Topic: Joël Matip (Job Joël André Matip)

[Carra-ton]

I don't think people realize how good he has been to our game in possession the last two games. Numerous occasions, both Spurs and Leicester tried to cut off all passing avenues from the centre backs. And, it was Matip's composure which meant, their press didn't yield any results. He just held on to the ball till a pass appeared, or if pressed hard could just dribble around the man and run forward. He is too good. I haven't felt this good watching a new signing who is not a attacker since 2004 when I watched Xabi for the first time. I know this is high praise, but that is how good his composure on the ball has been.
Another thing, he is so cultured as a footballer that even his clearances are like passes with the instep.
His defending has been good too, but he is far more than his defending. What Stones is to Guardiola, Matip is to us.
Fantastic, hope he keeps improving to greater things.

[clinical]

I do wonder how much that ankle issue hindered him during pre season.

[redk84]

Probably the most exciting prospect of this season, is the emergence of Matip.
(And Karius, tho still waiting to see him play)

If we can keep him fit and he can establish himself as a solid CB it will do us a world of good in whatever we end up chasing come the end of the season.

Like his calmness on the ball

[Gifted Right Foot]

Bargain of the season when you see what some of the other cbs have cost.  Really odd how easily it was for us to pick him up as well but i'll take it. 

[supaerheraw]

He's obviously a very good defender. Mistakes will come inevitably, but it feels like nothing faces him. One of the players of the season is Ma-tip. 

[AlphaDelta]

One thing I noticed about Matip which I liked was in the seconds after Lucas's brain fart against Leicester, Matip was straight over to him clapping and getting behind him. None of this swearing or screaming at him, or just walking away.

Its only a little thing, but a nice touch and showing leadership qualities in defence.

[SwordInYourGut]

Reminds me a bit of Hyypia. So composed and commanding. It may even help Mig to become a better, more assured GK!! That's if he doesn't lose his place

Matip is lightening quick

[plura]

Probably the most exciting prospect of this season, is the emergence of Matip.
(And Karius, tho still waiting to see him play)

If we can keep him fit and he can establish himself as a solid CB it will do us a world of good in whatever we end up chasing come the end of the season.

Like his calmness on the ball

More than Mane? But yeah he's been impressive, and yeah our defence has been crying out for some most needed quality additions.

[ass sitting midfielder]

Not enough muscle to batter the likes of Costa etc, needs to bulk up. Joel Matip 195cm 89kg - James Harden 196cm 102kg.

[.adam]

Not enough muscle to batter the likes of Costa etc, needs to bulk up. Joel Matip 195cm 89kg - James Harden 196cm 102kg.

It's a different game.

Come back when he gets bullied. Because it hasn't happened yet.

[ass sitting midfielder]

It's a different game.

Come back when he gets bullied. Because it hasn't happened yet.

Kind of happened already, twice he lost a tussle for position with Alderweireld prior to corner kick.

[Paul JH]

One thing I noticed about Matip which I liked was in the seconds after Lucas's brain fart against Leicester, Matip was straight over to him clapping and getting behind him. None of this swearing or screaming at him, or just walking away.

Its only a little thing, but a nice touch and showing leadership qualities in defence.

Noticed that too. Quality from him to be honest, shows his character.

[Petadroli]

Kind of happened already, twice he lost a tussle for position with Alderweireld prior to corner kick.

Alderweireld is 1.87m and 81 kilos, so your point is?

[.adam]

Alderweireld is 1.87m and 81 kilos, so your point is?

His point is that if anybody ever loses a battle for a header it means that the losing party must put on more weight.

[Petadroli]

His point is that if anybody ever loses a battle for a header it means that the losing party must put on more weight.

Ah, yes! Thanks for clearing that up!

[Spanish Al]

Not enough muscle to batter the likes of Costa etc, needs to bulk up. Joel Matip 195cm 89kg - James Harden 196cm 102kg.

Aye I remember that Hansen fella was a big, bulky defender.

Rolls Royce of a centre half we have here. If Mama could settle alongside him our passing out from the back would be brilliant.

[ass sitting midfielder]

His point is that if anybody ever loses a battle for a header it means that the losing party must put on more weight.

Nice hyperbole there mate. Its for all to see that Matip is on a light side considering his height. He puts in a few kilograms and we have one scary monster in the heart of our defence. Lovren is no giant either so I think it would balance it out if Matip got stronger.

Hes a great defender. Not sure why people have to jump on a poster when there is a bit of "negativity" said about a player. Joel is not going to be bullied as it is. All I´m saying is bulking up would help him to dominate. Hitting a gym has certainly worked for Origi, nothing wrong with suggestion it would help Matip too.

 

[Chalky Boots]

Not enough muscle to batter the likes of Costa etc, needs to bulk up. Joel Matip 195cm 89kg - James Harden 196cm 102kg.

Sami Hyypia - 193cm 88kg
Rio Ferdinand - 189cm 87kg

It literally means nothing how heavy you weigh so long as you're not a twig.

James Harden also wouldn't last 20minutes of top flight football..

[the_red_pill]

Sami Hyypia - 193cm 88kg
Rio Ferdinand - 189cm 87kg

It literally means nothing how heavy you weigh so long as you're not a twig.

James Harden also wouldn't last 20minutes of top flight football..

The heavier they weigh... the harder it is to jump anyway..

[ElMagico]

Nice hyperbole there mate. Its for all to see that Matip is on a light side considering his height. He puts in a few kilograms and we have one scary monster in the heart of our defence. Lovren is no giant either so I think it would balance it out if Matip got stronger.

Hes a great defender. Not sure why people have to jump on a poster when there is a bit of "negativity" said about a player. Joel is not going to be bullied as it is. All I´m saying is bulking up would help him to dominate. Hitting a gym has certainly worked for Origi, nothing wrong with suggestion it would help Matip too.

 

Ah yes, Lovren, the player who got nudged off the ball by Harry Kane, who happens to weigh almost 2 stone lighter than him. Weight means everything does it?

[Solomon Grundy]

Lovren is no giant either

How tall does he need to be? He's 6' 2". That's plenty tall enough for a CB.

[USCouse]

Not enough muscle to batter the likes of Costa etc, needs to bulk up. Joel Matip 195cm 89kg - James Harden 196cm 102kg.

fair enough, Harden is a quality defender

[CraigDS]

Not enough muscle to batter the likes of Costa etc, needs to bulk up. Joel Matip 195cm 89kg - James Harden 196cm 102kg.

Muscle and/or weight won't necessarily make him any stronger than he is now.

You can be 5ft 5in and weight 70kg and be stronger on the pitch than someone who is 6ft 5in and 110kg.

[riismeister]

Muscle and/or weight won't necessarily make him any stronger than he is now.

You can be 5ft 5in and weight 70kg and be stronger on the pitch than someone who is 6ft 5in and 110kg.

But could you dunk?

[diegoLFC7]

Why are we comparing Matip to a basketball player?

[ass sitting midfielder]

Muscle and/or weight won't necessarily make him any stronger than he is now.

You can be 5ft 5in and weight 70kg and be stronger on the pitch than someone who is 6ft 5in and 110kg.

So you disagree with an idea that a tall fella looking slim would be better off with a bit of muscle/weight - especially in this hurly-burly nature of Premierleague?

[CraigDS]

So you disagree with an idea that a tall fella looking slim would be better off with a bit of muscle/weight - especially in this hurly-burly nature of Premierleague?

I'm saying simply shoving more weight/muscle on him wouldn't mean he is any stronger and more able to handle the 'hurly-burly'. The thought is a myth, and a pretty old school way of thinking which is way outdated in modern fitness and conditioning.

It's more about knowing how to use your body, your balance, and your general core strength.

[ass sitting midfielder]

You are right Craig, Im an old fart and like a bit of a bruising from a big man. No idea about modern conditioning. Just thinking Origi who was so easily bullied off the ball puts on 10kg and looks so much better for it. This muscle gain never deteriorating his speed, balance or general way of play.

[MrRaptorTurtle]

I'm saying simply shoving more weight/muscle on him wouldn't mean he is any stronger and more able to handle the 'hurly-burly'. The thought is a myth, and a pretty old school way of thinking which is way outdated in modern fitness and conditioning.

It's more about knowing how to use your body, your balance, and your general core strength.

Yup, Suarez and Tevez are examples that come to mind, not super tall players but can shift their weight around enough to bully some of the strongest defenders.

[ElMagico]

So you disagree with an idea that a tall fella looking slim would be better off with a bit of muscle/weight - especially in this hurly-burly nature of Premierleague?

What are your thoughts on Martin Skrtel by the way? 6'4 and about 80kg? Barely a monster was he?

[redk84]

More than Mane? But yeah he's been impressive, and yeah our defence has been crying out for some most needed quality additions.

Yes!
Ok maybe not in the obvious way...

But because it feels like it's been ages since we've had a cb pairing that we could rely on for possibly years to come.

[ass sitting midfielder]

What are your thoughts on Martin Skrtel by the way? 6'4 and about 80kg? Barely a monster was he?

Dont like to talk about past Liverpool players mate. Im focused on present. Matip is a great signing. Was just asking if hes not  twiggy a bit. I was told no, he is perfect and any doubt about Matip is just stupid. So I go home

[CHOPPER]

I'm 5ft 8" and weigh 69Kg. I could of made it, if I wasn't so shit.

[Kopenhagen]

Why are we comparing Matip to a basketball player?

Especially one who has been criticized for his weight, too. 

[Chakan]

People love to complain. He reminds me of Agger. Hard ball playing defender.

[ass sitting midfielder]

People love to complain. He reminds me of Agger. Hard ball playing defender.

Who is complaining mate? There was just a thought Matip could be a monster if more muscular. Some touchy fellas said its a stupid idea. Chopper said he is not good enough to start tomorrow. Thats about it

[Chakan]

Who is complaining mate? There was just a thought Matip could be a monster if more muscular. Some touchy fellas said its a stupid idea. Chopper said he is not good enough to start tomorrow. Thats about it

Chopper is joking. I don't think he's said a serious thing for about 9 years.

Agger wasn't particularly bulky in the muscle department, didn't need to be. He was however very muscular. Wirey I think they call it.

[God's Left Peg]

I'm 5ft 8" and weigh 69Kg. I could of made it, if I wasn't so shit.

I put on 1 stone after 2 weeks in an all inclusive. I'm still shit. Only fatter.

[Bobinhood]

The way he boxed out Vardy in the box, even got the kick and left him talking to himself, on Vardys bread and butter first and strongest to the ball trick no less, was pure class. He's the best defender in the league.

[Nessy76]

You are right Craig, Im an old fart and like a bit of a bruising from a big man.

 

How has this not earned a CT?