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The Stone Roses
« on: July 23, 2006, 07:48:15 pm »
Fucking hell. This still sounds good.

But I don't remember them all looking about 12 years old...


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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2006, 07:59:49 pm »
And will always sound good. Superb.

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 08:40:53 pm »
Great band.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2006, 09:06:00 pm »
Absolutely superb band, their debut album one of the best ever made IMO.  Fantastic song that one, but that´s not the best version of it.

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2006, 09:17:04 pm »
i think my favourites are mersey paradise and sally cinnamon, supposedly not worthy of the first album.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2006, 09:21:59 pm »
Wasn´t Elephant Stone - the title, a reference to certain chemicals? 

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2006, 09:51:44 pm »

Haha.

Does anyone remember their first TV appearance on when the power cut off because they went over the sound limit?


"We're wasting our time here lads. AMATEURS!!!"

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2006, 09:57:32 pm »
ace that... ;D
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2006, 09:58:35 pm »
Great band.

 :o :o :o :o

You do have taste then???
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2006, 10:11:09 pm »
FACT: The Second Coming was a concept album predicting Fowler's return.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 10:15:06 pm »
:o :o :o :o

You do have taste then???

 ;D

Exactly what came to my mind!

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2006, 11:35:13 pm »
Fucking hell. This still sounds good.

But I don't remember them all looking about 12 years old...


Elephant Stone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmJvEL0j60I&search=%22stone%20roses%22%20



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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2006, 11:52:51 pm »
:o :o :o :o

You do have taste then???

Yes, also in terms of really great abums, The Libertines have SO FAR given us 2, whilst the Stone Roses only have the first which is a great album.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2006, 01:13:01 am »
Yes, also in terms of really great abums, The Libertines have SO FAR given us 2, whilst the Stone Roses only have the first which is a great album.

The Secong Coming is also a great album. Go and have a listen.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2006, 09:49:34 am »
Highly recommend reading Breaking into Heaven, the Rise and Fall of the Stone Roses by Mick Middles for any serious fan of theirs. One of the best music books out there IMO. Had the pleasure of meeting Ian Brown after a gig in Japan – absolute legend.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2006, 10:21:57 am »
Second Coming is a tremendous album, and rewards repeated listens...

It pales into insignificance when compared to the first album though, (but then again, most albums do) as it is unarguably one of the greatest and most important albums of all time..
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2006, 10:23:47 am »
Yes, also in terms of really great abums, The Libertines have SO FAR given us 2, whilst the Stone Roses only have the first which is a great album.

The second Libertines album has great moments, but it is in no way a great album..
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2006, 12:29:54 pm »
i think my favourites are mersey paradise and sally cinnamon, supposedly not worthy of the first album.

sally cinnamon - oh yeh. the best song ever.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2006, 12:38:22 pm »
The second Libertines album has great moments, but it is in no way a great album..

I would defo say the same about Second Coming if I were honest. Some beautiful and stirring moments, but nowhere near the consistency, originality and "breath of fresh air" feeling that came from their first record.

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2006, 12:40:27 pm »
my favourites would be this is the one, waterfall, i wanna be adored and she bangs the drums. a class act through and through. is it only me that thinks john squire's an immensly underated guitarist?

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2006, 02:33:21 pm »
my favourites would be this is the one, waterfall, i wanna be adored and she bangs the drums. a class act through and through. is it only me that thinks john squire's an immensly underated guitarist?

I wouldn't say he was under-rated myself.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2006, 06:43:39 pm »
Yes, also in terms of really great abums, The Libertines have SO FAR given us 2, whilst the Stone Roses only have the first which is a great album.
The Libertines haven't even given us 2 minutes of decent music, let alone 2 great albums. Not even a comparison, quite insulting that they're mentioned on this thread in fact!

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2006, 06:45:05 pm »
The Libertines haven't even given us 2 minutes of decent music, let alone 2 great albums. Not even a comparison, quite insulting that they're mentioned on this thread in fact!

And will always sound good. Superb.

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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2006, 06:47:47 pm »
I saw the Roses live as well, though without Reni......they were very good, though Ian Brown was a little out of tune. (!)

Reckon they are one of those bands where you really had to of been around at the time of the first album to realise how vital they were.

By the way, in my opinion, Second Coming was by and large a shit piece of music.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2006, 07:51:02 pm »
The Libertines haven't even given us 2 minutes of decent music, let alone 2 great albums. Not even a comparison, quite insulting that they're mentioned on this thread in fact!

Sorry, but - rubbish mate, without turning this into another Doherty smackrat thread, ignoring him and what he does, musically he is amazingly talented.

I'm a massive Roses fan but The Libertines have given us much more than 2 minutes. Can't stand me now and Don't look back into the sun will be classics.

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2006, 07:54:37 pm »
By the way, in my opinion, Second Coming was by and large a shit piece of music.
In mine, Ten Storey Love Song and Breaking Into Heaven are two of the greatest songs ever recorded. Ah well, different strokes.
I'm a massive Roses fan but The Libertines have given us much more than 2 minutes. Can't stand me now and Don't look back into the sun will be classics.
Have never got the fuss about Can't Stand Me Now, average tune at best - what makes it outstanding? I'm genuinely nonplussed.

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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2006, 08:00:05 pm »
In mine, Ten Storey Love Song and Breaking Into Heaven are two of the greatest songs ever recorded. Ah well, different strokes. Have never got the fuss about Can't Stand Me Now, average tune at best - what makes it outstanding? I'm genuinely nonplussed.

Everything. Listen to the beginning guitar rift. One of the best ever, obviously all in my humble opinion

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2006, 08:05:10 pm »
Very political song, that Tense Tory Love Song.

And it's fucking ACE. Not heard it for ages- it used to be 'our song' when I was with a Dutch girl ages ago. Weird- not thought of her for ages.

It's going on now. Loud.

Nice one chaps.

7777- that's some good taste there.

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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2006, 08:08:03 pm »
7777- that's some good taste there.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2006, 08:11:46 pm »
Oi, and me  :P

Meant as a wedding song  :P

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2006, 08:14:53 pm »
Beautiful

When your heart is black and broken
And you need a helping hand
When youre so much in love
You dont know just how much you can stand
When your questions go unanswered
And the silence is killing you
Take my hand baby, Im your man
I got love enough for two

Ten storey love song
I built this thing for you
Who can take you higher
Than twin peak mountain blue?
Oh well, I built this thing for you
And I love you true

Theres no sure fire set solution
No short cut through the trees
No breach in the wall
That they put there
To keep me from you

As youre lying awake in the darkness
This everlasting night
Someday soon
Dont know where or when
Youre gonna wake up and see the light

Ten storey love song
I built this thing for you
Who can take you higher
Than twin peak mountain blue?
Oh well, I built this thing for you
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2006, 08:18:19 pm »
And to think she opted for Shania fuckin Twain  ::)

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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2006, 08:20:07 pm »
And to think she opted for Shania fuckin Twain 
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2006, 08:23:00 pm »
Ye Gods. She must be great in bed.  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2006, 08:36:19 pm »
Sorry, but - rubbish mate, without turning this into another Doherty smackrat thread, ignoring him and what he does, musically he is amazingly talented.

I'm a massive Roses fan but The Libertines have given us much more than 2 minutes. Can't stand me now and Don't look back into the sun will be classics.

Yeah, agree. Come on James - if you dont like the Libertines, fair enough, but you've made that abundently clear already elsewhere. No need to drag it all into other threads.

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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2006, 09:12:23 pm »
Reckon they are one of those bands where you really had to of been around at the time of the first album to realise how vital they were.

Absolutely. Bang on there mate. I hope those of a younger age who are into the Roses dont see that as an "elitist" view. I guess the best way you could get across what a different sound they unleashed on everyone would be to take a look at the charts back in 1989....

Top 20 for Jan '89
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1            Especially for you     Kylie Minogue/Jason Donovan
2         Crackers internatiinal(E.P.)    Erasure
3         Buffalo stance    Neneh Cherry
4         Good life    Inner City
5         She drives me crazy    Fine Young Cannibals
6         The living years    Mike + the Mechanics
7         Suddenly    Angry Anderson
8         Four letter word    Kim Wilde
9         Baby I love your way/Freebird medley    Will To Power
10         Loco in Acapulco    Four Tops
11         Something's gotten hold of my heart    Marc Almond feat. Gene Pitney
12         You got it    Roy Orbison
13         Waiting for a star to fall    Boy Meets Girl
14         Cuddle toy    Roachford
15         Burning bridges(On and off and on again)    Status Quo
16         All she wants is    Duran Duran
17         Mistletoe and wine    Cliff Richard
18         Keeping the dream alive    Freiheit
19         Two hearts    Phil Collins
20         You are the one    A-HA

And for June '89
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1           Sealed with a kiss     Jason Donovan
2         Miss you like crazy    Natalie Cole
3         Express yourself    Madonna
4         The best of me    Cliff Richard
5         Right back where we started from    Sinitta
6         Back to life(However do you want me)    Soul II Soul feat. Caron Wheeler
7         Sweet child O' mine    Guns N' Roses
8         Ferry 'cross the mersey    Chiristians/Holly Johnson/Paul McCartney/Gerry Marsden & Stock Aitken Waterman
9         Manchild    Neneh Cherry
10         I don't wanna get hurt    Donna Summer
11         On the inside(Theme 'Prisoner-cell block H')    Lynne Hamilton
12         I drove all night    Cyndi Lauper
13         Hand on your heart    Kylie Minogue
14         Requiem    London Boys
15         Song for whoever    Beautiful South
16         It is time to get funky    D.Mob feat. LRS
17         Bring me edelweiss    Edelweiss
18         Every little step    Bobby Brown
19         Batdance    Prince
20         Just keep rockin'    Double Trouble & Rebel M.C.

And then Dec '89
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1            Don't know much     Linda Ronstadt(feat. Aaron Neville)
2         You got it(The right stuff)    New Kids On the Block
3         Lambada    Kaoma
4         When you come back to me    Jason Donovan
5         Get a life    Soul II Soul
6         Eve of the war    Jeff Wayne
7         Let's party    Jive Bunny & the Mastermixers
8         I don'T wanna lose you    Tina Turner
9         Donald where's your troosers    Andy Stewart
10         Dear Jessie    Madonna
11         Do they know it's christmas?    Band Aid II
12         Homely girl    UB40
13         Can't shake the feeling    Big fun
14         Got to get    Rob 'n' Raz feat. Leila K
15         All around the world    Lisa Stansfield
16         Fool's gold/What the world is waiting for    Stone Roses
17         Another day in paradise    Phil Collins
18         In private    Dusty Springfield
19         Sister    Bros
20         Pacific    808 State

The cultural change was underway. From Kylie, Erasure and Kim Wilde in the early months, it started to change to Soul II Soul, Stone Roses, 808 State.

It was truly a horrendous time for popular music in my opinion, an absolute wasteland of disposable synth pop bands and overblown, overaged Middle Of The Road shite. Am sure there was better stuff out there, but I had no idea how to find it and pretty much had to settle for the traditional outlets such as the Radio and TV shows.

For me personally I just did not get bands like Simple Minds, Simply Red, Erasure and Wet Wet Wet. I just couldnt connect. Where are these bands now? Thats not to say there were not some good bands/artists around that time that I liked - Sould II Soul, Sam Brown, REM and FYC's to name a few. Before that there were The Christians, The Housemartins and probably loads others that I cant recall right now :P

I guess the crap bands of these times went some way to explaining why I got so heavily into some of the classic older stuff like Dylan, The Stones, Led Zep, Lynrd Skynrd, Black Sabbath etc. Whilst it wasnt my era it was just f'ing superb music!

For me personally, The Stone Roses and also Guns N Roses were the two most important bands in the transition from the 80's to the 90's in terms of popular music. For anyone who doesnt believe that, just have a look at the sort of bands that comprised the charts in the early 90's and compare then them to the ones I posted above.

Phew! Time for me tea now :P

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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2006, 10:47:30 pm »
Yeah, agree. Come on James - if you dont like the Libertines, fair enough, but you've made that abundently clear already elsewhere. No need to drag it all into other threads.
OK, point taken and I won't keep harping on about it but have to protest about the 'dragging it in to other threads' bit - that was this post below surely, which is what I reacted to? I was actually a bit miffed that the Libertines were being discussed on a Roses thread which is why I jumped in!

Yes, also in terms of really great abums, The Libertines have SO FAR given us 2, whilst the Stone Roses only have the first which is a great album.

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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2006, 02:42:13 am »
Great post, Gareth: that's exactly what I was thinking of. There was a cultural shift at the time, and the Roses were at the vanguard of that; apart from their music, which was a big "fuck you" to all of the shit music in the 80's, there was something intangible about them that you had to be there at the time to of experienced. That was why it was so disappointing to see them fuck it all up after what happened with Silvertone, their record label, and the 5 year hiatus at the end of which they produced half an album.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2006, 08:43:30 am »
By the way, I think it would be sensational if the Roses were to reform and get back to where they were: a mate of mine got a recent music mag with Ian Brown on the cover and I read the article therein, I'm not sure of the name of it, but I'm ever hopeful the original lineup will get back together. Seems the biggest sticking point is the broken relationship between Squire and Brown. The Stone Roses should not be signed to Geffen Records: the Roses at their peak were somehow in touch with the zeitgeist, but beyond the mainstream: they attempted to be a crossover band that shouldn't have tried to crossover.

On another note, I would think it fantastic if Lee Mavers was to get back to where he was: seems this semi-famous Liverpudlian has gone the way of Syd Barrett.
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Re: The Stone Roses
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2006, 08:56:28 am »
I saw the complete stone roses in the lomax, not the same when the lead singer comes out and say "hello, we're the complete stone roses in a broad glaswegian accent" and then procedes to sing in tune :(

Mani was DJing before hand though :D
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