Topic: SPOILERS The Chainless Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon Discussion

[Sangria]

Reading the latest quora dregs again, and the algorithm throws up "Prostitutes swarming Davos. If you think it is ALL work in Davos, you are wrong."

As I'd been reading ASoIAF threads, this puzzled me, as I didn't think the Onion Knight had it in him.

Disappointingly, it continues "in Davos where the world’s economic and political elite are meeting at the World Economic Forum. so are the most beautiful prostitutes and high class escorts providing the best of services that only money can buy".

[Nobby Reserve]

Another problem that GoT had to deal with throughout its run is that a large part of its cast, who got the jobs initially due to budgetary reasons and the fact it was an unknown and a risk, were actually bad actors. All of the Stark children for example

Woah!

Maisie Williams was brilliant from start to finish (unnecessary Gendry bed scene notwithstanding).

[Sangria]

Woah!

Maisie Williams was brilliant from start to finish (unnecessary Gendry bed scene notwithstanding).

And Lyanna Mormont was sorely wounded in battle, but it turns out she was uniquely immune to the Night King's magic, and does not turn into a zombie.

[jillcwhomever]

Woah!

Maisie Williams was brilliant from start to finish (unnecessary Gendry bed scene notwithstanding).

It made me laugh that post, talk about generalising!

[Brian Blessed]

It’s a weird post. You’re allowed to enjoy this and HotD, it’s okay to like different things. But you can’t like Picard or Discovery.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

Planning a trip to Belfast later this year and was wondering if anyone had done the studio or locations tour and if it was worth doing.

I might struggle to get the rest of my lot to go watch me being a total nerd for the day though.

[afc tukrish]

Planning a trip to Belfast later this year and was wondering if anyone had done the studio or locations tour and if it was worth doing.

I might struggle to get the rest of my lot to go watch me being a total nerd for the day though.

Chain them together and drag them along...

[jillcwhomever]

A teaser and look ahead to series two of House of the Dragon.

https://youtu.be/p43vCigJ3Ec?si=PG2APGvvzFeA9H_N

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I hate his videos because he's already spoiled part of S2 for me.

[jillcwhomever]

There is a House of the Dragon panel tonight in Brazil, strong rumours a trailer will be dropped for series two.

[The G in Gerrard]

There is a House of the Dragon panel tonight in Brazil, strong rumours a trailer will be dropped for series two.

Will definitely need to watch season 1 as I've pretty much forgotten about it (although I did enjoy it).

[jillcwhomever]

Will definitely need to watch season 1 as I've pretty much forgotten about it (although I did enjoy it).

I will probably do the same myself, we haven't got a start date yet for series two but series three is about to be planned for. I wonder if it's earlier than normal or whether it will be the same time.

[jillcwhomever]

First look at series two.

https://x.com/westerosies/status/1731004962350518731?s=20

[jillcwhomever]

Spoiler

We straight away get in that trailer a glimpse of the Cargyll brothers fighting, possibly the Dragonseeds, Grey Ghost and the start of the start of the Blood and Cheese, I am not looking forward to that! People have to be prepared for the fact that in this series there will be loads of people and dragons dying.

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[The G in Gerrard]

First look at series two.

https://x.com/westerosies/status/1731004962350518731?s=20

Brilliant. Hopefully it's early summer it's released.

[Henry Gale]

Looks like it could be delayed a bit. They are having to re shoot some of the battle scenes apparently. Hopefully not for too long. 

[Henry Gale]

So much for the delay! Season 2 has been confirmed for June.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/news/house-of-the-dragon-season-2-confirms-release-window/ar-AA1jhISy?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=736f81052e7b4024e9483ab988ed9eed&ei=5

[jillcwhomever]

I am not ready for it, there are going to be some gruesome bits in it this series. 

[Henry Gale]

I am not ready for it, there are going to be some gruesome bits in it this series. 

Same, bit different to Game Of Thrones as I've read fire and blood so I know what's coming. Be interesting to see how they do it on screen though.

[jillcwhomever]

Same, bit different to Game Of Thrones as I've read fire and blood so I know what's coming. Be interesting to see how they do it on screen though.

Same here, I read it when it first came out and thought they won't be able to do justice to that! I will be watching everything behind my fingers I think. 

[Henry Gale]

Same here, I read it when it first came out and thought they won't be able to do justice to that! I will be watching everything behind my fingers I think. 

It will start straight away too! I've already thought how the first episode will go 

The battle scenes later on in the season should be amazing viewing.

[jillcwhomever]

It will start straight away too! I've already thought how the first episode will go 

The battle scenes later on in the season should be amazing viewing.

Spoiler

Helena was one of my favourite characters when I first read the book. Afterwards I though it was inevitable as she was way too gentle a soul born into a family of total sharks! It's interesting that in targeting Helena,Rhaenyra seriously loses any support she had among the people there. But it's all very George RR Martin somehow. 

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[Henry Gale]

Spoiler

Helena was one of my favourite characters when I first read the book. Afterwards I though it was inevitable as she was way too gentle a soul born into a family of total sharks! It's interesting that in targeting Helena,Rhaenyra seriously loses any support she had among the people there. But it's all very George RR Martin somehow. 

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Yeah I agree, think it's safe to say there won't really be any good guys as they both will do hideous things to win the war! Everyone was team black at the end of the first series but that will soon change 

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[jillcwhomever]

This is a really good video on Jon Snow which tells his story from the books rather than what we see in the actual show. It's a long listen but it really makes me kind of sad to see how much of Jon's story was sacrificed in Game of Thrones. He comes out of this a much more interesting but also complex character, as he is forced to make a number of moral choices as to who is truly is. The fun of it is at the end as he tries to second guess what may happen in the books, should we ever get them (I know!). But another reason why it's fascinating to listen to this, especially for people who haven't read the books, it explains perfectly why so many people found Jon boring in the show, when in actual fact he is one of the most interesting characters rather than the dull one in the show. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSy2uaJ7ecU&t=3575s

[Sangria]

This is a really good video on Jon Snow which tells his story from the books rather than what we see in the actual show. It's a long listen but it really makes me kind of sad to see how much of Jon's story was sacrificed in Game of Thrones. He comes out of this a much more interesting but also complex character, as he is forced to make a number of moral choices as to who is truly is. The fun of it is at the end as he tries to second guess what may happen in the books, should we ever get them (I know!). But another reason why it's fascinating to listen to this, especially for people who haven't read the books, it explains perfectly why so many people found Jon boring in the show, when in actual fact he is one of the most interesting characters rather than the dull one in the show. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSy2uaJ7ecU&t=3575s

A video, possibly by the same author, theorises that the very first chapter of Game of Thrones shows the Others looking for the prophesied incarnation of the Last Hero, a Stark armed with a Valyrian steel sword. Hence half a dozen Others surrounding Waymar Royce while one of them tests his mettle (and metal). Once they establish that this guy who definitely looks the part (having been informed of his presence in the Watch by Craster) isn't who they're looking for, they move in and hack him to pieces.

Another theory goes that some of the old Starks were in cahoots with the Others, with the ruling line at least turning a blind eye to the tradition of prima nocte and the sacrifice of subsequent bastards to the Others via the Nightfort. That being stopped by Alysanne Targaryen, who stopped the tradition, formalised the abandonment of the Nightfort, and strengthened the Watch.

[jillcwhomever]

A video, possibly by the same author, theorises that the very first chapter of Game of Thrones shows the Others looking for the prophesied incarnation of the Last Hero, a Stark armed with a Valyrian steel sword. Hence half a dozen Others surrounding Waymar Royce while one of them tests his mettle (and metal). Once they establish that this guy who definitely looks the part (having been informed of his presence in the Watch by Craster) isn't who they're looking for, they move in and hack him to pieces.

Another theory goes that some of the old Starks were in cahoots with the Others, with the ruling line at least turning a blind eye to the tradition of prima nocte and the sacrifice of subsequent bastards to the Others via the Nightfort. That being stopped by Alysanne Targaryen, who stopped the tradition, formalised the abandonment of the Nightfort, and strengthened the Watch.

He did this video on the Others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih_ZAGCfMY0

I am pretty sure I listened to another one by David Lightbringer which was about the Stark and the Others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZwR79_OfVI&list=PLEHvft-cyPmCdekSGSTbv352lS3jJGcc0&index=3&pp=iAQB

There are so many of these type of videos out there now. We may have to listen to these as I doubt we'll get the books. 

This is an interesting video on Asshai in the Shadowlands and whether Dany will actually go there, as he's taking her further away from there in the books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY-B54FxlZM&t=1292s

[leinad]

I bought the book for this when the first season ended but never got round to starting it for numerous reasons, I'm kind of glad now that I can go into the new season blind! For anyone that has read the book how many seasons do you think we will get out of it?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I bought the book for this when the first season ended but never got round to starting it for numerous reasons, I'm kind of glad now that I can go into the new season blind! For anyone that has read the book how many seasons do you think we will get out of it?

That little spoiler bitch in GOT deserved a burning, just wish they'd gagged her.

[jillcwhomever]

That little spoiler bitch in GOT deserved a burning, just wish they'd gagged her.

Who was that?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Who was that?

The Onion Knights daughter.

[BER]

That little spoiler bitch in GOT deserved a burning, just wish they'd gagged her.

[Jambo Power]

Only watched the final episode of this last night and had avoided this thread until now.

Unfortunately I see some of the same shit-posts that are in the LotR thread. The first thing I would say is that it isn’t a competition. I actually enjoyed both shows. HotD is the better quality show overall, but LotR is much better visually and that counts for something. But guess what, both these shows can and will co-exist.

My second gripe is with those saying this wasn’t as good as even latter stage GoT. I can’t really argue with that, on these forums you will also find people who enjoy Picard and Discovery and there’s no arguing with that kind of opinion. But for me HoT is better than at LEAST the final two seasons of GoT I’m sure because GRRM had more to do with the writing.

Another problem that GoT had to deal with throughout its run is that a large part of its cast, who got the jobs initially due to budgetary reasons and the fact it was an unknown and a risk, were actually bad actors. All of the Stark children for example, although Robb’s actor has become very good since then. The cast in HotD are uniformly brilliant. I would say Paddy Considine puts in the best performance playing the best role in all of the shows.

My final observations is that those who came away from the finale buzzing about the setup of a war of dragons in S2 - you haven’t really been paying attention have you? Wars are the afterthought in this world. There was only one war scene/episode of note in all of GoT and the most impactful ones were dealt with (correctly) off-screen. This is not Star Wars with dragons.

If you have read fire and blood, you would be absolutely forgiven for that insinuation, so im not sure who actually hasnt been paying attention? As for there only being one war scene of note in game of thrones? Somebody most certainly wasnt paying attention whatsoever.

[jillcwhomever]

The Onion Knights daughter.

I hated Stannis from that moment on.

[Sangria]

The Onion Knights daughter.

Did she reveal spoilers? Wasn't following, so I must have missed it.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Did she reveal spoilers? Wasn't following, so I must have missed it.

Yeah, can't remember if it was when she was teaching him how to read or when she was talking to the worlds No1 Farther, just before they burnt the witch.

[Sangria]

Yeah, can't remember if it was when she was teaching him how to read or when she was talking to the worlds No1 Farther, just before they burnt the witch.

I remember  the scene now. A bit harsh to call her a spoiler bitch for that, given that the story hadn't yet been fully fleshed out by GRRM. Joffrey spoiled it too in another scene.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I remember  the scene now. A bit harsh to call her a spoiler bitch for that, given that the story hadn't yet been fully fleshed out by GRRM. Joffrey spoiled it too in another scene.

You do realise that I was joking, burning was too good for her, a death like Joffreys would've been a better punishment.

[Trada]

A Black and Green Trailer released for season 2

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/YX5OnEPwDUs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/YX5OnEPwDUs</a>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/9Him8OR5rCI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/9Him8OR5rCI</a>

[Henry Gale]

Looks good!

This season is going to be brutal 

[jillcwhomever]

Are we ready?