Topic: Man City - Cheating Bastards on & off the pitch - 115 Charges

[decosabute]

At this stage of the season, when they are chasing a consecutive treble, the cheats have zero players out injured. That’s some very special kind of ‘sports science’ at work there.

Looking forward to seeing nearly-34-year-old Kyle Walker outpacing Vinicius Jr as well. Totally normal.

[Trump's tiny tiny hands]

That's interesting - particularly the bit about the charges only going up to 2018.  There's no doubt in my mind that the discrepancies pre-2018 have facilitated the success post 2018.

I'm sure there will be fresh charges post 2018 incoming but one way to deal with their ill gotten gains pre 2018 is to make them forfeit the points to the opposition, in which games the players/coaches participated in, that were signed/paid while breaking the rules. This means games after 2018 are also effected, as those players/coaches are still involved.

If those points end up changing the points total teams ended up on, then City should pay them compensation (as fines). So if teams no longer would've been relegated? They get paid. Would've been in Europe? Get paid. Any titles/finals lost? Get paid AND get your deserved title.

[deano2727]

I'm sure there will be fresh charges post 2018 incoming but one way to deal with their ill gotten gains pre 2018 is to make them forfeit the points to the opposition, in which games the players/coaches participated in, that were signed/paid while breaking the rules. This means games after 2018 are also effected, as those players/coaches are still involved.

If those points end up changing the points total teams ended up on, then City should pay them compensation (as fines). So if teams no longer would've been relegated? They get paid. Would've been in Europe? Get paid. Any titles/finals lost? Get paid AND get your deserved title.

This will never happen in a million years. I'd expect a points deduction exclusive to the following season after the ruling, 1-2 years transfer ban and some fines. Then, they can carry on with their ill gotten gains.

EDIT: If they don't get away with it again on some loophole.

[UntouchableLuis]

Yeh trophies being given out to the rightful winners just isn't happening. The top wigs of football would be admitting that the last 6 years plus of football in England was a total farce.

It's quite sad that the only realistic way anyone can win the title other than City most seasons will be if they kick the season off on -10 or something.

[BarryCrocker]

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[LovelyCushionedHeader]

That's interesting - particularly the bit about the charges only going up to 2018.  There's no doubt in my mind that the discrepancies pre-2018 have facilitated the success post 2018.

They only haven't been charged post 2018 because that's when the investigation began and they stopped co-operating at that point.

If they are found guilty on their current charges, additional charges will follow for 2018-2024 I'm sure.

[Legs]

They only haven't been charged post 2018 because that's when the investigation began and they stopped co-operating at that point.

If they are found guilty on their current charges, additional charges will follow for 2018-2024 I'm sure.

Correct what is bizarre is how they are refusing to cooperate that should set alarm bells and they should be kicked out the league as it shows they have things to hide.

Be like driving your car when it is all over the place and the police ask you to stop and take a breathalyser and you go “NO” and police go that’s ok you are free to drive off !

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

Well, quite. Non-compliance and non-co-operation has to be an offence in itself, and an immediately punishable one at that. It's bizarre that an organisation like the PL doesn't have legislation in place that makes that perfectly clear, if it has any competence at all. Won't give us the correct documents? Okay, you're suspended from the league until you do so. All your fixtures will be awarded as 3-0 wins to the opposition.

[Mister Flip Flop]

At this stage of the season, when they are chasing a consecutive treble, the cheats have zero players out injured. That’s some very special kind of ‘sports science’ at work there.

The "nothing to see here", "you are paranoid" crew will be along in a minute to tell you that you are being silly.

Having a convicted drug cheat manager is also just a coincidence.

[Oh Campione]

The "nothing to see here", "you are paranoid" crew will be along in a minute to tell you that you are being silly.

Having a convicted drug cheat manager is also just a coincidence.

Yes - because performance enhancing drugs are renowned for preventing muscle strains and impact injuries common in football.  You are all being silly.

Fulham currently have zero injuries as well, not sure Marco Silva ever got done for performance drugs in his career but you never know

[Mister Flip Flop]

Yeh trophies being given out to the rightful winners just isn't happening. The top wigs of football would be admitting that the last 6 years plus of football in England was a total farce.

It's quite sad that the only realistic way anyone can win the title other than City most seasons will be if they kick the season off on -10 or something.

Which is why i'm done with the game if they don't take away their titles. Other sports deal with cheats in an appropriate way, if the premier league don't then it's not a sport anymore. Financial doping is as bad as performance enhancing drugs.

[JRed]

Yes - because performance enhancing drugs are renowned for preventing muscle strains and impact injuries common in football.  You are all being silly.

Fulham currently have zero injuries as well, not sure Marco Silva ever got done for performance drugs in his career but you never know

Yeah I’m sure Fulham and Abu Dhabi have played the same amount of games too both this season and over the last few seasons.
Ped’s magic juice works wonders for the Abu Dhabi players.

[Paul JH]

Was talking to a mate about them, and realised how many dodgy VAR decisions do they ever have against them? It's barely any isn't it? Like, I can't remember many, if any at all. Yet the likes of us get shed loads.

If we are going into conspiracy bought off mode like ...

Not sure about the drugs / no injuries thing .. sounds a bit Everton fans v us.

[JRed]

Was talking to a mate about them, and realised how many dodgy VAR decisions do they ever have against them? It's barely any isn't it? Like, I can't remember many, if any at all. Yet the likes of us get shed loads.

If we are going into conspiracy bought off mode like ...

I’m not sure there has ever been one.

[GreatEx]

Look, I'm sure if Man City and the drug testers ever manage to coordinate their calendars, they will be able to prove to you they're clean.

[Paul JH]

I’m not sure there has ever been one.

Since the ref pulled play back on Grealish especially, they've not suffered ANY rubbish refereeing performances at all. Not one. And I can't remember a single VAR decision that was dodgy against them.

[Kopenhagen]

Was talking to a mate about them, and realised how many dodgy VAR decisions do they ever have against them? It's barely any isn't it? Like, I can't remember many, if any at all. Yet the likes of us get shed loads.

If we are going into conspiracy bought off mode like ...

Not sure about the drugs / no injuries thing .. sounds a bit Everton fans v us.

There haven't been any.

[JRed]

Since the ref pulled play back on Haaland especially, they've not suffered ANY rubbish refereeing performances at all. Not one. And I can't remember a single VAR decision that was dodgy against them.

Do you mean Grealish?
That was made out to be a monumental error to try and show that it happens to every team. I slosh ( predictive text error for Grealish but I think it fits so I’ll leave it in) was never scoring from there anyway.

[Peabee]

Yes - because performance enhancing drugs are renowned for preventing muscle strains and impact injuries common in football.  You are all being silly.

Fulham currently have zero injuries as well, not sure Marco Silva ever got done for performance drugs in his career but you never know

Er, there are plenty of PEDs that aid/speed-up recovery, fatigue or pain. I'm not saying City are doping, but using PEDs could prevent injuries, lead to faster recovery from injury and training or even mask pain caused by injury for important games. Lots of diuretics and other masking agents to hide doping too.

[Paul JH]

Do you mean Grealish?
That was made out to be a monumental error to try and show that it happens to every team. I slosh ( predictive text error for Grealish but I think it fits so I’ll leave it in) was never scoring from there anyway.

That's the one. But the fuss that was made of it, since then, they've had even LESS decisions go against them. Not one. Hasn't been a single 'not sure about that' decision go against them. Not once.

[Oh Campione]

Er, there are plenty of PEDs that aid/speed-up recovery, fatigue or pain. I'm not saying City are doping, but using PEDs could prevent injuries, lead to faster recovery from injury and training or even mask pain caused by injury for important games. Lots of diuretics and other masking agents to hide doping too.

Yes, they can aid recovery but won't magicly make a team injury free

As said further up the thread this is all getting a bit Everton, they are financial cheats but the doping thing is nonsense.

De Bruyne, Haaland, Walker, Ederson, Stones and Ake have all missed time recently

[Peabee]

Yes, they can aid recovery but won't magicly make a team injury free

As said further up the thread this is all getting a bit Everton, they are financial cheats but the doping thing is nonsense.

De Bruyne, Haaland, Walker, Ederson, Stones and Ake have all missed time recently

Agreed. It's the financial doping that needs to be focused on.

[Paul JH]

As said further up the thread this is all getting a bit Everton, they are financial cheats but the doping thing is nonsense.

Agreed. Come on lads, all sounds a bit 'Klopp and those inhalers' bollocks. Could footballers dope? Yes. Obviously. Are City? God knows, but they are where they are through other nefarious means, mainly financial being able to buy the best players and put them on silly contracts. And paying off refs.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Agreed. Come on lads, all sounds a bit 'Klopp and those inhalers' bollocks. Could footballers dope? Yes. Obviously. Are City? God knows, but they are where they are through other nefarious means, mainly financial being able to buy the best players and put them on silly contracts. And paying off refs.

They are proven financial cheats which means they will cheat to achieve success. Their manager is a proven drug cheat and their players have a miraculous injury record. It's not a massive jump it really isn't. They are the Lance Armstrong of football, as in everybody knows they are cheating and yet because the money is rolling in everyone plays along.

[Barneylfc∗]

Was talking to a mate about them, and realised how many dodgy VAR decisions do they ever have against them? It's barely any isn't it? Like, I can't remember many, if any at all. Yet the likes of us get shed loads.

If we are going into conspiracy bought off mode like ...

The only one I can think of that is even vaguely controversial is the Trent handball when Fabinho scored 30 seconds or so later. If memory serves me right it only hit Trent's hand via a deflection, so the ref/VAR was justified in not pulling it back.

Which is also a good excuse for someone to post the TWIIIIIIIICE gif 

[Barneylfc∗]

Yes, they can aid recovery but won't magicly make a team injury free

As said further up the thread this is all getting a bit Everton, they are financial cheats but the doping thing is nonsense.

De Bruyne, Haaland, Walker, Ederson, Stones and Ake have all missed time recently

Would it surprise you if it did come out that there was systematic doping at the club though? At the end of the day their manager has previous, and the doctor supplying him with peds has followed him from Brescia to Barca to Abu Dhabi.
It's highly likely they aren't doping, but I'll not be 100% convinced of it.

[Egyptian36]

Wouldn't put anything past them but most likely it's because they rest with the ball during games

[Dim Glas]

One cheats with a dispensation from the league, the other cheats with the league turning a blind eye.

Look I realise there is a difference, but in pro sport there is rarely such a thing as clean hands.

it’s not cheating though is it, when it’s an actual rule     Wolfsburg and Bayer 04 are granted exemption from the 50+1 rule by the league. As others can be (Hoffenheim did, but now don't).  The one team pushing the boundaries of being cheats in that league is RB Leipzig, who get around the 50+1 rule by having a very small membership group.

[paulrazor]

That's interesting - particularly the bit about the charges only going up to 2018.  There's no doubt in my mind that the discrepancies pre-2018 have facilitated the success post 2018.

It is indeed something I have wondered

1. What else has gone on since then charge wise? Will there be more?
2. Post 2018 are benefitting still from players who are at the club since before then IE: Ederson, Kyle Walker, John Stones, Kevin De bruyne, probably others too as well as some who left the club like Raheem Sterling, Fernandinho, David Silva, Vincent Kompany etc

[jacobs chains]

it’s not cheating though is it, when it’s an actual rule     Wolfsburg and Bayer 04 are granted exemption from the 50+1 rule by the league. As others can be (Hoffenheim did, but now don't).  The one team pushing the boundaries of being cheats in that league is RB Leipzig, who get around the 50+1 rule by having a very small membership group.

Well.. I think it depends on your perspective. If you've just finished runner up to a team that would have gone bust a few years ago if the owner hadn't pumped £100m in I'm sure you would think rule bending is pretty close to rule breaking. The original question was is the German league clean, to which I'd say little in life is 100% clean.

Oh, and the company Bayer are 100% c*nts.

[Rush 82]

This whole saga has soured my feelings about football in a way I would not have believed possible just a few years ago.

Makes the title race meaningless when these fuckers play with a cheat code all the time.

Blech!

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The only one I can think of that is even vaguely controversial is the Trent handball when Fabinho scored 30 seconds or so later. If memory serves me right it only hit Trent's hand via a deflection, so the ref/VAR was justified in not pulling it back.

Which is also a good excuse for someone to post the TWIIIIIIIICE gif 

Not just via a deflection, but via a deflection from Silva's hand!

[Dim Glas]

Well.. I think it depends on your perspective. If you've just finished runner up to a team that would have gone bust a few years ago if the owner hadn't pumped £100m in I'm sure you would think rule bending is pretty close to rule breaking. The original question was is the German league clean, to which I'd say little in life is 100% clean.

Oh, and the company Bayer are 100% c*nts.

Not even sure what you are trying to get at to be honest.  Owners can and do give teams’ money no? Did Leverkusen somehow do something wrong? Happy to be educated, I genuinely can’t recall. They aren’t breaking rules by not complying to 50+1. 

Sure, no league is ‘clean’. But there are leagues that still at the moment do care about what they put out there, and are full of fan-groups that do their utmost to keep them in check, something that the PL doesn’t do of course. Good example of that fan-power this season with Bundesliga, was them protesting the league selling media rights, and they won that battle. Same as they won the no matches on Monday night TV battle. It is possible to fight back.

[LFCEmpire]

Said it in the Chelsea thread maaany years ago that I was looking forward to spitting on their graves when the oil baron would be over with them. That time has thankfully come and passed.

I say it again now. I can not wait for City to get their judgement and I will be there to dance and piss on their sorrow excuse of a football club.

[lobsterboy]

Chelsea have still spent oligarch levels of money and can get around FFP by selling their hotels back to themselves through shell companies.
Footballs done.
The corruption is spreading like gangrene.

[JRed]

Agreed. Come on lads, all sounds a bit 'Klopp and those inhalers' bollocks. Could footballers dope? Yes. Obviously. Are City? God knows, but they are where they are through other nefarious means, mainly financial being able to buy the best players and put them on silly contracts. And paying off refs.

The difference being, Ped himself was a convicted drugs cheat as a player.

[Jambo Power]

Where has Guardiola done it twice?

[paulrazor]

Where has Guardiola done it twice?

Anfield 2019

[Barneylfc∗]

Where has Guardiola done it twice?

Assuming you're referring to doping, he was convicted as a player at Brescia after 2 failed drugs tests, and Barcelona were fined in 2010 for their players not being available for testing. Ped was manager with Ramon Segura the club doctor.

[Claire.]

What was that then with the trophies for haaland and Rodri?