Topic: anfield road stand

[CraigDS]

Is there a flat rate or do they pay per apology?

Sorry if anyone has asked this.

I've heard, from a mate, they offer a very competitive salary.

[AKABillyGee]

If I'm a funded apologist I want my money!

From the way you behave I will let people draw their own conclusions.

You claim ti be an architect.

As the ex CEO of a medium sized Merseyside PLC and having a numerate discipline I have employed and instructed a number of architects throughout the years both on new build and refurb. I am fully cognoscenti of costing evaluation. In all my years experience I have never had an architect question or reject the instructions given in the board approved brief. The architect carries out the instructions given by the client, they do not under any circumstance initiate the discussion, provide the financial evaluation and convince the client of the financial merits of their concept. I have read some of your frankly childish responses to the monetary aspect here and that alone is the reason I have failed to engage in a discussion. You personally consider yourself to be designer, cost accountant, company strategist and chief exec all rolled into one, where do you get changed, in a 'phone box? Please do not flatter yourself into believing for one moment that the level of your intellect and argument has stopped me posting personally on here, nothing could be further from the case.

My experience of this process and ability to comment is two fold: I have been a season ticket holder at Anfield for over 30 years and have been involved in board level strategy decisions for a similar amount of time. Yours?

However, when my personal avatar began to be altered and insulting comments added by someone who has access I began to understand the level of person ~I was in discussion with.

I was advised very early on in life and in business 'never argue with a moron' and that is the reason I have ceased posting here.

[TepidT2O]

Most disillusioned post of the year...

You can google Alan... He is an architect.

[CraigDS]

You sound like a funded antagonist.

[Alan_X]

From the way you behave I will let people draw their own conclusions.

You claim ti be an architect.

As the ex CEO of a medium sized Merseyside PLC and having a numerate discipline I have employed and instructed a number of architects throughout the years both on new build and refurb. I am fully cognoscenti of costing evaluation. In all my years experience I have never had an architect question or reject the instructions given in the board approved brief. The architect carries out the instructions given by the client, they do not under any circumstance initiate the discussion, provide the financial evaluation and convince the client of the financial merits of their concept. I have read some of your frankly childish responses to the monetary aspect here and that alone is the reason I have failed to engage in a discussion. You personally consider yourself to be designer, cost accountant, company strategist and chief exec all rolled into one, where do you get changed, in a 'phone box? Please do not flatter yourself into believing for one moment that the level of your intellect and argument has stopped me posting personally on here, nothing could be further from the case.

My experience of this process and ability to comment is two fold: I have been a season ticket holder at Anfield for over 30 years and have been involved in board level strategy decisions for a similar amount of time. Yours?

However, when my personal avatar began to be altered and insulting comments added by someone who has access I began to understand the level of person ~I was in discussion with.

I was advised very early on in life and in business 'never argue with a moron' and that is the reason I have ceased posting here.

You've got me mate. I would never dare to argue with someone trained in a 'numerate discipline' (counting?). Or one who is cognoscenti [sic] of cost evaluation.

By the way, you are correct that I didn't train as an architect. I'm the joint owner and director of an architects practice with many blue chip clients. I came up through an odd route working with a Stirling award winning practice where I designed and ran multi-million projects before setting up on my own.

Stop making a show of yourself and I'd suggest you wind your neck in and stop accusing people of being a fraud, a moron or a paid apologist on a public forum. If you weren't such an obvious bellend I might take offence.

Now do us all a favour and go back to Skyscraper City.

This is an important day as I'm sure you know. Far more important things to do.

[clogandbottle]

You've got me mate. I would never dare to argue with someone trained in a 'numerate discipline' (counting?). Or one who is cognoscenti [sic] of cost evaluation.

By the way, you are correct that I didn't train as an architect. I'm the joint owner and director of an architects practice with many blue chip clients. I came up through an odd route working with a Stirling award winning practice where I designed and ran multi-million projects before setting up on my own.

Stop making a show of yourself and I'd suggest you wind your neck in and stop accusing people of being a fraud, a moron or a paid apologist on a public forum. If you weren't such an obvious bellend I might take offence.

Now do us all a favour and go back to Skyscraper City.

This is an important day as I'm sure you know. Far more important things to do.

actually you are a bit high handed and often seem slightly pissed off. Are you alan?

[Alan_X]

actually you are a bit high handed and often seem slightly pissed off. Are you alan?

It may come across as high handed but when you know someone is talking bollocks what do you do? First you try to explain and point out their errors. But if they keep banging on about projects that have no parallel to Liverpool's situation then yes, it does get on your tits after a while.

Particularly when that person is also calling you a c*nt who's taking backhanders from FSG to push the company line. So yeah, pissed off just about covers it.

[clogandbottle]

It may come across as high handed but when you know someone is talking bollocks what do you do? First you try to explain and point out their errors. But if they keep banging on about projects that have no parallel to Liverpool's situation then yes, it does get on your tits after a while.

Particularly when that person is also calling you a c*nt who's taking backhanders from FSG to push the company line. So yeah, pissed off just about covers it.

Fair enough

[andy07]

Away from the logistics of demand, cost, bricks and mortar, when this redevelopment is complete we need to ensure that the lower tier is a seething, vibrant mass of Scouse youth as per the halcyon days of old.

[clogandbottle]

Away from the logistics of demand, cost, bricks and mortar, when this redevelopment is complete we need to ensure that the lower tier is a seething, vibrant mass if Scouse youth as per the halcyon days of old.

and that bloke throwing packets of wrigleys spearmint to you at half time, don't know how but he always got his money and you always got yer chuggy

[Redman0151]

Got an email update today reminding me i'm 24,000th in the ST queue. Hope work gets started on this ASAP...

[oojason]

Got an email update today reminding me i'm 24,000th in the ST queue. Hope work gets started on this ASAP...

Same here - can't remember getting an email from them about updated numbers before - though did seem to be more an advert for 'would you like one of our seasonal hospitality packages instead?'

Bring on a 24,000 annie road

[mikeb58]

If the development of this stand is all about whether it'll be cost effective (ie no planning issues to hold us back etc) surely it has to go ahead.

We'll have no problem filling the extra seats, and under Klopp I can see the demand for seats forever increasing as I'm convinced he'll lead us to great success on the pitch.

2 Cup Finals already.....says it all!

[CentenaryBoy]

Same here - can't remember getting an email from them about updated numbers before - though did seem to be more an advert for 'would you like one of our seasonal hospitality packages instead?'

Bring on a 24,000 annie road

They're expanding the capacity of the ground by nearly ten-thousand - but only two-thousand new season tickets are being released.

[Mullalove]

Idea for a game show..

"Little Tommy Pissy Pants"

2 architects have to down 6 pints and then empty their bladders into a large rose bush while Tommy Walsh asks then questions around the Party Wall Act 1966, first to finish and shake it wins.

[God's Left Peg]

Idea for a game show..

"Little Tommy Pissy Pants"

2 architects have to down 6 pints and then empty their bladders into a large rose bush while Tommy Walsh asks then questions around the Party Wall Act 1966, first to finish and shake it wins.

Inner City Sumo... Millenium Barn Dance... Knowing ME knowing you...

... Monkey Tennis???

[Alan_X]

Idea for a game show..

"Little Tommy Pissy Pants"

2 architects have to down 6 pints and then empty their bladders into a large rose bush while Tommy Walsh asks then questions around the Party Wall Act 1966, first to finish and shake it wins.

It's 1996 not 1966.

[Alf]

Unless they move people to the Anfield Road & put more corporates on the centenary or main stand I don't see Anfield getting any bigger. Maybe the next CEO/owners will have a different view.

[CraigDS]

Unless they move people to the Anfield Road & put more corporates on the centenary or main stand I don't see Anfield getting any bigger. Maybe the next CEO/owners will have a different view.

Why?

[Alf]

Why?

The main stand will pay for itself in 5-6 years due to Corporate sales, can that be achieved with the Anny Road?  Do the club run the risk of saturation point with another 4,500 tickets particularly for midweek games? I'm sceptical on both points.

[CraigDS]

The main stand will pay for itself in 5-6 years due to Corporate sales, can that be achieved with the Anny Road?  Do the club run the risk of saturation point with another 4,500 tickets particularly for midweek games? I'm sceptical on both points.

Agree with the latter, although we're constantly told the demand is there for 70k by some...  I assume the club have done more than enough homework to show around 60k is the right amount though, so not sure it's much of an issue.

The first point is a good one, but without really knowing how what it would cost (it won't be Ł120m like the Main) or how they'd decide to fund it (could be bank debt rather than interest free) it's hard to guess what they'd do.

If the demand is there for the tickets, and the figures still stack up, I'd hazard a guess we'd see it built.

[Nessy76]

The club did a lot of research and ended up with the plan to expand the Main and Anfield Road stands about as much as you could realistically expand either.
The plan was always to complete the Main before any work would be done on the AR. Unless something has changed dramatically, there's no reason to change that plan now, either.

[Alf]

The increased capacity next season can be used to gauge further demand. You've got the season ticket waiting list to tackle it but no idea what cost would be of building it.

[CraigDS]

The increased capacity next season can be used to gauge further demand. You've got the season ticket waiting list to tackle it but no idea what cost would be of building it.

They do though, and went to the hassle of getting outline planning so much have a good idea if the figures stack up.

[Nessy76]

The increased capacity next season can be used to gauge further demand. You've got the season ticket waiting list to tackle it but no idea what cost would be of building it.

Also, they can re-seat people from the Annie in the new Main while work is done, if they did both at once, that wouldn't have been possible. Unlike the Main Stand, the plans for the Anfield Road involved removing the current upper tier entirely and replacing it with two new tiers, if I remember correctly.

[Alan_X]

Also, they can re-seat people from the Annie in the new Main while work is done, if they did both at once, that wouldn't have been possible. Unlike the Main Stand, the plans for the Anfield Road involved removing the current upper tier entirely and replacing it with two new tiers, if I remember correctly.

One new tier.

[Nessy76]

One new tier.

Right. Thanks.

[Claude Cat]

Would it be removing the whole overhang thing then and look a bit like the centenary?

[Liamski-la]

Yes

[Jimmys Casey]

Would anyone have any issues if they redid the plans and made the Anfield Road end bigger than he Kop? I seem to remember some didn't like that idea. I would have no issues.

[RedorRed]

I think it should be considered that a new Uber Kop be placed at the Anfield Road End. He road is closed, it can accommodate a huge Kop.... No corporate, under he plinth a huge pub (the King Kenny) open everyday. And at the top a restaurant and bar overlooking Stanley Park. There would be Kop Shops selling Kop merchandise. Everything geared and designed To enhance the noise generated by the 19k-20k sat in it.
And then this would enabl us to create a second tier on the existing Kop were space is at s premium. I know this will not be popular with some. But we were going to move completely so this is only a relatively small step in comparison.

[Easy]

I think it should be considered that a new Uber Kop be placed at the Anfield Road End. He road is closed, it can accommodate a huge Kop.... No corporate, under he plinth a huge pub (the King Kenny) open everyday. And at the top a restaurant and bar overlooking Stanley Park. There would be Kop Shops selling Kop merchandise. Everything geared and designed To enhance the noise generated by the 19k-20k sat in it.
And then this would enabl us to create a second tier on the existing Kop were space is at s premium. I know this will not be popular with some. But we were going to move completely so this is only a relatively small step in comparison.

It would be a bold move and to an extent, some of it could make sense. Probably too bold a move for many though (history being one huge reason) and you may find yourself being referred by others to another thread with skyscraper city in the title...

[Peter McGurk]

Also, they can re-seat people from the Annie in the new Main while work is done, if they did both at once, that wouldn't have been possible. Unlike the Main Stand, the plans for the Anfield Road involved removing the current upper tier entirely and replacing it with two new tiers, if I remember correctly.

As I understand it, the intention is as the original design which is to build the new section behind the old and remove the upper tier in the closed season - pretty much like the removal of the roof in the main stand.

I think the club has under-done it with boxes in the main stand although I see that the 14 new boxes are pretty much double the expected size - so the equivalent of 28 boxes income-wise and what the market was asking for perhaps.

There are a surprising number of corporate seats in the existing ARE upper tier (with facilities in the Isla Gladstone, Sandon etc). It's difficult to judge but moving all those into the new main stand facilities seems a bit self-defeating. The split in the terracing gives access to a potential hospitality suite at the top of the existing lower section. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to make that split stand into a new split kop as it will break up the crowd and unless there is little or no hospitality in the ARE or the ARE as a kop goes upmarket...

All in all, there's plenty of flexibility and as the loan is being paid back as quickly as possible, there isn't much cashflow benefit to doing one stand stand then the other. So phasing the two stands is almost entirely about gauging demand and getting the size and content of the stadium right.

I think it should be considered that a new Uber Kop be placed at the Anfield Road End. He road is closed, it can accommodate a huge Kop.... No corporate, under he plinth a huge pub (the King Kenny) open everyday. And at the top a restaurant and bar overlooking Stanley Park. There would be Kop Shops selling Kop merchandise. Everything geared and designed To enhance the noise generated by the 19k-20k sat in it.
And then this would enabl us to create a second tier on the existing Kop were space is at s premium. I know this will not be popular with some. But we were going to move completely so this is only a relatively small step in comparison.

I wouldn't worry about history too much and even kicking into the sun for a 3pm kick-off doesn't occur too many times these days. But a genuinely tiered kop (i.e. one tier over the other) in the original kop would still be hugely expensive compared to the number of additional seats.

[Jonny5]

no reason why we cant have two kops is there, why does it have to be tiered, then let the fans decide which they go in, with safe standing maybe an option in the future you could have standing in the old kop .

might even help generate some atmosphere with each stand trying to outdo eachother.

[Easy]

no reason why we cant have two kops is there, why does it have to be tiered, then let the fans decide which they go in, with safe standing maybe an option in the future you could have standing in the old kop .

might even help generate some atmosphere with each stand trying to outdo eachother.

Gets my vote. A double barrelled kop. We'd be playing towards the Kop in each half too.

[Durlmints]

no reason why we cant have two kops is there, why does it have to be tiered, then let the fans decide which they go in, with safe standing maybe an option in the future you could have standing in the old kop .

might even help generate some atmosphere with each stand trying to outdo eachother.

Where would the away fans go though?

[Easy]

Where would the away fans go though?

Chuck them up high in one of the stands like in Newcastle or Utd.

[Redknight1892]

no reason why we cant have two kops is there, why does it have to be tiered, then let the fans decide which they go in, with safe standing maybe an option in the future you could have standing in the old kop .

might even help generate some atmosphere with each stand trying to outdo eachother.

In that case would we not be better to simply swap ends? Turn the Annie rd into a single tier mega Kop of 20.000+  doesn't sound so bad when we were close to moving to a new stadium least we are still at home. Would solve the argument regarding the WBR issue..  Just a thought

[Jonny5]

i would house the away fans in the upper or lower cent, i would even have the tv gantry there aswell, the new main stand should be on display.

[Welshred]

It won't happen for several reasons. It'd be too expensive to build, transport links are rubbish and would require major upgrading and the club would be expected to contribute towards it, adding around 10k seats to the Annie Road End may not even be feasible tickets wise. I'm sure the more educated around the issues on here will provide further and more in depth reasons as well.