Topic: Harvey Elliott (Harvey Daniel James Elliott)

[Boaty McBoatface]

Harvey's still eligible for the u21's for another tournament cycle. I'd much rather he plays with them than with Waistcoat.

[tubby]

Harvey's still eligible for the u21's for another tournament cycle. I'd much rather he plays with them than with Waistcoat.

I dunno, I think he'd get less game time with the seniors, but would be better for the experience.  The u21s will flog him.

[afc tukrish]

I dunno, I think he'd get less game time with the seniors, but would be better for the experience.  The u21s will flog him.

Tuchel's bdsm nest?

[Samie]

https://twitter.com/WhoScored/status/1768282183217656175

Highest rated U21 players in the #UEL this season:

◎ 7.77 - Florian Wirtz
◎ 7.51 - Joćo Neves
◎ 7.14 - Harvey Elliott

[cptrios]

Glad he didn't get a callup. Put him in a bacta tank for the next two weeks, please.

[Kashinoda]

Henderson over Elliot

[Chris~]

Harsh omission from the England squad, he's been brilliant the last few weeks.

Still, at least Sir Gareth Waistcoat has offered Kalvin Phillips a personal apology for not selecting him.

Attacking mid and right wing england have quite a bit of depth though. Maddison, Bellingham, Palmer, Gallagehr, Foden, Saka. All either playing really well themselves and/or trusted quite a bit by Southgate. Always was going to be hard for him to get in.

[Bread]

Harvey's still eligible for the u21's for another tournament cycle. I'd much rather he plays with them than with Waistcoat.

Says a lot about Southgate that we'd rather our young players spent time under the tutelage of Lee fucking Carsley.

[Coolie High]

Attacking mid and right wing england have quite a bit of depth though. Maddison, Bellingham, Palmer, Gallagehr, Foden, Saka. All either playing really well themselves and/or trusted quite a bit by Southgate. Always was going to be hard for him to get in.

Yep i don't get how anyone can be shocked he isn't in, the position he would play for England is the one with the most depth in the squad and has similar age players playing on a just as high or higher level, as first choice players, ( Palmer, Foden, Bellingham) as you mention.


Think it will be easier for Jones to break through into the squad when its all said and done because he is more of an orthodox 8 and can even play as a 6 in a pivot.

[Coolie High]

Says a lot about Southgate that we'd rather our young players spent time under the tutelage of Lee fucking Carsley.

Lee Carsley looks a decent coach if you've managed to catch any of the games involving England u21s.

[Chris~]

Yep i don't get how anyone can be shocked he isn't in, the position he would play for England is the one with the most depth in the squad and has similar age players playing on a just as high or higher level, as first choice players, ( Palmer, Foden, Bellingham) as you mention.


Think it will be easier for Jones to break through into the squad when its all said and done because he is more of an orthodox 8 and can even play as a 6 in a pivot.

Yeah think Jones would have been a certain call up. The choices for the 2 mids behind Bellingham are looking very weak. Only really Rice, Henderson and I guess Gallagher but that would seem quite attacking for Southgate. Wouldn't be surprised to see Gomez get minutes/a game in midfield

[AmanShah21]

Yeah think Jones would have been a certain call up. The choices for the 2 mids behind Bellingham are looking very weak. Only really Rice, Henderson and I guess Gallagher but that would seem quite attacking for Southgate. Wouldn't be surprised to see Gomez get minutes/a game in midfield

I would pick Harvey ahead of Maddison, Henderson and even Gallagher. He works his socks off, positionally brilliant, brilliant technique and only 20. A forward thinking manager would see how important it would be to integrate someone like him early into the team. He plays like a mature head already and protects the ball brilliantly, can pick a pass and has a good left foot strike anywhere on the pitch. Fitness wise, he is exceptional given how many minutes he's played with no breaks and not looked off it at all. He has shown that he can make a difference off the bench and catch up very quickly to a games tempo. Southgate is playing far too safe when he has so much talent available to him.

[Coolie High]

I would pick Harvey ahead of Maddison, Henderson and even Gallagher. He works his socks off, positionally brilliant, brilliant technique and only 20. A forward thinking manager would see how important it would be to integrate someone like him early into the team. He plays like a mature head already and protects the ball brilliantly, can pick a pass and has a good left foot strike anywhere on the pitch. Fitness wise, he is exceptional given how many minutes he's played with no breaks and not looked off it at all. He has shown that he can make a difference off the bench and catch up very quickly to a games tempo. Southgate is playing far too safe when he has so much talent available to him.

Maddison was on his way to being one of the best players in the league before his injury, and has had numerous seasons as one of the most creative players in the league... He has 7 assists in 17 games this season for example, he is a top player and a bit more advanced than Elliott due to his age.

Elliot over Gallagher and Henderson most certainly, but the issue is, his competition for the role he best suits are some of the best players in the English team and league.

Southgate is not playing it safe in this case, Foden Maddison Bellingham Palmer are enough number 10's for one squad, the squad needs a Jones far more than it does a Elliott at this current point in time.

[SamLad]

Henderson over Elliot

works for me. keep Harvey away from international games please.

[AmanShah21]

Maddison was on his way to being one of the best players in the league before his injury, and has had numerous seasons as one of the most creative players in the league... He has 7 assists in 17 games this season for example, he is a top player and a bit more advanced than Elliott due to his age.

Elliot over Gallagher and Henderson most certainly, but the issue is, his competition for the role he best suits are some of the best players in the English team and league.

Southgate is not playing it safe in this case, Foden Maddison Bellingham Palmer are enough number 10's for one squad, the squad needs a Jones far more than it does a Elliott at this current point in time.

Dont disagree that Maddison is a good player but his numbers are from a no.10 slot. England has better no.10s in Bellingham, Foden, and Palmer. Maddison is not great off the ball, easily worse than any of the 3 mentioned and Harvey as well. Harvey, in that regard will be a much more useful selection than maddison, especially off the bench because he can play in either of the 3 positions behind the front man and do a good job and in a crunch fill in as a number 8. I just think in this England squad, Maddison doesnt offer quite as much as Harvey.

[Knight]

Dont disagree that Maddison is a good player but his numbers are from a no.10 slot. England has better no.10s in Bellingham, Foden, and Palmer. Maddison is not great off the ball, easily worse than any of the 3 mentioned and Harvey as well. Harvey, in that regard will be a much more useful selection than maddison, especially off the bench because he can play in either of the 3 positions behind the front man and do a good job and in a crunch fill in as a number 8. I just think in this England squad, Maddison doesnt offer quite as much as Harvey.

If England need to score and want to replace one of the 3 attackers behind Kane to try and make it happen I’d of thought it makes a decent amount of sense to have Maddison over Elliot right now. If Southgate played a sole 6 with double 8s it’d be different but he basically plays a double pivot and Elliot probably doesn’t work there. Which leaves the atttack.

[spider-neil]

Harvey has to be the fittest player in the squad.

Henderson over Elliot

Southgate leans on experience.

[thaddeus]

He's better off being the main man with the U21s right now than being a bit part player for the main team

Without Palmer cramping his style he can run the show against... Erm... Azerbaijan and Luxembourg.

[harryc]

Not his best cameo that one.

[kloppismydad]

Let down by more senior players today.

[robertobaggio37]

Scored to give us 3-2 lead but that 'challenge' before they scored was just farcical, too soft there unfortunately.

[Funky_Gibbons]

Difficult ball to deal with really, question is why were we set up so short at the back for a last minute corner.

[jepovic]

Difficult ball to deal with really, question is why were we set up so short at the back for a last minute corner.

So dont deal with it then, just get rid of it

[Bastion Of Invincibility]

Thought Mainoo for them showed what a top young prospect actually looks like.

[JP!]

I think he's about the 15th person in line for any blame to be honest.

[mattD]

I think he's about the 15th person in line for any blame to be honest.

I agree. Harvey was the least of worries today.

[MonsLibpool]

He made a mistake for the goal but IMO he needs to start more. Added what we lacked: urgency

Scored a great goal- very clean strike.

[Schmidt]

Earlier in his time with us he was making those kinds of errors far too frequently but he's really come on leaps and bounds since then, so it's hard to be critical of one mistake, especially when we shouldn't have left ourselves short like that to begin with.

[Coolie High]

Thought Mainoo for them showed what a top young prospect actually looks like.

Mainoo is a top prospect, but doesn't mean Elliott isn't one too.

[SMASHerano]

He's been really excellent recently and scored what should have been the winner today if it wasn't for Nunez and him gifting them 2 goals.

[Kashinoda]

Thought Mainoo for them showed what a top young prospect actually looks like.

Elliot is leagues above, bizarre swipe that.

[BER]

Just too weak and slow for centre-mid unless we're completely dominating a game.

[lgvkarlos]

Thought Mainoo for them showed what a top young prospect actually looks like.

Excellent today and looks the best player in their team but look what our young players are doing, poor shout there I'm afraid.

[darragh85]

Thought Mainoo for them showed what a top young prospect actually looks like.

what a clown.

[Gili Gulu]

Thought he was the best of the subs by some way, but made a right mess with Endo that led to the fourth goal.
That's just one of those things for me.

The big problem for me was Gakpo, he was just generally very low energy, slow in his reactions, poor decision making and didn't work hard enough off the ball.

[shook]

Just too weak and slow for centre-mid unless we're completely dominating a game.

it's because he is a 10, he is a really good option however to have in a squad game, has won us 2-3 matches this year, I'd expect him to be pivotal in a couple more at least, he just cannot be used the way he was today, goal or not. Certain game situations are literally perfect for him, and opponents in those circumstances appear not to be able to counter him.

[wemmick]

Showed his age today. He was missing a little maturity for their fourth. I'll bet he doesn't do that again for a long time.

[Phineus]

Thought Mainoo for them showed what a top young prospect actually looks like.

 

[RedG13]

Difficult ball to deal with really, question is why were we set up so short at the back for a last minute corner.

This came up at Luton. It basically the same set up. The issue is turning the ball over there not the set up. You just cant turn it over there. Normally your smaller player cover deeper there.

[JackWard33]

This came up at Luton. It basically the same set up. The issue is turning the ball over there not the set up. You just cant turn it over there. Normally your smaller player cover deeper there.

What set up guarantees you won’t turn it over?!