Topic: DC Mega Topic, it's not the MCU

[Beav]

If Cranston is on board, you have to use him. Gordon would be a big part of a Batman film, less so in a Superman/Batman or Justice League film.

If he's in, they've got to cast him as Luthor. He would be perfect.

[Macphisto80]

I can see this film turning out to be so bad, as to be unintentionally hilarious. Batman and Superman in the same world? Na, that's just not a context that I can wrap my brain around, sorry. This is a turd in the works.

[Malaysian Kopite]

I can see this film turning out to be so bad, as to be unintentionally hilarious. Batman and Superman in the same world? Na, that's just not a context that I can wrap my brain around, sorry. This is a turd in the works.

The comics have consistently shown that it works.

[Macphisto80]

The comics have consistently shown that it works.

That's a comic, though. You can get away with whatever you want on the pages of a comic. In the world that Snyder and Nolan have made, it's a massive issue.  They don't mesh at all.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

The comics have consistently shown that it works.

I don't even believe that to be honest. None that I've read.

[Paul JH]

Question is, who does the music? Would Hans Zimmer really want to come back and do Man of Steel 2 and do MORE Batman themes and music? Surely it would be tricky for him, to come back and carry on the great score he did for MOS but not include his Batman motif's?

[Malaysian Kopite]

That's a comic, though. You can get away with whatever you want on the pages of a comic. In the world that Snyder and Nolan have made, it's a massive issue.  They don't mesh at all.

This isn't going to be Nolan's Batman.The Iron Man movies were initially 'realistic' but he still slotted seamlessly into The Avengers.

I don't even believe that to be honest. None that I've read.

TDKR? The differences in their ideology and capabilities make their relationship so interesting. 

[Macphisto80]

This isn't going to be Nolan's Batman.The Iron Man movies were initially 'realistic' but he still slotted seamlessly into The Avengers.
TDKR? The differences in their ideology and capabilities make their relationship so interesting. 

Nolan will have a lot of say in this for the same reason why he had a lot of say in MoS. He tried to make Superman a more gritty and realistic character in the same way he tried to take a man in a rubber bat suit and have him run about real life Manhattan. For me that just didn't work, and it's one of the main reasons why I think there is a stark and jarring contrast in Nolan's Batman trilogy between Batman Begins and the other two. I think Begins is the best of the three because Gotham looked at least moderately like Gotham. As Mouth says, the problem isn't really Batman himself: it's Superman. To me, he exists in a completely different world to the one Batman exists in, or at least the one that has been established on film. There's just too much there that grates against each other for it to work.

[Nessy76]

I can see this film turning out to be so bad, as to be unintentionally hilarious. Batman and Superman in the same world? Na, that's just not a context that I can wrap my brain around, sorry. This is a turd in the works.

This sort of quote is just weird.

It's been done very frequently for over 70 years.

Works fine. If you accept the premise of a flying bulletproof alien who can bend iron girders with his bare hands and shoot lasers from his eyes, then surely Batman isn't that far-fetched?

Film could still be awful, but there's nothing wrong with those two characters being together, they've been pretty much defined that way since long before you were born.

[Macphisto80]

This sort of quote is just weird.

It's been done very frequently for over 70 years.

Works fine. If you accept the premise of a flying bulletproof alien who can bend iron girders with his bare hands and shoot lasers from his eyes, then surely Batman isn't that far-fetched?

Film could still be awful, but there's nothing wrong with those two characters being together, they've been pretty much defined that way since long before you were born.

It's not a weird comment when you take the word 'context' into consideration. They're two completely separate entities that I just can't see gelling when paired together, both in their characters, what they are capable of, and the settings they come from. It just doesn't mix. Aliens and a grounded, almost super realistic vigilante set against the backdrop of a clearly recognizable modern city? Na, not for me.

[Nessy76]

It's not a weird comment when you take the word 'context' into consideration. They're two completely separate entities that I just can't see gelling when paired together, both in their characters, what they are capable of, and the settings they come from. It just doesn't mix. Aliens and a grounded, almost super realistic vigilante set against the backdrop of a clearly recognizable modern city? Na, not for me.

That's the exact same context that they've always had. For almost their entire existence. There's nothing realistic about Batman. He's Batman. He dresses as a Bat, never loses a fight, is the world's greatest martial artist (in every form of martial arts simultaneously) AND the world's greatest detective, with an encyclopedic knowledge of everything under the sun, and he's also a billionnaire and an inventor of technology that the rest of the world can't compete with.

Here they are, blowing your mind way back in 1941.

[Skidder.]

The real question is, where is it going to be set?

Metropolis or Gotham???

What will be interesting is will Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent cross paths at some point?

Is it going to be Superman and Batman Vs a foe, or is it Superman V Batman in a spandex, mud wrestle?

[Malaysian Kopite]

The real question is, where is it going to be set?

Metropolis or Gotham???

What will be interesting is will Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent cross paths at some point?

Is it going to be Superman and Batman Vs a foe, or is it Superman V Batman in a spandex, mud wrestle?

There's deffo going to be one scene where they fight each other but obviously it's not going to be a straight up fight due to Batman's limitations.

[Haemoglobin]

The real question is, where is it going to be set?

Metropolis or Gotham???

Megothalis.

[Skidder.]

Megothalis.

Glasgow!

[lionel_messias]

Megothalis.

Camden Town?

That actually would be fucking good. Superman downed by flying Rizlas and Batman hit over the head by a teenager with a giant bong.

[Skidder.]

Gothopolis.

(Sounds like Chavasse Park).

[Barefoot Doctor]

The real question is, where is it going to be set?

Metropolis or Gotham???

What will be interesting is will Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent cross paths at some point?

Is it going to be Superman and Batman Vs a foe, or is it Superman V Batman in a spandex, mud wrestle?

I think it'll start in Gotham, with the bulk of the action in Metropolis. Think it's a certainty Clark and Bruce will cross paths. I expect Bruce will travel to Metropolis to investigate Superman but also undertake some business dealings with Lex - probably helping with the rebuilding of the city. He'll have studied Superman extensively beforehand, and might get his hands on some kryptonite. They'll have a fight in the middle of the film, which will end in a draw (as Supes will be heavily weakened). They'll realise Lex is the true enemy and unite to take him down, come to a grudging acceptance of each other and go their separate ways.

[Macphisto80]

That's the exact same context that they've always had. For almost their entire existence. There's nothing realistic about Batman. He's Batman. He dresses as a Bat, never loses a fight, is the world's greatest martial artist (in every form of martial arts simultaneously) AND the world's greatest detective, with an encyclopedic knowledge of everything under the sun, and he's also a billionnaire and an inventor of technology that the rest of the world can't compete with.

Here they are, blowing your mind way back in 1941.

Yeah, but as I said to MK, it's a comic, and in a comic you can get away with stuff that would stick out like a sore thumb if you were to try and merge it into a realistic setting like the two have been doing in cinema format. As for Batman, I know he's not realistic in the typical sense of the word, but he's more grounded than Superman. In fact, in comparison, he's wholly realistic in contrast. He's just a normal bloke that's been trained to handle himself. A knife, bullet, or a short fall can still kill him. With Superman, there's almost literally nothing that can stop him. What use would Batman be in team of those two?

[OsirisMVZ]

Nothing can kill Batman! Even when he was killed by being hit with the most devastating attack from the strongest character in the DC universe, he didn't actually die. Which is a statement that makes no sense whatsoever, but it happened

Superman has weaknesses to Krypton and Magic (so bring in Constantine, Zatanna, or December Graystone to fight him as they would hand him his arse) but he can still be defeated by things that are stronger than him. He basically gets battered once a week for the last 70 years, and then he wins in the end. That's the way it goes with him! For someone who is supposedly invincible he spends a lot of time on the treatment table.

[Nessy76]

Yeah, but as I said to MK, it's a comic, and in a comic you can get away with stuff that would stick out like a sore thumb if you were to try and merge it into a realistic setting like the two have been doing in cinema format. As for Batman, I know he's not realistic in the typical sense of the word, but he's more grounded than Superman. In fact, in comparison, he's wholly realistic in contrast. He's just a normal bloke that's been trained to handle himself. A knife, bullet, or a short fall can still kill him. With Superman, there's almost literally nothing that can stop him. What use would Batman be in team of those two?

Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. Superman is a part-time journalist who uses inside info on Superman cases to get most of his stories. Batman solves the case and catches the bad guy, Superman is his battering ram; the guy who stops the runaway disaster the villain has unleashed.
Batman operates at night, and is not afraid to hurt people, Superman is symbol of justice and goodness, Batman is a symbol of fear and vengeance. That's how they've developed - in tandem, the basic characters of the two have been defined in terms of one another since so early on that they may as well have been made for each other.

[Nessy76]

Nothing can kill Batman! Even when he was killed by being hit with the most devastating attack from the strongest character in the DC universe, he didn't actually die. Which is a statement that makes no sense whatsoever, but it happened

Superman has weaknesses to Krypton and Magic (so bring in Constantine, Zatanna, or December Graystone to fight him as they would hand him his arse) but he can still be defeated by things that are stronger than him. He basically gets battered once a week for the last 70 years, and then he wins in the end. That's the way it goes with him! For someone who is supposedly invincible he spends a lot of time on the treatment table.

And I'm now going to contradict myself slightly by saying that John Constantine has no business whatsoever in any story about Superman OR Batman. He's practically a real person! (Aside from all the magic and stuff.) He has sex, smokes, drinks himself into oblivion, pretty sure he's literally shat himself a couple of times, too.

[Brian Blessed]

If you can accept one superhero in a realistic setting, you can accept them all. Superman is just as plausible as Hulk, Iron Man, Green Lantern, Batman and the rest. It doesn't mean you have to like them.

[Mouth]

If you can accept one superhero in a realistic setting, you can accept them all. Superman is just as plausible as Hulk, Iron Man, Green Lantern, Batman and the rest. It doesn't mean you have to like them.

Good, because I fucking hate Superman.

I realise that I might not have communicated that fact yet.

[Brian Blessed]

No, you've been on the fence until now.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Officially announced that the sequel will be filming in Detroit. Gotham?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/178981-supermanbatman-movie-to-film-in-michigan

[Skidder.]

Officially announced that the sequel will be filming in Detroit. Gotham?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/178981-supermanbatman-movie-to-film-in-michigan

I'd say Metropolis. Quintessential American City, Detroit is itself a very Metropolis in itself, but, with it's industry, I suppose it could in fact pose as potentially both if shot right.



Looks Metropolis-like to me.

[Nessy76]

I'd expect to see scenes in both cities. Batman is much more tied to Gotham than Supes is to Metropolis. He doesn't like leaving the place for too long, while Superman flies round the world regularly.

[Something Awful]

Detroit is in fucking ruins in some parts, yet obviously has the right look to be Metropolis.

Personally I don't care what they're doing, I'm just glad they're putting money into Motown.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Now our DC Entertainment source has provided us with information that Zack Snyder is eyeing Timothy Dalton for the role of Alfred.

We are told it is by no means official, but Snyder, and to an extent David Goyer, have ideas for the major supporting cast members already. We are told Timothy Dalton is being looked at for a different take on Alfred Pennyworth as an example of something that is being thrown about.

Our DC Entertainment source previously provided us with early Man of Steel script information which mentioned the bus crash scene, Lana Lang witnessing Clark using his powers, LexCorps in the skyline, and our DC source most recently had Ben Affleck named as a potentional for Batman as well as Tyler Hoechlin, which I've been able to verify through a second source.

http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/exclusive-zack-snyder-eyeing-timothy-dalton-alfred-batman-superman

[Barefoot Doctor]

I really don't think Cosmic Book News is trustworthy in the slightest, but Dalton would be my No1 pick for Alfred. He'd kill that role, and he's almost 70 now so around the right age.

[Dubred]

Apparently Justin Timberlake is touting himself as loving to play the Riddler if he's in the movie.

Just gets better and better.

Very pessimistic about the whole thing but very willing to be surprised!

[Beav]

Apparently Justin Timberlake is touting himself as loving to play the Riddler if he's in the movie.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Apparently Justin Timberlake is touting himself as loving to play the Riddler if he's in the movie.

Just gets better and better.

Very pessimistic about the whole thing but very willing to be surprised!

[Ultimate Bromance]

Is Cosmic Book News the site that broke the 13-pic Affleck deal and the Cranston as Luthor stories? Heard today whoever it was is infamous for posting bs news just for the hits.

[Skidder.]

Good choice having Dalton as Alfred, about time Dalton got a bit of mainstream work to be honest... Such a good actor.

[Nessy76]

Good choice having Dalton as Alfred, about time Dalton got a bit of mainstream work to be honest... Such a good actor.

Was great in Flash Gordon. And quite good in that Doctor Who he was in, briefly. He was unlucky to get Bond at a time when the producers seemed to have lost all notion of what the character was meant to be.

[Malaysian Kopite]

Was great in Flash Gordon. And quite good in that Doctor Who he was in, briefly. He was unlucky to get Bond at a time when the producers seemed to have lost all notion of what the character was meant to be.

Tbf his Bond wasn't a million miles from Craig's Bond.

[Skidder.]

Was great in Flash Gordon. And quite good in that Doctor Who he was in, briefly. He was unlucky to get Bond at a time when the producers seemed to have lost all notion of what the character was meant to be.

Dalton is a quality actor mate, I hated Hot Fuzz but he was definitely the standout performer in that if you ask me. If you want to see his range, watch Hawks mate, I remember the film he was in Framed being a brilliant film, (I was only young at the time). I was supposed to see him play in His Dark Materials in London in 2004, but the tickets fell through.

Timothy Dalton is a criminally underrated and underused actor, I'm even more happy that he has got this role than I am about Ben Affleck.

Well fucking done Sir!

Tbf his Bond wasn't a million miles from Craig's Bond.

Can't agree with this more than I have done in the past. I think we've spoken about this before MK, Dalton's take on Bond was way beyond it's time and his portrayal as Bond as a dedicated assassin, was too much for some of the mainstream movie-goers. He was also competing with the likes of Willis, Arnie, Stallone and that other prick. Whilst Dalton is what could be seen as a rugged, dark and brooding type, that era of audience did love their all out "good guys win, bad guys lose" action star. Dalton's Bond was as dirty, deplorable and morally ambiguous as the foes he fought.

[Nessy76]

Dalton is a quality actor mate, I hated Hot Fuzz but he was definitely the standout performer in that if you ask me.

I'd forgotten he was in Hot Fuzz, he is awesome in that.

Can't agree with this more than I have done in the past. I think we've spoken about this before MK, Dalton's take on Bond was way beyond it's time and his portrayal as Bond as a dedicated assassin, was too much for some of the mainstream movie-goers. He was also competing with the likes of Willis, Arnie, Stallone and that other prick. Whilst Dalton is what could be seen as a rugged, dark and brooding type, that era of audience did love their all out "good guys win, bad guys lose" action star. Dalton's Bond was as dirty, deplorable and morally ambiguous as the foes he fought.

I think he was quite a bold choice for the part for that reason, but there was so much wrong with those films that had nothing to do with him. In a way, it wrecked his career, he was seen (unfairly) as the man who killed the Bond franchise until Brosnan brought it back with Goldeneye, but again, Brosnan had far better material to work with.

Tbf his Bond wasn't a million miles from Craig's Bond.

That's a good point. As I said, he was unlucky with getting the role when he did. The series had lost all direction.

I'm not personally a big fan of Craig's Bond or the recent films, it's all bit too dour and serious. The usual excuse for this is "we live in more dangerous times" which is utter bullshit. Connery took on the role at the height of the Cold War and still managed to crack a smile every now and then, despite the imminent threat of global thermonuclear war.