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Gakpo was too nice. He stopped over the ball and looked the Lino for guidance on whether he could play it.

Imagine Suarez in this situation. He was desperate for any goal. He would have rolled it into the open net, ran after it, picked it up, and then back to the centre circle where he would have placed it ready for a West Ham restart.

Left the referee to pick up the pieces. Yellow card no problem if given.
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That’s a good point re United, my concerns however are

1)  Would we attract top talent like Alonso if they can’t pick their own players?
2) Where does innovation happen if we are buying players who suit our style of play? Klopp has gone but we will be playing his type of football ad infinitum ? Liverpool played the boot room way for years, pass and move. In the nineties Ferguson brought in a new style with his fast wingers and aggressive pressing. We had to adapt.
3) What is the record of those picking the players? Are they good at it.

Of all clubs Liverpools culture is manager over team. He is the leader of  a city not just a club. The manager not picking the players is changing a fundamental part of our DNA.



You do, but you do it gradually. I keep thinking of a qualification I gained, its related to rewriting IT systems and the basics are start from where you are, don't throw it all away and try to start again when you have a solid base and change things that need changing but don't try to do it all at once. That's how the club are working, they're sticking with what works, but are making tweaks to improve things for the benefit of the club. Klopp said it all got too much for him, thinking of next seasons signings while trying to do pre season, stuff like that.
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Personally,  I prefer the head coach stuff. Let the experts determine the players that are the best fits for us in terms of price and quality.

Managers simply don't have enough time which leads to suboptimal decisions like renewing declining lder players' contract, signing players because they play well against us...

Jurgen said he was exhausted by the responsibility and streamlining the new manager's job would help.
I agree with this and some of the players Klopp was told to get instead of his choices was a good thing (Mane over Goetze, Salah over Brandt).

I do hope there is some form of relationship between Slot and Hughes with regards to positions and players we buy though. Al brought up a good list of players who were brought in during Rodgers time here who I don't believe for a second he wanted.

Take the recent links to Geertruida. He looks like a good young player who is versatile and has one year left on his contract in the summer. Do we need a player in that position though? I think the fact he is at Feyenoord already is just a coincidence.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Last post by KC7 on Today at 09:43:47 am »
We bottled it similar to what happened to Arsenal last year. Arsenal will bottle it this year as well when they lose to spurs. It’s citehs again this season.

We didn't bottle anything. Ultimately our leaky defensive set up with a porous midfield caught up with us.

We've gone behind in 16 PL games, 23 games total for the season, the joint--most (equalling last season). We kept pulling rabbits out of the bag to rescue it, but when it got to the business end when the pressure ramps up it's natural those rescue acts would fade.

This goes back to summer '22 when we didn't address the midfield collapse when there was no longer any legs in there. All the Klopp characteristics about intensity, the press, heavy metal football, all went out the window, and the midfield offered the least resistance to opponents. That season was a write off from that summer window. A year on we only partially addressed this area by bringing in quality 8s, but there is only so much they can do. It's still very disjointed, so much so we've put Mac in the 6 (if it was done as we had an injury crisis fair enough but we don't). It was very easy for opponents to open us up by waltzing through midfield in 22-23, and its only marginally improved this season. We still cough up easy chances as the DM is bottom half standard.

Virgil has had a great season, as has Quansah, but there is fuck all protection in front of them. Trailing behind opposing runners is the theme from the DM. That Atalanta game was a massacre, and they targeted him (both full backs, Tsimikas and Gomez, were also dreadful). What was extraordinary is that less than 72 hour later, the boss selects the same unathletic 31 year old DM who got rinsed in that game to play against Palace, the same opponent who targeted him at their place, and shock horror they exploited him again as we gave up the first half. I've never questioned Klopp before in eight and a half years until I seen the team selection at 1:10pm 50 minutes prior to kick-off as it went against everything he professed..."freshness, energy" and yet less than 72 hours after getting run ragged he picks a player who was goosed to start against another opponent who would go after him. That was the game where I thought he is leaving at the right time for him as he never would have made such an error before. He hooked him at half time, leaving us another game to turn it around in a half of football, but it was one comeback too many and that is the game when it was no longer in our hands. It really seemed to end with that game. But that selection was dreadful. I didn't (couldn't) watch the game after seeing the teamsheet. Watched a film and checked the result, and there was an inevitability about it: shit first half, player gets hauled off, team does everything to turn it around but just falls short this time with the pressure too much given the stakes.

The frustration really is that we are so close to being a top side. And it would have been a great way for Jurgen to go. But you cannot try and wing it by playing such a substandard player in a pivotal position.
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The thing is you don't trust Nunez to do anything. You don't trust him to lead our attack, you don't trust him to counter attack and you don't trust him against a low block.

The thing is the stats don't back that up. For his two seasons at Liverpool he has been pretty much bang on a League goal every 180 minutes. So a goal every other game if he played the full 90 every week. So around 19 League goals per season despite not being a regular penalty taker for us.

At Benfica in his second season he scored a League goal every 76 minutes which is prolific.

So from the age of 21-24 he has scored a League goal every 123 minutes. So if he played 90 minutes in every game he would average out at just under 28 League goals per season from the age of 21-24.

Amazing how a player you wouldn't trust to play in an under 9's 5 a side has a record like that?



The level of mental gymnastics here is incredible. Claims of some hypothetical 19 league goals per season, based upon mashing stats together to create a hypothetical situation, coupled with essentially using a freak year when he wildly outperformed his xG as a foundation for building your entire argument upon. This whilst also cherry-picking timeframes, such as ignoring Darwin's first season at Benfica or even Almeria prior to that for that matter.

 The fact is that despite hypothetical flights of fancy his actual league goals for three of the past four seasons have been 6,9 and (so far) 11. I am not arguing that he was not prolific in 21/22, but as already stated, he wildly outperformed his xG that year. That's not sustainable and given that he has actually underperformed his xG for four of the past five years, combined with his actual goal tally and performances since then, 21/22 begins more and more to look like a freak year such as Clive Allen had back in the 86/87 season. 

Personally, I'm sort of on the fence with him. I wouldn't be too bothered if we sold him, but at the same time wouldn't be up in arms if he stayed on either. I just don't understand this propensity to try and rationalise away all of the issues with him though. 
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Like many here, have tried to convince myself that this new era is going to be amazing because our owners would never do the wrong thing or make a mistake. My mind though is changing daily ...

The boss knew the club would need to find a replacement swiftly, but perhaps, at least judging by his reaction yesterday, the manner and means of doing so have not impressed Klopp whatsoever. Didn't seem at all impressed by the news himself and can see why. While it has not been dragged out too long, the process smacked of cheap sideshow to an important end of season run, in which we have now spectacularly imploded.

The usual cheap ass budget will re-surface and will leave the same old problems, like not plugging obvious gaps, if previous history tells us anything.

We've imploded for a month now.

We were living on our luck and the momentum of coming from behind to win every week, last minute winners. Once we lost the momentum over the two United games we couldn't get it back and collapsed.

Atalanta and Palace games were a team shellshocked and crippled by fear and we were out of Europe and the title race over those few days. Ultimately Klopp is hurting as we won't get the title or European trophy to sign off, but we knew that after those two games.

There was never any belief we could win away at Fulham, Everton and West Ham in the space of 6 days. The consensus was we'd do well to win 2.

Ideally, the manager announcement could wait a month, but it was always going to leak and we needed to get it sorted given numerous top clubs will be looking for managers this summer in a weak field.
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2016 – We lost the first leg of our UEFA Europa League Semi-final 1-0 at Villarreal thanks to a stoppage-time Adrián López strike. However, we won the Anfield return 3-0 to reach the Final in Basel.
Fond memories of this tie as got to see both legs. Love a European semi-final and this was a belter. High up in their stadium, the travelling Reds were in good spirits despite the 1-0 defeat. “Relax…We’ll turn things around at Anfield” was the general mood, epitomised by a long and VERY loud rendition of Three Little Birds as we were waiting to be let out. Great little town as well, very friendly locals.

The return leg I ended up in a cracking seat in the main stand, low down, half way line. Really good atmosphere too, in fact that campaign had fantastic atmospheres in general due to the teams we played and the results we got. Shame about the final, but still really fond memories of that Europa League campaign. The excitement of having Jürgen, unbelievable bus welcomes. The place was buzzing. Cheered me up no end thinking back to that, cheers! :)
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Am I just being weird here, surely the coach would say, I need a right winger, the crew would bugger off and find a list of say five and the manager would pick the player?
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Surely this is also the flaw in the all powerful manager model?  For all their success, United have spent a huge amount of money and time trying to find the the next Busby or the next Ferguson.  18 of their 20 league titles and all their European Cups have been won by just 2 managers!  Everything goes tits up when the glorious reign comes to an end.  No continuity.

Txiki Bgiristain was DoF at Barcelona and now City.  He hires the coaches and players to suit the style of play he decided on i.e principles of Cruyff.  When Guardiola goes he will find a coach compatible with the way they play.  Since he and Pep are completely on the same page and have worked together for so long Pep does actually get a say in identifying transfer targets.  Pellegrini didn't and the next City coach won't.  It will probably someone we haven't heard of from Barcelona B!

That’s a good point re United, my concerns however are

1)  Would we attract top talent like Alonso if they can’t pick their own players?
2) Where does innovation happen if we are buying players who suit our style of play? Klopp has gone but we will be playing his type of football ad infinitum ? Liverpool played the boot room way for years, pass and move. In the nineties Ferguson brought in a new style with his fast wingers and aggressive pressing. We had to adapt.
3) What is the record of those picking the players? Are they good at it.

Of all clubs Liverpools culture is manager over team. He is the leader of  a city not just a club. The manager not picking the players is changing a fundamental part of our DNA.

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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Last post by pascoli on Today at 09:39:07 am »
Not sure if theres been any theories today on what happened but this was mine, klopp was trying to make 3 subs including Salah and Gomez, did Klopp try and get the 3 subs on at a break of play at 2-1 only for salah not to be ready and then west ham go on to equalise at 2-2 in a situation that Klopp thought Gomez would have defended better than the man he was subbing in Trent? Did Klopp go up to Salah then after the delay, pissed off and say something like "are you sure you're ready now?"

Just a theory, may be completely wrong.

Did you watch the game?

The equalising goal didn't go in until after they had the argument?
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