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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12480 on: April 16, 2024, 10:46:32 pm »
These are going to end up as tenants  ;D
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12481 on: April 16, 2024, 10:51:48 pm »
They’ve not got a great record as tenants
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12482 on: April 16, 2024, 11:30:52 pm »
They’ve not got a great record as tenants

Who would they go to for a reference??
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12483 on: April 17, 2024, 12:07:12 am »
How much are Everton losing a month?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12484 on: April 17, 2024, 12:07:15 am »
These are basically getting picked up by a loan shark... I would rather go into administration than get taken over by these.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12485 on: April 17, 2024, 12:49:22 am »
They are now a skint unwanted loser who has some items they can flog at cash converter and a mortgage on a property they cannot afford to pay. They spend most of their moaning at the world and claiming it's everybody's fault but they got into a relationship with a crook and are paying the price for that not working out and wasting the largesse the money laundering shyster initially pushed their way. Loan sharks are the only people that want to know them because they are still getting cheques, despite the fact they are spending it as soon as it comes in, and more.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12486 on: April 17, 2024, 06:20:38 am »
How much are Everton losing a month?

Three or four games

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12487 on: April 17, 2024, 06:24:12 am »
I can take these staying up, only as long as the PL absolutely insists they sell and don't buy, starting this summer. It's clear that they've been given incredibly lenient treatment, purely because the league is probably worried they'll actually go bust otherwise. And yet despite all that, Everton have continued to take the absolute piss with net spend, wages:turnover going up etc.

From this summer though, they surely have to be told in no uncertain terms that it's a negative net spend of £50m or face massive penalties. They can't not sell at least two of Onana, Pickford, Branthwaite and Calvert-Lewin.

No more Portuguese journeymen for £30m either.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12488 on: April 17, 2024, 07:30:59 am »
I enjoy watching them get battered on the park and would be happy to see them relegated on football reasons. But there's no joy to be had in watching what's happening to them financially. If they go bust, moshiri might lose a few quid but no doubt still be worth hundreds of millions, the senior players will move to other clubs on big money, it will be the working class staff and young players who will suffer as usual.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12489 on: April 17, 2024, 10:34:42 am »
So MSP, Bell, Downing AND Moshiri lent 777 partners £158 million snots, but 777 partners have lent Everton about £200 million snots for the day to day  running?

Wait, what? Moshiri lent 777 money to lend to Everton? Da fuq?

Why are these lot even being given more time anyway? How many chances are Everton allowed to get to escape the consequences of their own ineptitude? Or are the PL just feeding them more rope to hang themselves with?

It was said a few pages back that if Everton go into administration now, the points deduction will be applied next season. It's also been said they could be facing further points deductions next season, something like 5 points?

Starting next season on -14 would leave them with a mountain to climb.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12490 on: April 17, 2024, 10:45:35 am »
Wait, what? Moshiri lent 777 money to lend to Everton? Da fuq?

Why are these lot even being given more time anyway? How many chances are Everton allowed to get to escape the consequences of their own ineptitude? Or are the PL just feeding them more rope to hang themselves with?

It was said a few pages back that if Everton go into administration now, the points deduction will be applied next season. It's also been said they could be facing further points deductions next season, something like 5 points?

Starting next season on -14 would leave them with a mountain to climb.

Any further points deduction applied next season would see them in a heap of trouble. They have no money to spend, will likely have to sell a few saleable assets and the teams likely to be promoted are clearly better than those promoted last season - with one of them facing points deduction as well.

They are in a world of trouble, and it has been obvious for many months that they are right on the brink of administration.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12491 on: April 17, 2024, 10:47:45 am »
Any further points deduction applied next season would see them in a heap of trouble. They have no money to spend, will likely have to sell a few saleable assets and the teams likely to be promoted are clearly better than those promoted last season - with one of them facing points deduction as well.

They are in a world of trouble, and it has been obvious for many months that they are right on the brink of administration.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12493 on: April 17, 2024, 11:19:38 am »
In this article:-

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/16/everton-takeover-777-gets-extension-to-repay-160m-loan

This bit jumped out to me:-

MSP, Bell and Downing hold security over the new stadium ­development at Bramley-Moore Dock, as well as a charge over just over half of Moshiri’s 94% stake in the club, according to corporate documents filed in the Isle of Man. They could have chosen to have taken control of Everton themselves on Monday, but instead have granted 777 more time to repay the debt.

I did actually read this, that MSP could have taken control on Monday but it sounds to me like they effectively can call this debt in at any time and take control? Or are all bets off if MSP get their money and control then effectively moves to 777? Is 'MSP, Bell and Downing' classed as a single entity or is this control split three ways?
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12494 on: April 17, 2024, 11:35:18 am »
These are basically getting picked up by a loan shark... I would rather go into administration than get taken over by these.

They're worse than that - they made their money from basically buying up settlements from people (often not in a great position to consent) at cut-down prices. No ethical billionaires and all that, but really not a great bunch of lads.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12495 on: April 17, 2024, 11:36:55 am »
In this article:-

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/16/everton-takeover-777-gets-extension-to-repay-160m-loan

This bit jumped out to me:-

MSP, Bell and Downing hold security over the new stadium ­development at Bramley-Moore Dock, as well as a charge over just over half of Moshiri’s 94% stake in the club, according to corporate documents filed in the Isle of Man. They could have chosen to have taken control of Everton themselves on Monday, but instead have granted 777 more time to repay the debt.

I did actually read this, that MSP could have taken control on Monday but it sounds to me like they effectively can call this debt in at any time and take control? Or are all bets off if MSP get their money and control then effectively moves to 777? Is 'MSP, Bell and Downing' classed as a single entity or is this control split three ways?

I wonder if they think they can get a better deal by allowing it to go into administration and wiping off a lot of the debt for cheap. A few weeks may allow them to see if the additional point deduction would relegate them or not.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12496 on: April 17, 2024, 11:43:22 am »
What's the current plan for the site when they (if it happens) vacate Goodison?

Feel like a hotel would do well there and might bring in jobs for the area, but I don;t know how popular that might be.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12497 on: April 17, 2024, 12:05:49 pm »
I can take these staying up, only as long as the PL absolutely insists they sell and don't buy, starting this summer.
Weren't the transfer fees from one or more of last summer's incomings deferred to this summer?

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12498 on: April 17, 2024, 12:11:35 pm »
I wonder if they think they can get a better deal by allowing it to go into administration and wiping off a lot of the debt for cheap. A few weeks may allow them to see if the additional point deduction would relegate them or not.
I suspect that Moshiri is looking for the best deal for Moshiri which some would say is history repeating itself because the deal that Kenwright did with Moshiri always felt like the best deal for Kenwright.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12499 on: April 17, 2024, 12:37:19 pm »
I suspect that Moshiri is looking for the best deal for Moshiri which some would say is history repeating itself because the deal that Kenwright did with Moshiri always felt like the best deal for Kenwright.

to be honest with the loan repayment being missed it appears it's likely out of his hands right now if MSP decide to push things.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12500 on: April 17, 2024, 01:04:32 pm »
He's probably loaning 777 the money, that's why he negotiated on their behalf the other day

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12501 on: April 17, 2024, 01:05:11 pm »
What's the current plan for the site when they (if it happens) vacate Goodison?

Feel like a hotel would do well there and might bring in jobs for the area, but I don;t know how popular that might be.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12502 on: April 17, 2024, 01:08:22 pm »
Just to see the fume is there a single player in their squad we could make an offer on this summer? They are going to have to have a fire sale and we should definitely troll them with silly low ball offers.
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« Reply #12503 on: April 17, 2024, 01:09:40 pm »
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12504 on: April 17, 2024, 01:17:00 pm »
Without 777's loans they'd have gone into administration by now and probably been relegated. However, 777 are being chased for money in the courts, in the US and UK.

From the FT "US insurance group A-Cap, a lender to 777, late last month said it would attempt to raise $400mn in fresh capital and take back control of assets ceded to 777 Re because of credit rating downgrades. Separately, a lawsuit filed in New York last week sought to prevent the transfer of 777 Partners’ assets to a co-founder to protect creditors’ interests, calling the firm a “house of cards”. 777 declined to comment on the court case."

"The American firm is being pursued for $28.5m (£22.4m) in the UK High Court over alleged unpaid aircraft leasing fees. "

"The proposed takeover of Everton has moved into added time after the bidder 777 Partners was granted a last-minute extension to repay a £160m loan."

"MSP, Bell and Downing hold security over the new stadium ­development at Bramley-Moore Dock, as well as a charge over just over half of Moshiri’s 94% stake in the club, according to corporate documents filed in the Isle of Man. They could have chosen to have taken control of Everton themselves on Monday, but instead have granted 777 more time to repay the debt."

"The club have had to borrow hundreds of millions of pounds over the past two years to fund their operations, with debts to third-party lenders now thought to total about £550m."

"Everton have paid about £30m in interest charges to an opaque lender associated with the tax exile Michael Tabor, according to corporate records. The charges appear to have reached about £438,000 a week, according to the troubled club’s most recent set of accounts"

They're an absolute shambles financially, if they get relegated they could genuinely be liquidated. I wouldn't be surprised if at the very least they head into administration by the end of the season. You'd expect a buyer to come in, if they defaulted on the loan - don't think they'd actually be liquidated. 
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12505 on: April 17, 2024, 01:18:11 pm »
These are basically getting picked up by a loan shark... I would rather go into administration than get taken over by these.

I was among MANY on here who openly said that they'd take administration and relegation if it meant getting the cowboys out.
Yet to hear a similar sentiment from an Evertonian.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12506 on: April 17, 2024, 01:20:12 pm »
Weren't the transfer fees from one or more of last summer's incomings deferred to this summer?

Beto's transfer fee was definitely deferred to this summer

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12507 on: April 17, 2024, 01:40:26 pm »
Beto's transfer fee was definitely deferred to this summer
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12508 on: April 17, 2024, 01:42:05 pm »
In this article:-

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/16/everton-takeover-777-gets-extension-to-repay-160m-loan

This bit jumped out to me:-

MSP, Bell and Downing hold security over the new stadium ­development at Bramley-Moore Dock, as well as a charge over just over half of Moshiri’s 94% stake in the club, according to corporate documents filed in the Isle of Man. They could have chosen to have taken control of Everton themselves on Monday, but instead have granted 777 more time to repay the debt.

I did actually read this, that MSP could have taken control on Monday but it sounds to me like they effectively can call this debt in at any time and take control? Or are all bets off if MSP get their money and control then effectively moves to 777? Is 'MSP, Bell and Downing' classed as a single entity or is this control split three ways?

Look at it logically.
If they took over the BMD now, it would cost them many millions to finish, and then they would have the uncertainty of whether Everton could afford to move there and pay rent. (Mestella?)
At present their “investment” allows them to sit back and let EFC/777 continue to find the money to finish the stadium, and pay the interest payments for a longer period. If the 777 bid fails then the stadium will be a couple of months nearer to completion before they call in the loan and take control of the stadium, saving them millions in the process.
If the club looks like folding, they can call in the loan and they then  get BMD. For them, it is better that the club folds once the ground is completed, then they get the finished article.
If 777 get the cash together, then the consortium will get its loan back but will have been rinsing the club for the interest payments.
Moshiri is supposed to be replacing 777’s payday loans with his own money?..
I can only assume he will be lending them at high interest. He won’t be shoving it in as equity as that would mean his stake in the club will go beyond what it is worth and he won’t get it back.

If 777 get the money together, then they get their
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12509 on: April 17, 2024, 01:42:56 pm »
I'm the only red in my family, the others are blues, as are all my in-laws ... and they are ALL blisfully ignorant at just how much shit they are in. Don't know whether it's denial or just not wanting to know.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12510 on: April 17, 2024, 01:58:30 pm »
If I was a contractor at BMD I'd be seriously worried that I would get paid and I'd down tools at this time until I was sure.


If BMD falls into someones hands so does the responsibility for getting it finished.


If you have a stadium that costs £750m and Everton as the only possible tenant, how the hell do you expect that tenant to generate enough revenue to pay the costs back. No-one in the private sector stands up and volunteers to take losses, the public sector has no cash (or inclination) to step in either.
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« Reply #12511 on: April 17, 2024, 02:06:08 pm »
I'm the only red in my family, the others are blues, as are all my in-laws ... and they are ALL blisfully ignorant at just how much shit they are in. Don't know whether it's denial or just not wanting to know.
I think some get it, but not many. Most have their heads firmly stuck in the Bramley Moore sand.

My cousin's partner is a blue. A proper, level-headed, honest person. I was speaking with her last week, saying we'd be out on the streets if those 777 lunatics were trying to buy us. She agreed, and can't believe the apathy amongst so many blues on the subject.

My blue neighbour, an old school blue in his late 60s said last week that they're in the shit. So, some are aware. Most are seemingly going down the blissful ignorance route, though.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12512 on: April 17, 2024, 02:33:04 pm »
What, they actually paid Money for Beto?!😂

£25.8 million apparently  :lmao

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« Reply #12513 on: April 17, 2024, 03:00:13 pm »
£25.8 million apparently  :lmao
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12514 on: April 17, 2024, 03:29:47 pm »
It's such a shitshow, this.

They have Moshiri who doesn't have any dough and clearly doesn't want the club anymore and looks set to lose about a billion quid, MSP et al who also clearly don't want the club (especially now with this 777 debt) but the only way they can claw back their money is to enforce the charge they have on the stadium/club and these 777 shysters who can't even raise enough money to finance their latest swindle.

I'm trying to work out the next moves from all parties, but it's sophie's choice everywhere you turn. To my mind they are hair's breadth away from administration. The reason that 777 have been given so much leeway is because they're the only runner, the only option for MSP to recoup their money. If they fail to pony up then MSP are left with a choice to take over the club themselves (with all these obscene debts and the albatross of a stadium) or wind them up. I can't see it being the former.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12515 on: April 17, 2024, 03:37:52 pm »
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12516 on: April 17, 2024, 03:47:20 pm »
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12517 on: April 17, 2024, 04:05:35 pm »
Weren't the transfer fees from one or more of last summer's incomings deferred to this summer?

Wow, even worse then.

If the PL doesn't force these to raise at least £75m in sales (before any incoming transfers), then the rules are even more meaningless than we thought.

But overall, I do actually think they'll either get relegated this season (if administration happens sooner rather than later) or next season with the cuts they'll simply have to make to their squad.

They're fucked.

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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12518 on: April 17, 2024, 04:09:17 pm »
Wow, even worse then.

If the PL doesn't force these to raise at least £75m in sales (before any incoming transfers), then the rules are even more meaningless than we thought.

But overall, I do actually think they'll either get relegated this season (if administration happens sooner rather than later) or next season with the cuts they'll simply have to make to their squad.

They're fucked.

Deadline has passed to put a 9 point Administration on EFC this season.

If they go into admin, then the 9 points gets deducted next season.
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Re: Everton - The 777 Unflushables
« Reply #12519 on: April 17, 2024, 04:14:41 pm »
Remember Kenwright smugly said a director of top club told him " we always say " What would Everton do?"



Maybe he didn't add..." Lets not do that"