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Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« on: January 12, 2002, 09:51:02 am »
Banished high in the top southeast corner of the Kop like a miniature Soviet Gulag, several hundred snotty-nosed urchins would cram together for each home game – extras from Oliver Twist – screaming, fighting, spitting and supporting the Mighty Reds from the Boys’ Pen. This was Anfield 1961.

Many had graduated from the three-quarter-time brigade.  Those kids who would walk from the far corners of Liverpool, or bunk on the bus, to stand outside the ground for the entire match so we could slip in when the gates opened after 70 minutes to let fans out.  We would swarm in and quickly disperse throughout the Kop trying to find a spec with a view.  I still think of matches reaching three-quarter time even today.

We would then walk home with the crowds of grown ups skipping alongside the men with the scarves, flat caps and rattles, listening to the chat and pretending we had been there all the time.  In our minds we had seen the entire first half and early second half action even though we had only heard the roars and the oohs and aahhs from outside the massive Cathedral that is Anfield.  

We used to imagine the action as we waited for three-quarter time.  The mental pictures were far superior to anything Sky could serve up and our analysis was a league apart from that offered by Andy Grey today.  We would play out imaginary scenes outside the ground kicking punctured plastic footballs covered in dog dirt against the huge doors at the Kop end until they finally opened.  My heart would rise and fall on the waves of sound coming from the ground.  You could tell which half Liverpool were in, the amount of possession they had, whether they were going through a lull or attack-attack-attacking like a mighty red wave.  

Sometimes the more daring would try to dart under the turnstile as an adult went through before the match but I never did – I was always afraid of getting caught.  Those were the days when officials would thump you and if you complained to your dad he would thump you too for doing something that deserved a thumping!  Three quarter time was my only way of seeing Liverpool as they rose from the old Second Division to the First Division – the wonderful First Division (that promotion was a wonderful experience) - in those glory days before the Premiership.

I can’t remember, but I think there was an age limit for the Boys’ Pen, unless you were accompanied.  That must have been the case because, as an only child, I remember asking older lads to say I was their little brother and get me in.  The trouble is, the kids who went on the Boys’ Pen were hard.  You had to be a survivor even to queue up.  You could not show fear.  Fear would be pounced on.  There were no away fans but the number of scraps before, during and after the match was scary.  The Kop was warm and friendly – the Boys’ Pen was angry, aggressive and mean.

But I remember clearly my first experience on the Boys’ Pen.  I remember the fear as I climbed smelly concrete stairs higher and higher and the exhilaration when I finally came round a grey/white/yellow concrete wall and looked down on Anfield.  I don’t think I’d been as high in any man-made structure before in my life.  I must have been 10 or 11.

I remember being hungry and thirsty.  Breakfast and lunch didn’t exist on match days except for “give us a chip mate”.  And we never dressed for the weather.  There were lots of cold, wet, hungry, smelly kids on the Boys’ Pen.

And I remember when you got in and legged it up the stairs and looked out over Anfield that the ground was empty.  The tradition in the Boys’ Pen was to get in early, try to get to the front and then, if you were hard enough, try to escape.  All that effort to get in and all we wanted to make an escape bid.  The Kop was our freedom.  The Boys’ Pen was a transit camp to heaven.  It was a rite of passage for any Liverpool kid in the 60’s.

And so the regular pre-match entertainment got underway.  As the Kop filled up the boys in the Pen got braver and braver.  One by one kids would make a dash for freedom.  Some would climb the railings to the point where they almost met the rafters.  They would sway on the top risking broken limbs or being impaled on rusty metal – just because you had too.

Perhaps it was a testosterone thing, perhaps it was claiming hierarchy in some local gang, perhaps it was just survival, but it was risky, brave and awesome to watch.  Other kids would create a diversion by staging a mock fight – or was it real – nearby.  The police and stewards would race to the scene trying to prevent some kid getting his head kicked in and the bid for freedom would begin in earnest.

Once on the top of the railings the kid would balance.  Sometimes an official would pull the child’s leg to stop him jumping – that always seemed the more dangerous option.  The Kop would cheer and chant, a fireman’s blanket of fans would gather to catch the kid and it was all over in seconds.  The urchin would leap, the Kop would catch, and the kid would fall to the ground and, like a rat up a sewer, would disappear from view in the blink of an eye.  The Kop would let out a mighty roar, the Boys’ Pen would let out a mighty squeal and the next escapee would line up, as the next decoy scrap would begin.

I can’t really remember making a bid for freedom.  I can remember trying but I also remember enjoying my time on the Boys’ Pen and singing so hard my chest, throat and head hurt.  We thought we sounded great.  Our job was to re-ignite the Kop when they had gone quite.  I didn’t realise until I claimed my spec on the Kop the following season that we were producing an ear-splitting cacophony of screeching that was painful.  The Kop only joined in to drown out the kids on the Boys’ Pen.

When I first took my lads to the family section at the back of the Kop I pointed out where the Boys’ Pen was.  The youngest asked me to explain what it was.  “Another day son, it doesn’t make sense these days”.   It is a rite of passage that thankfully they will never have to go through.

YNWA

Homesick

Note:  I wrote a much shorter piece about the Boys’ Pen for the LFC-tv site but it has been deleted.  This is a totally fresh piece written from memory.  I would be interested to hear of any other memories of the Boys' Pen.


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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2002, 11:15:48 am »
Excellent post Homesick  :)  Have been reading about Peter Evo's experiences in the Boys Pen in his book recently, and Alan Edge talks about it in 'Faith of our Fathers' - it sounds like a scary place, and yet you all seem to have loved it as well and have fond memories of it.  Nutters the lot of you  ;D

Any objections to us putting your piece on the front page?
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2002, 11:21:59 am »
It would be an honour Dave.

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2002, 12:22:41 pm »
A great read well worth a front page slot!
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2002, 01:53:29 pm »
Cheers Homesick, is now live on the front page of the site. Any more memoirs of the ole days from youreslf, Mottman, or any others would be most welcome here :-).
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2002, 02:17:05 pm »
Thanks Steve,

Hey Motty, step away from the zimmer frame for a mo, get out the quill and ink and start writing mate.  Oldies rule OK!  (or at least still have something to say)

;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2002, 02:19:45 pm »
I've gotta say that was a great read... it conjured up as many vivid images as I'm sure you had when you wrote it.

Top stuff, more of the same svp... and I'm sure there are many more eighties children out there like me who'd appreciate it...
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2002, 02:21:31 pm »
Nice one, Homesick!
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2002, 02:42:59 pm »
Hey Steve can you do me a favour please?  :)

There is one typo in the Boys' Pen piece.  Three extra words needs editing out.   ::)

I will sort out the error in the post but could you fix the story on the main page please.

The error is in this paragraph and is in brackets.

"And I remember when you got in and legged it up the stairs and looked out over Anfield that the ground was empty. The tradition in the Boys’ Pen was to get in early, try to get to the front and then, if you were hard enough, try to escape. All that effort to get in and all we wanted was (to a pass) to make an escape bid. The Kop was our freedom. The Boys’ Pen was a transit camp to heaven. It was a rite of passage for any Liverpool kid in the 60’s."

Ta  

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2002, 02:51:47 pm »
Done, I missed that one as well  ::)
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2002, 03:39:20 pm »
Top post La, personally no memories of the Boys pen, first game in 76. Probably a good thing by the sound of it ! :-[

Nice to have memories like that, have you read Mottys book yet ? I am about to send off for mine.

YNWA.
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2002, 04:04:45 pm »
Motty's written a book? Or do you mean the inimitable Peter Evo??
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2002, 04:11:13 pm »
More details on the Motty book please, title, publisher, author full name if poss.

I have not read any LFC history books but would be interested.

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2002, 04:20:43 pm »
Homesick, have you read "One Boy and His Kop" by Peter Etherington (Evo) - goodness knows some of us have plugged it often enough on the Official Forum! ;D
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2002, 04:23:33 pm »
No but I'll try to get hold of it.

Thanks

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2002, 04:29:39 pm »
Well, if you check out

http://www.oneboyandhiskop.co.uk

order details are there (nearly 600 copies sold!) and you can read some of Evo's articles (that is, if you haven't had the pleasure of doing so before).

I got my copy in December!
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2002, 04:42:24 pm »
Another excellent site - I have been at RAWK for three days and have two new bookmarked sites, this one and the Gerard Houllier site.  Great stuff.
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2002, 04:54:33 pm »
How about this? RAOTL's Classic Posts 2 (the first has been deleted, but it's being restored, hopefully)!


http://members3.boardhost.com/RAOTL2/


Should inspire you to write more posts!
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2002, 05:04:44 pm »
That's a great post 'homesick', Thanks a thousand. Somebody will post Braces & Boots poem The Old Boys Pen(ask Cyn/mb she's the Red forum historian). I'm sure you'll enjoy it. For my part I remember it vividly and have a half written script of my first time there alone which I will publish when it's finished.
A couple of things come to mind from your post;
Getting to the match by 12 o'clock to be sure of getting in.
Pissing against the wall while you were in the queue.
Snarling over saving your mates speck in the queue.
Getting into the Kop from the Boy's Pen via the wall over the Kop toilets, halfway down the Boy's Pen steps. Your feet stung ( more six inch nails than pins and needles) after that drop but you felt good. I think the first time I hugged another male (outside the family and purely platonic) was after one of them drops.
Snarling over whop was having the speck above the tunnel,( and the bastards who would spit on you as you come through the tunnel)
Bunking into the main stand AFTER the game had finished (I still ask myself why)
and loads loads more... Thanks again, H.
Rebuild The Boy's Pen (as a website of it's own) NOW!
Peter
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2002, 05:10:59 pm »
Brill memories Peter, thanks for that - transported me right back.  Wonderful stuff.  And wasn't there broken glass embedded in concrete on top of the walls so that kids would be shredded if they attempted to climb them?  I seem to remember that too.  Look forward to your additions to this.
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2002, 05:15:25 pm »
I've already posted braces' poem in another thread - one of Mottman's many threads!  ;D
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2002, 05:41:31 pm »
Quite right, H. & squeezing between the bars by the turnstiles.
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2002, 06:25:54 pm »
I'm confused! Has Mottman written a book or is Mottman an alias for Peter Evo ???
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2002, 09:43:27 pm »
No I havent written a book, you daft sausage.

Excellent piece from Homesick, brought loads and loads of memories back for me.

Do you remember the noise when either a Black cat or Dog would run onto the pitch.  It doesnt seem to happen anymore.

Fancy smuggling a cat or dog into the ground, happy days.

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2002, 09:49:20 pm »
Happy days indeed Motty.   ;D

We were so lucky to be there.   ;)

I have logged on as a guest because, for some reason, my username and password no longer work here - which is sad.  :no:

I have asked tech support to investigate.  :wave:

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2002, 09:52:15 pm »
Oh, well thanks for clearing that up. Don't take much to confuse me!  ;D
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2002, 09:54:12 pm »
Homesick's mate, great user name made me laugh, lets hope none of the sad people, son of mottman, mottman the sheep etc etc log on here.

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2002, 10:05:20 pm »
Back again, thanks to the brill Ben Scott.  

My username is case sensitive - I blame three pints of Marlow's Rebellion Roasted Nuts.

Thanks Ben  :-/
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2002, 10:09:29 pm »
Awww I'm brill  :) :) :P
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2002, 10:27:58 pm »
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Back again, thanks to the brill Ben Scott.  


 ??? ??? ???

;) ;D
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2002, 11:01:53 pm »
Sorry Homesick, missunderstanding about the book. Peter Etherington "one boy and his kop" was the one I was talking about. I read an email from him and misunderstood as my computer crashed. :'( Anyway I am still going to order a copy ! ;D

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2002, 11:54:50 pm »
Sounds ace Alfa - Peter was there and I like his site.  We can learn a lot from him.

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2002, 12:23:08 am »
Homesick, alright mate.

Have you been on the main LFC forum section yet.
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2002, 12:28:06 am »
Hi Motty,

No, I have looked in, but I don't know a lot about footy.

;)

I can't even advise my 12-year old on how he should play.

:(

The other dads never give me the flag to run the line because I am crap.

:upyours:

Just like memories and side issues.

;D

Happy here.

Thanks for inviting me over by the way - I owe it all to you - is that bitter you're drinking?

YNWA
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2002, 12:29:52 am »
Just having a debate on the LFC site on the subject of honour and glory - join in.

:D

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2002, 12:42:11 am »
Joined in the debate myself, abit of a mixed bag. Strange people La. Oh well quite on here going back to Off site !  :puke:

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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2002, 12:43:46 am »
Homesick,

I mean the main Liverpool bit here?
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2002, 12:52:50 am »
Yeh Motty, I thought you meant the LFC bit here but again I am a dunce on footy strategy, team selection etc.

But I will look in again following your suggesting - but probably not post.

YNWA
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2002, 01:16:03 am »
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But I will look in again following your suggesting - but probably not post.

YNWA


Why not post? I'm puzzeled.
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Re: Memories of the Boys’ Pen
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2002, 10:01:55 am »
Changed my mind Motty, I will post there.  I can understand what people are on about so feel comfortable.  Good morning by the way.

YNWA
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