Topic: PL: Eve 2 vs 0 Liverpool Bran 27’ Lewin 58’

[duvva 💅]

It is a double edged sword though.

Their strength is getting the centre backs forward and loading the box for set pieces.

Our strength is pressing and winning the ball. If you have a 8 v 1 foul count after 30 minutes then what happens is pretty inevitable. They get to load the box we can't gegenpress.

I do agree we were up against it having to face so many poor decisions that led to some of these situations. However We have seemed unable to adjust to things during the game (at least outside of HT) for a while. And we have experienced players who should be able to do this. We must compete & adjust better than we do at times whatever we are facing

[Clint Eastwood]

He’s 24. Is he going to have the ruthless efficiency of Haaland? Probably not,  but he can get better. And realistically, he only needs to get a little better because the biggest problem for strikers is actually getting high percentage chances, which he gets in abundance. If he improves even marginally given the chances he’s had, I reckon his return would be pretty phenomenal.

I can't listen to this anymore.

He has poor composure and decision making, there is nothing else to say.

[Kennys from heaven]

"no backbiting, cuntishness or toy throwing"? You not been on RAWK before? 

It was said in hope more than expectation mate...

[n00bert]

Been saying this for 2 full seasons now, it's not happening in afraid.

But he’s literally 24. Writing a guy that has that movement off the ball off at 24 isn’t sensible IMO.

[Eeyore]

I do agree we were up against it having to face so many poor decisions that led to some of these situations. However We have seemed unable to adjust to things during the game (at least outside of HT) for a while. And we have experienced players who should be able to do this. We must compete & adjust better than we do at times whatever we are facing

If something is happening tactically or one of their players is getting the better of one of ours then yes you can adjust on the pitch.

However if the Ref is allowing their players to recklessly fly into challenges the way Tarkowski did. A challenge that Neville creamed his pants over but then giving free kicks for Everton player going down under the slightest pressure. Then what can players do?

[Samie]

Kloppo's just counting down his days. The light has gone out here. 

[Eeyore]

I can't listen to this anymore.

He has poor composure and decision making, there is nothing else to say.

A bit like most Strikers at that age?

[Eeyore]

Kloppo's just counting down his days. The light has gone out here. 

The club shouldn't be dependent on a manager massively overachieving though.

[n00bert]

I do agree we were up against it having to face so many poor decisions that led to some of these situations. However We have seemed unable to adjust to things during the game (at least outside of HT) for a while. And we have experienced players who should be able to do this. We must compete & adjust better than we do at times whatever we are facing

I mean you have a plan, to be aggressive, press high and win the ball back quickly. You select a team that is high energy. Then you start conceding ground to soft free kicks. How do you suddenly change your style of play? Just fall back into shape and give them the ball? When do you consciously make this decision to do this?

Again, we should defend the set pieces better but giving them every little foul defo destroyed our game plan.

[Samie]

The club shouldn't be dependent on a manager massively overachieving though.

Agree mate, but that's not what I meant. His post match press conferance, his eyes and his comments say " Just let me relax away from football".

[Sharado]

But he’s literally 24. Writing a guy that has that movement off the ball off at 24 isn’t sensible IMO.

To put that another way is he going to go somewhere and have us all saying "we should have kept him"? I seriously doubt that.

[duvva 💅]

If something is happening tactically or one of their players is getting the better of one of ours then yes you can adjust on the pitch.

However if the Ref is allowing their players to recklessly fly into challenges the way Tarkowski did. A challenge that Neville creamed his pants over but then giving free kicks for Everton player going down under the slightest pressure. Then what can players do?

We still have to compete. We didn’t win a single ball into our box tonight. Not one, that isn’t good enough, not everyone of those dead balls in was a result of a bad decision (though a number including the first goal were). It absolutely made it much harder for us, but we still have to do better than we did

[Fiasco]

A bit like most Strikers at that age?

14, 24 or 34. You either have a level of composure and nous in front of goal or you don't. Nunez doesn't. Not enough anyway.

[alvaro]

The team collapsed under pressure but this was supposed  to be a rebuilding season, the team punched aboved its weight for months and now it derailed but overall the season is good. We went from 5th to 3rd and won a domestic cup.  Im not ready to write anybody off just yet. A lot of young and inexperienced players in the side.

Im excited to see an upcoming manager working with this core of young players. We will all feel better after we oficially qualify for the Champions League.

[mattD]

If he isnt going to be spearheading a top Liverpool side then with our grip on finances, we need to sell him and get someone else in.

Putting the finances into perspective, sadly can’t disagree. Same goes for Diaz and Gakpo.

[smicer07]

Anyone who defends nunez doesn't have any eyes in his fucking head.

Nunez is dog shit. Absolute joke of a clown of a player.

Oh the fan base love him cos he's captain chaos lolol.

Get a grip. Maybe if we had a player who could play football we wouldn't be sending the best manager of my lifetime back to Germany with such a whimper.

The fact he wasn't sold in summer I understand 'oh maybe it's just his first season jitters give him a pre season.

He's lived here two years can't speak the language and can't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Take whatever we can get for him and move on.

Christ. And here's me thinking I post some crap.

[jillcwhomever]

Anyone who defends nunez doesn't have any eyes in his fucking head.

Nunez is dog shit. Absolute joke of a clown of a player.

Oh the fan base love him cos he's captain chaos lolol.

Get a grip. Maybe if we had a player who could play football we wouldn't be sending the best manager of my lifetime back to Germany with such a whimper.

The fact he wasn't sold in summer I understand 'oh maybe it's just his first season jitters give him a pre season.

He's lived here two years can't speak the language and can't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Take whatever we can get for him and move on.

Nobody is worse than you with your insults in every thread. It must be past your bed time by now.

[kasperoff]

Still pisses me off that United managed to completely derail our season. We’ve been shit ever since the FA cup game.

Honestly, this abysmal finishing has been toxic in this run in. You can see the confidence drain from the side every time we miss another sitter. Started the season well but we've absolutely shat the bed up front recently.

We've missed a dozen easy goals. Nunez has been most guilty, but they've all been at it. Fluffed chance after chance at key moments.

[smicer07]

Yes I have returned from the dead to die for our sins.

Can you go back?

[KirkVanHouten]

Anyone who defends nunez doesn't have any eyes in his fucking head.

Nunez is dog shit. Absolute joke of a clown of a player.

Oh the fan base love him cos he's captain chaos lolol.

Get a grip. Maybe if we had a player who could play football we wouldn't be sending the best manager of my lifetime back to Germany with such a whimper.

The fact he wasn't sold in summer I understand 'oh maybe it's just his first season jitters give him a pre season.

He's lived here two years can't speak the language and can't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Take whatever we can get for him and move on.

Klopp is leaving because of fans like you, you realise that right?

[jillcwhomever]

Piss off love youre an absolute bore and omel of the main reasons I jibbed Rawk off going from thread to thread throwing a tea cosy on everything and preaching love to all.

Yawn!!!!

[Coolie High]

A bit like most Strikers at that age?

Not the ones that have played for Liverpool. Maybe that’s why some are so harsh with him, we’re used to strikers being close to the complete package at that age, a lot of them burn out even quicker though. Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Sturridge.

[stockdam]

Stockdam has made a very good point!

Thanks some of it is an exaggeration to prove a point but our weakness recently has been coping with physical teams that press us hard. We used to do the pressing but now we are the ones being pressed.

Our "golden-boy" has been Mac Allister but once he is taken out of the game then we look slow and ponderous.

As for the referee giving Everton soft free-kicks tonight, yes he did but we knew upfront that this was going to be their main tactic. Throw yourself to the ground and win free-kicks. Nearly all the "poorer" teams do this as their main attacking tactic is to launch the ball into the box. Even though this would be no surprise to us, we still got ourselves into positions where the ref awarded cheap free-kicks (yes you could ask what else could we do but we seemed to cut this out later in the game). We also did not defend their free-kicks well even though we had VVD and Konate in defence. Konate had an awful game and Virgil, at times, appeared to be too laid back and not physical enough. Once again you could say I'm being a tad harsh but Everton played the physical game much better than we did.

[Crosby Nick]

All very sad to end like this. We all hoped for more. I do take Killer’s point that at the start of the season that third and a trophy  would probably be seen as very decent. It’s the fact we threatened more and then fell away a that’s tough.

Don’t know the reason. It’s not really one thing. It’s crap but we have to deal with it. Don’t feel like slagging anyone off. Everyone looks a bit shell shocked which can look like they don’t care or didn’t want it but I doubt that’s the case. Just a bit mentally physically off it at the moment.

I’d say ‘heads up’ but mine’s pretty down at the moment too to be honest. Hate football at times.

Still not long til the summer and we’ll get to laugh at Pickford for a blunder. And get to feel some scahudenfraude for all the people in tears who are laughing at us at the moment.

[Paul_h]

Jota and Gapko out was just unfortunate timing.
speculation on who the new manger would be didn't help our mindset going into the game.
really deflating that result.

[n00bert]

Christ. And here's me thinking I post some crap.

You do though! 

That said the post you were responding too takes the biscuit.

[Paul JH]

People really acting like 24 years of age is like some 17 year old who's just broke into the side from the academy to defend Nunez rawness are the same kind of people who act like Rashford is a young whippersnapper when he's closer to 30 to excuse is terrible performances too.

More power to you if you think he'll somehow become a genius, but by Christ, how you can't say his finishing and his decision making ISN'T dreadful at times?

For me, my opinion, he'll never be the answer as far as goals or being a winger goes either. He just won't.

But you know, because he's a bit of a rash cheerleader he gets massively let off by a lot of people. That one where Trent put him CLEAN through... control was woeful, had to lay it off because of it. Gets let off the hook way more than other players because he's a bit mad.

[Eeyore]

Agree mate, but that's not what I meant. His post match press conferance, his eyes and his comments say " Just let me relax away from football".

It is having to carry the club that has done that to him though.

Edwards walked away. Ward walked away. Gordon walked away. Graham walked away.

Klopp took up the slack that is why he is fucked. The worrying thing is the drop off since Klopp said he was leaving.

[killer-heels]

That game was just so bad. We got so many warnings in that first half and at no point did we counteract it. Why not get a midfielder to disrupt Calvert-Lewin? Brainless.

[traustibm]

The club shouldn't be dependent on a manager massively overachieving though.

But that’s where we are thanks to our hedge fund capitalist owners. We must always remember to limit our expectations as we are the plucky underdogs. At least that’s how the club acts under them.

[Studgotelli]

People really acting like 24 years of age is like some 17 year old who's just broke into the side from the academy to defend Nunez rawness are the same kind of people who act like Rashford is a young whippersnapper when he's closer to 30 to excuse is terrible performances too.

More power to you if you think he'll somehow become a genius, but by Christ, how you can't say his finishing and his decision making ISN'T dreadful at times?

For me, my opinion, he'll never be the answer as far as goals or being a winger goes either. He just won't.

But you know, because he's a bit of a rash cheerleader he gets massively let off by a lot of people. That one where Trent put him CLEAN through... control was woeful, had to lay it off because of it. Gets let off the hook way more than other players because he's a bit mad.

Danns has more composure than him and he’s a teenager

[Only Me]

I see that it’s breeding season for dramatic bellends.

Best fans in the world my arse.

Have a Quick Look in the Arsenal/Abu Dhabi/Everton/Man U threads on this very site, and tell me that dozens of pricks in here aren’t guilty of the same bad knobhead behaviour you all accuse those fanbases of.

Jurgen is well out of it.

You can tell that 95% of you have never been to a fucking game in your life.

[Clint Eastwood]

A bit like most Strikers at that age?

Jota, Mane, Salah were fine at that age. Even Origi.

[Johnny Aldridge]

Klopps last season, still in a title race, a derby and they still couldn’t put up a fight. They were outfought in all of the 50-50s, poor all over aside from Diaz & Elliott when he came on. There’s been no hunger there for a while now. The ref was shite but he was no excuse for tonight. Too many anonymous players there tonight. We have no one to fall back on when Salah is going through a spell like he is, but Salah is piss poor right now. Fucking Everton can crow now about costing us the title. (They didn’t but they’ll milk it anyways)

[Lochgelly Violet]

All very sad to end like this. We all hoped for more. I do take Killer’s point that at the start of the season that third and a trophy  would probably be seen as very decent. It’s the fact we threatened more and then fell away a that’s tough.

Don’t know the reason. It’s not really one thing. It’s crap but we have to deal with it. Don’t feel like slagging anyone off. Everyone looks a bit shell shocked which can look like they don’t care or didn’t want it but I doubt that’s the case. Just a bit mentally physically off it at the moment.

I’d say ‘heads up’ but mine’s pretty down at the moment too to be honest. Hate football at times.

Still not long til the summer and we’ll get to laugh at Pickford for a blunder. And get to feel some scahudenfraude for all the people in tears who are laughing at us at the moment.

I do think the "we'd have taken this at the start of the season" thing is a bit of a canard. While it's true to some degree, the fact that we've been the architects of our own downfall so often has been beyond frustrating. Why do we always start so poorly? Why do we give away so many gilt edged chances at the start of games? Surely, that at least is something we could have fixed by now. Yes, it's a new team but we could have done so much more this season. It's such a terrible shame to see it all end this way

[Paul JH]

I see that it’s breeding season for dramatic bellends.

Best fans in the world my arse.

Have a Quick Look in the Arsenal/Abu Dhabi/Everton/Man U threads on this very site, and tell me that dozens of pricks in here aren’t guilty of the same bad knobhead behaviour you all accuse those fanbases of.

Jurgen is well out of it.

You can tell that 95% of you have never been to a fucking game in your life.

Behave. No-one allowed an opinion that you don't agree with?

[jillcwhomever]

Behave. No-one allowed an opinion that you don't agree with?

Some of the posts have been embarrassing tonight.

[Paul JH]

No he’s leaving because the toxic atmosphere at the club last season visibly took a toll on him. That negativity is created by hate filled fans who have problems regulating their emotions and abuse everyone.

This is the strangest take I've seen for a long, long time.

[Eeyore]

Not the ones that have played for Liverpool. Maybe that’s why some are so harsh with him, we’re used to strikers being close to the complete package at that age, a lot of them burn out even quicker though. Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Sturridge.

Rush, Fowler and Owen came through at Liverpool.

We signed Torres and Sturridge at the kind of age Nunez is now.

[Paul JH]

Some of the posts have been embarrassing tonight.

Key word 'some'. But that gets lumped into '95% of you...'.