facing down on both sides) and thats the extreme.

800° means, 400° on either side, which is more than one full turn of the yoke on either side. Thats a lot I think.

It is quite clear from the video I posted a few days ago that, from lock-to-lock, it is just over a full rotation each way from centre - i.e. approx. 800 degrees.

I was meaning, would it be twitchy (less fine grain control) at slow speeds if the maximum rotation of the steering wheel was very restricted (+/- 90 degrees or some such)? Alas, it seems, that although Tesla yoke steering (lock-to-lock) is more restricted than a typical domestic use car, it is not that restricted. And, actually, having just looked at a video, the problem I (initially) perceived of the yoke steering wheel just being a danger to handle is now reinforced.

https://osultan.smugmug.com/Cars/Refresh-Model-S/n-jF42tn/i-MqTr9SD/A

And, given that crossing hands is contrary to the Highway Code, and that this is difficult to avoid when using a yoke steering wheel, I am not sure how these are legal (in the UK at least).

Anyway, just a bit surprised.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

It is quite clear from the video I posted a few days ago that, from lock-to-lock, it is just over a full rotation each way from centre - i.e. approx. 800 degrees.

Not quite. The max he went was 270° one way. Which is 540° both ways. As shown in the da vinci style drawing.

But yes he did cross his hands and it did go more than 180°. I stand corrected.

I was talking about the cybertruck and I used that to talk about the plaid model S. My bad.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Not quite. The max he went was 270° one way. Which is 540° both ways. As shown in the da vinci style drawing.

But yes he did cross his hands and it did go more than 180°. I stand corrected.

I was talking about the cybertruck and I used that to talk about the plaid model S. My bad.

You are mistaken. If you go to 55 seconds in the video, the driver rotates the steering wheel more than 360 degrees to the left.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

You are mistaken. If you go to 55 seconds in the video, the driver rotates the steering wheel more than 360 degrees to the left.

Please check again.
He is turning left and he does 270.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Please check again.
He is turning left and he does 270.

Hmmm. Not the turn he is already in at 55 seconds, but the turn he initiates just a few seconds later. More than a full turn of the steering wheel. And it matches what can be sourced on the Net too.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

[ChaChaMooMoo]

I stand corrected JC. I missed that 360 the 3 times I saw it. My bad.
You are right.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I stand corrected JC. I missed that 360 the 3 times I saw it. My bad.
You are right.

No worries - easily enough missed. Of the (few) arguments I've managed to win in my life, this is probably right at the very bottom.

[Party Phil]

I'm glad that's finally settled. Can we all agree that Musk is a c*nt and that Teslas are shite and close the thread now?

[BarryCrocker]

I'm glad that's finally settled. Can we all agree that Musk is a c*nt and that Teslas are shite and close the thread now?

Tesla Autopilot feature was involved in 13 fatal crashes, US regulator says
Federal transportation agency finds Tesla’s claims about feature don’t match their findings and opens second investigation

US auto-safety regulators said on Friday that their investigation into Tesla’s Autopilot had identified at least 13 fatal crashes in which the feature had been involved. The investigation also found the electric carmaker’s claims did not match up with reality.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) disclosed on Friday that during its three-year Autopilot safety investigation, which it launched in August 2021, it identified at least 13 Tesla crashes involving one or more death, and many more involving serious injuries, in which “foreseeable driver misuse of the system played an apparent role”.

It also found evidence that “Tesla’s weak driver engagement system was not appropriate for Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities”, which resulted in a “critical safety gap”.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/26/tesla-autopilot-fatal-crash

[Party Phil]

I rest my case