Topic: Slovenia v England

[JerseyKloppite]

Never understand why players go crazy after obvious free kicks are given against them.

If you're trying to put doubt in a ref's mind that's one thing, but when you blunder into someone like Kempl did, a clear foul, then what's the point? You just look an idiot and he got booked for it.

[Gnurglan]

3-2 FT

[Kopenhagen]

The problem is almost nobody plays 3 at the back in England, it would be career suicide, his options for who to play for would be limited.

Just play him at RB. He's a utility man like Milner, a decent 6-7/10 in most midfield positions and at fullback, but never a consistent 9/10 anywhere.

[JLStretton]

good game that, enjoyed it

[Redman0151]

100% record keeps, good result and created a lot of chances

[Caston]

Decent game that

[El Lobo]

Famous win.

Well played Hendo, definite future England captain as well as obviously Liverpool.

[ConqueredAllOfEurope]

Haha "unstoppable"

[HighSix]

Just play him at RB. He's a utility man like Milner, a decent 6-7/10 in most midfield positions and at fullback, but never a consistent 9/10 anywhere.

We would need to sign some pretty good & productive center mids to allow that... Probably cheaper to sign a RB.

[JerseyKloppite]

Just play him at RB. He's a utility man like Milner, a decent 6-7/10 in most midfield positions and at fullback, but never a consistent 9/10 anywhere.

I disagree, I think he's an 8 at CM and could be a 9 if he works at it/develops fully. I just think that he has the right skillset to play at RB/RWB also, as Gerrard did if he'd have wanted to. Defensive OR box-to-box midfielders often have similar skills to wing backs (high energy, positioning, passing, tackling, pressing) so it's no great surprise.

[Packalacky]

Famous win.

Well played Hendo, definite future England captain as well as obviously Liverpool.

 

[Fordy]

Just play him at RB. He's a utility man like Milner, a decent 6-7/10 in most midfield positions and at fullback, but never a consistent 9/10 anywhere.

Agree... He isn't good enough to be a CM or AM. Think he would be better suited at fullback/wing back and could be a top, top player there.

[Pistolero]

two shite teams, one marginally less shite than the other...

[Packalacky]

I disagree, I think he's an 8 at CM and could be a 9 if he works at it/develops fully. I just think that he has the right skillset to play at RB/RWB also, as Gerrard did if he'd have wanted to. Defensive OR box-to-box midfielders often have similar skills to wing backs (high energy, positioning, passing, tackling, passing) so it's no great surprise.

When has he ever put in an 8/10 performance in MF?

[wemmick]

Agree.

He'd have to work a hell of a lot on his positioning. He's just like Can there. He has a tendency to cheat into midfield, and the defense loses its shape against the counter.

His defending of crosses needs work too. It would be a big ask when he already knows how to play well as a midfield engine (and passer).

[Crosby Nick]

We can't stop winning even when giving shit goals away. Quite amusing.

[The G in Gerrard]

Just play him at RB. He's a utility man like Milner, a decent 6-7/10 in most midfield positions and at fullback, but never a consistent 9/10 anywhere.

He shouldn't be right back at all.

[El Lobo]

We would need to sign some pretty good & productive center mids to allow that... Probably cheaper to sign a RB.

Kovacic

Then Milner and Lallana as pressing wide players.

[Red Sea]

When has he ever put in an 8/10 performance in MF?

Spurs away 13-14 is the only time.
We would be  a much better team if we had someone with wilshere's poise and ability on the ball, with, or instead of the Hendog.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

When was the last time England had a tough qualifying group for a major competition?, this seeding malarkey is a nonsense, if England get drawn with Spain, Italy and Germany in a group then so what?, qualifying is a procession now.

[El Lobo]

The thickest post match interview ever. Might as well point the camera at a brick and a sausage.

[markedasred]

If me auntie had bollocks she'd be me uncle.

What's in your aunties Y fronts will never be any of your business.

But what I really came on here to say is, if Raheem's Knee is bolloxed, what a turn on the axis the world takes. Who wants to buy a crock?

[-Willo-]

That was a surprisingly good game, expected a 0-1 or 0-2 boring one...

[Redman0151]

When was the last time England had a tough qualifying group for a major competition?, this seeding malarkey is a nonsense, if England get drawn with Spain, Italy and Germany in a group then so what?, qualifying is a procession now.

Nobody wants to watch Euro 2016 if half of the good teams have already been knocked out in qualifying.


Seeding works just fine

[Kopenhagen]

I disagree, I think he's an 8 at CM and could be a 9 if he works at it/develops fully. I just think that he has the right skillset to play at RB/RWB also, as Gerrard did if he'd have wanted to. Defensive OR box-to-box midfielders often have similar skills to wing backs (high energy, positioning, passing, tackling, pressing) so it's no great surprise.

He can't really carry a ball in midfield, though, and his brain & touch are lacking. He can't control a game in midfield, set the tempo, and is poor in tight spaces. It's no surprise his best season for us was last year, when we never had much control in that area of the pitch and he was basically a piano carrier rather than a conductor (I know his productivity was better this year but he went missing a lot); his function was just to do the donkey work for Gerrard and pass the ball to Coutinho/Sturridge/Sterling/Luis and wait for something to happen. Facing goal as a CM in a 433, yeah, he's probably a 7-8/10; that's his best position in midfield but in any other shape I think his level drops.

[rafathegaffa83]

Nobody wants to watch Euro 2016 if half of the good teams have already been knocked out in qualifying

And yet Euro 2008 was boss. It had no England and were France were crap

[The Fletcher Memorial]

What a commanding lead England has there in their group of Europe's power houses! Unstoppable. 

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=2016/standings/round=2000446/group=2002432/index.html

[Redman0151]

And yet Euro 2008 was boss. It had no England and were France were crap

2 qualifying groups get drawn:

Spain
Germany
Netherlands
Italy
Portugal
England

and

Liechtenstein    
 Faroe Islands    
 Malta    
 Andorra    
 San Marino    
 Gibraltar


Seeding stops crap like this from happening.


Imagine Liverpool finished 4th, and they decided we needed to play Real Madrid to qualify for the CL, rather than some Eastern European pub team. Wouldn't be fair.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Nobody wants to watch Euro 2016 if half of the good teams have already been knocked out in qualifying.


Seeding works just fine

So you're all for maintaining the status quo then?, it's a completely unfair system.

[Redman0151]

So you're all for maintaining the status quo then?, it's a completely unfair system.

Not really, if a team is good enough then they'll qualify.

Greece, Russia, Bosnia are first seeds and Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Czech republic, Hungary and Ireland 2nd seeds.

2 teams qualify from each group, and the 3rd team goes into a playoff.

If you're a decent team you'll qualify, and keep building up coefficient points

[CHOPPER]

Sad that Lee Dixon of all people speaks more sense abar Henderson, than half a dozen or so of the quilts in this place. 

[Crosby Nick]

So you're all for maintaining the status quo then?, it's a completely unfair system.

Teams get rewarded for doing well in qualifying. See Iceland and Wales amongst others.

[Statto Red]

Not really, if a team is good enough then they'll qualify.

Greece, Russia, Bosnia are first seeds and Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Czech republic, Hungary and Ireland 2nd seeds.

2 teams qualify from each group, and the 3rd team goes into a playoff.

If you're a decent team you'll qualify, and keep building up coefficient points

Slightly wrong, the highest placed 3rd place team automatically qualifies as well, with the rest of the 3rd placed teams going to playoffs.

[Fordy]

He can't really carry a ball in midfield, though, and his brain & touch are lacking. He can't control a game in midfield, set the tempo, and is poor in tight spaces. It's no surprise his best season for us was last year, when we never had much control in that area of the pitch and he was basically a piano carrier rather than a conductor (I know his productivity was better this year but he went missing a lot); his function was just to do the donkey work for Gerrard and pass the ball to Coutinho/Sturridge/Sterling/Luis and wait for something to happen. Facing goal as a CM in a 433, yeah, he's probably a 7-8/10; that's his best position in midfield but in any other shape I think his level drops.

Nailed it mate.

Totally nailed it.

[Upinsmoke]

I think Jordan's best position is the inside right side of a diamond. This position suits him as you need his energy, you need somebody who is comfortable outwide, decent cross and also from deep (the goal he set up for Sturridge?) He can also break the lines from this position. But you need forwards who run the channels, Sturridge/Origi for example. Like wise milner is the mirror image on the left inside

With somebody like kovacic at the Base and coutinho at the point with attacking full backs (moreno and Clyne)

OK I derailed the fuck out of this but yeah!!!!

[Miltonred]

So you're all for maintaining the status quo then?, it's a completely unfair system.

Its not unfair at all. Look at Wales, it happens that they are good enough to get to the top of their group and looks like they'll qualify. What you are suggesting is that teams which aren't good enough to qualify get an easy group so that they do.

What seeding does is prevent good teams being knocked out because they are up against too many other good teams in the same group.

[hollger]

The thickest post match interview ever. Might as well point the camera at a brick and a sausage.

Why's this Wilshere goal being hailed as one of the best ever England goals? Granted I've only seen it from when Lallana back-heels it - but it looks just "OK" to me? Is there a lot more to it (in terms of team play or something) that I've missed? Just seems a bit OTT all this 'top 10 ever' stuff.

[Crosby Nick]

Why's this Wilshere goal being hailed as one of the best ever England goals? Granted I've only seen it from when Lallana back-heels it - but it looks just "OK" to me? Is there a lot more to it (in terms of team play or something) that I've missed? Just seems a bit OTT all this 'top 10 ever' stuff.

It started midway in the England half where someone (wasn't watching closely) took a Slovenia player out of the equation and set Henderson motoring away. Was just one of those rare goals that actually finished off a move where from way back you could see that something could be on. Pretty nice finish too.

Lethal break at pace with a lovely slick and a cracking finish. If we're being fair if that goal had been scored by a different country we'd probably be praising it a lot more.

[redan]

Why's this Wilshere goal being hailed as one of the best ever England goals? Granted I've only seen it from when Lallana back-heels it - but it looks just "OK" to me? Is there a lot more to it (in terms of team play or something) that I've missed? Just seems a bit OTT all this 'top 10 ever' stuff.

It was a very good goal, whether it's top 10 or not I don't know but I can't remember many better in my lifetime (I'm 29)

There was great play down the wing by Townsend and Henderson, Henderson's perfect slide rule pass took a couple of players out of the game, Lallana's first time flick to Wilshere was sublime and Wilshere's finish from 30 yards could not have been any better. If you could pick your ideal spot it still wouldn't have been as good as that finish.

I clapped in appreciation when I saw it 

[hollger]

Ah alright, that's fair enough. I'll see if I can find a longer clip on 'tube. I assumed there had to be more to it than just the flick and thump that I'd seen on vine! I know the press is terribly OTT (in both positive/negative) for the national team so you never know