Topic: Anfield Road Extension - Construction work resumed on 12th September 2023.

[Barneylfc∗]

WTF have I done now? 

Picked West Ham to win.

[CraigDS]

Picked West Ham to win.

 

[El Lobo]

Picked West Ham to win.

We could have funded the work ourselves   

[Barneylfc∗]

We could have funded the work ourselves   

8 * £323000

2 and a half million quid.

FFS Craig

[Alan_X]

Wouldn't it be nice to take advantage of the corner?

If you mean put seats there, they would have massive roof supports blocking any view of the pitch.

[meady1981]

If you mean put seats there, they would have massive roof supports blocking any view of the pitch.

Think he means something like this

[El Lobo]

Could you put a lift for disabled people in the helter skelter?

[meady1981]

Could you put a lift for disabled people in the helter skelter?

The club would have to knock the Helter skelter down to build lifts, then build a new helter skelter around the lifts. But they don't own the helter skelter so they can't. They had the chance to buy it for a quid in 1932, but the owners said 'TO HELL-TER WITH THE SKELTER' and decided to paint it instead. Now it's there forever.

[Crosby Nick]

Think he means something like this

When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride til I get to the bottom and see JURGEN, yeah yeah yeah!

[afc tukrish]

Could you put a lift for disabled people in the helter skelter?

Bolasie would celebrate if this were done...

[Son of Spion]

Think he means something like this

I've missed your architectural input. 

[redgriffin73]

Wouldn't it be nice to take advantage of the corner?

Divock statue?

[oojason]

Divock statue?

Nicely done

[afc tukrish]

Nicely done

Genius...

[CraigDS]

I mean maybe one of the ball boy?

[meady1981]

Divock statue?

[Crosby Nick]

Think it needs to be facing the other way, so he’s peering into the stadium and intimidating opposition keepers at the Kop end.

[meady1981]

Can’t be arsed Nick

[24/7]

That crosses a line, Al, incredibly poor taste in my personal view. Discussion is initiated in the Staff Room to see what the collective view is. In the meantime, speaking as a moderator, this can stay locked until wiser heads than mine have had a look. Fuckinell though mate...........that's poor even by your occasionally very low levels.

[Alan_X]

Agreed Jim. Off the scale in my view. How anyone would think it was appropriate to bring the invasiion of Ukraine into a thread about extra seats at a football ground is beyond me. Have a few days off and think about your priotities.

[Terry de Niro]

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[kavah]

Think it needs to be facing the other way, so he’s peering into the stadium and intimidating opposition keepers at the Kop end.

With an internal staircase like the Statue of Liberty

[Persephone]

Glorious. Let it be so!

[rob1966]

Needs a Trent one too, with him taking the corner

[PaulD]

better do it quickly

[Machae]

Love the stadium designs and its going to look phenomenal when complete. Its a shame all the stands cannot be updated too, but understandable given the limited space.

The only thing I would love (and to satisfy my inner OCD) is uniformity of the roof (all 4 stands). However I appreciate some like the distinct aesthetics separation brings

[ScubaSteve]

Wouldn't it be nice to take advantage of the corner?

Yeah definitely. More seats plus it’ll probably look better too

[btroom]

Wouldn't it be nice to take advantage of the corner?

that would make anfield look like old trafford. so no thanks keep anfield unique

[PeterTheRed ...]

that would make anfield look like old trafford. so no thanks keep anfield unique

Anfield is designed in a different way, so we can't make it like Old Trafford, even if we wanted something like that. I am hoping that eventually we will buy those houses on Skerries Rd and upgrade the King Kenny Stand up to the hight of the Main Stand, but I don't think it will happen soon. Still, it is our only option for taking the Anfield capacity to 70,000. For now, we will have to settle for the 61,000 ...

[Peter McGurk]

Anfield is designed in a different way, so we can't make it like Old Trafford, even if we wanted something like that. I am hoping that eventually we will buy those houses on Skerries Rd and upgrade the King Kenny Stand up to the hight of the Main Stand, but I don't think it will happen soon. Still, it is our only option for taking the Anfield capacity to 70,000. For now, we will have to settle for the 61,000 ...

The corners can be filled in (and it would look more like Dortmund than Old Trafford) - and it would be done the same way that is was done in Dortmund (by holding the ends of each roof up with 'tension masts' rather than columns down to the ground that block views).

But most of the corners at the ARE are already filled in (at the lower levels), so there's relatively little to be gained. There are quite a lot of seats that don't look 90 deg to the pitch as a result and the geometry of a new SKD would probably be similar to the main stand.

There's a little more to be gained at the Kop end but because of the low rake of the kop, it would likely be extensions of main and new SKD rather than the Kop - again a bit like Dortmund or the Millennium Stadium, which have 'wings' higher than the end stand (and George Sephton's commentary box would have to go).

At the end of the day, the basic geometry is the pitch (and the 'rules' on distance and sightlines) which within limits is common to all grounds. Most anything is possible. It depends on how much you have to pay for what you get.

But a Kop like the Yellow Wall at Dortmund might get 70,000 without a new SKD.

[PeterTheRed ...]

The corners can be filled in (and it would look more like Dortmund than Old Trafford) - and it would be done the same way that is was done in Dortmund (by holding the ends of each roof up with 'tension masts' rather than columns down to the ground that block views).

But most of the corners at the ARE are already filled in (at the lower levels), so there's relatively little to be gained. There are quite a lot of seats that don't look 90 deg to the pitch as a result and the geometry of a new SKD would probably be similar to the main stand.

There's a little more to be gained at the Kop end but because of the low rake of the kop, it would likely be extensions of main and new SKD rather than the Kop - again a bit like Dortmund or the Millennium Stadium, which have 'wings' higher than the end stand (and George Sephton's commentary box would have to go).

At the end of the day, the basic geometry is the pitch (and the 'rules' on distance and sightlines) which within limits is common to all grounds. Most anything is possible. It depends on how much you have to pay for what you get.

But a Kop like the Yellow Wall at Dortmund might get 70,000 without a new SKD.

I understand that it is theoretically possible to fill in the corners, but as you say, it will probably cost too much, and we will only get low quality seats. I still think that a new tier on the SKD stand would be the next logical step, but I don't have the idea what the cost/benefit ratio would be for such an investment at the moment ...

[Peter McGurk]

I understand that it is theoretically possible to fill in the corners, but as you say, it will probably cost too much, and we will only get low quality seats. I still think that a new tier on the SKD stand would be the next logical step, but I don't have the idea what the cost/benefit ratio would be for such an investment at the moment ...

Unfortunately, a third tier would be too steep for the regulations (the existing upper is already at the max). So to get the right 'sightlines' it's either a total re-build, a re-build from the lower upwards (maybe) or funnily enough, raising the pitch (maybe)

[Redric1970]

Unfortunately, a third tier would be too steep for the regulations (the existing upper is already at the max). So to get the right 'sightlines' it's either a total re-build, a re-build from the lower upwards (maybe) or funnily enough, raising the pitch (maybe)

For me I would love to see the kop made bigger, I have had a season ticket in it since it was a terrace and would love to see it made bigger and more intimidating, what do you think is possible with regard the kop being extended Peter.

[Peter McGurk]

For me I would love to see the kop made bigger, I have had a season ticket in it since it was a terrace and would love to see it made bigger and more intimidating, what do you think is possible with regard the kop being extended Peter.

Back in the day, the Kop was always wider with its wings, so it can go a little wider by filling in the corners but because of its low rake, the wings would be too low to see the pitch and so would need to be on the Main and SKD. It can go a little further back within guideline viewing distances. In theory, you could replicate the ARE (16,000 (?) or an extra 4,000 seats at most??) but that would put you most of the way over Walton Breck Road and new roof, structural gymnastics/ cantilever over the road/ divert the road...

I'd love to see it too but the cost doesn't make a lot of sense for a few thousand extra seats (but this is football, where extra noughts can sometimes be justified in lots of different ways). Standing that's safe (rather than safe standing). Total re-build maybe (the low rake is ok for standing but not designed for the extra weight or the number of escapes that might be needed) but now you're talking. Dortmund's Sudtribune has about 25,000 in it for non-European games.

The existing seating density is about 0.4sqm per person and as far as I know, the current standing regs in the UK has a maximum of 47 spectators per 10sqm or roughly 0.2sqm per person. The existing seating capacity is about 12,400, which would be kind of 24,800 standing (ignoring stuff like weight and escapes - but it is easier/ quicker to escape from a standing area - subject to the capacity of the stairs). The steps on the Kop could be the right size too if each step of 560mm-ish is taken as two.

Not straightforward and you can see why people want good money to sort this sort of thing out.

[afc tukrish]

Back in the day, the Kop was always wider with its wings, so it can go a little wider by filling in the corners but because of its low rake, the wings would be too low to see the pitch and so would need to be on the Main and SKD. It can go a little further back within guideline viewing distances. In theory, you could replicate the ARE (16,000 (?) or an extra 4,000 seats at most??) but that would put you most of the way over Walton Breck Road and new roof, structural gymnastics/ cantilever over the road/ divert the road...

I'd love to see it too but the cost doesn't make a lot of sense for a few thousand extra seats (but this is football, where extra noughts can sometimes be justified in lots of different ways). Standing that's safe (rather than safe standing). Total re-build maybe (the low rake is ok for standing but not designed for the extra weight or the number of escapes that might be needed) but now you're talking. Dortmund's Sudtribune has about 25,000 in it for non-European games.

The existing seating density is about 0.4sqm per person and as far as I know, the current standing regs in the UK has a maximum of 47 spectators per 10sqm or roughly 0.2sqm per person. The existing seating capacity is about 12,400, which would be kind of 24,800 standing (ignoring stuff like weight and escapes - but it is easier/ quicker to escape from a standing area - subject to the capacity of the stairs). The steps on the Kop could be the right size too if each step of 560mm-ish is taken as two.

Not straightforward and you can see why people get paid good money to sort this sort of thing out.

Do they have to tolerate Al as well?

[Peter McGurk]

Do they have to tolerate Al as well?

Hardly ever.

[afc tukrish]

Hardly ever.

 

[Ray K]

I had a dream last night that myself and my cousin went and visited the ground after the ARE work was completed, but he wasn't impressed as he said that they should have added Greek style columns to the front like in Soldier Field, Chicago, and we got into a big argument about it.



Honestly, I think Sigmund Freud would have given up dream analysis if he ever encountered me.

[redgriffin73]

I like the gold but I'm not sure it's big enough to be honest.

I like the fact he's looking over at Goodison with a little smirk on his face though, nice touch.

[Redric1970]

Back in the day, the Kop was always wider with its wings, so it can go a little wider by filling in the corners but because of its low rake, the wings would be too low to see the pitch and so would need to be on the Main and SKD. It can go a little further back within guideline viewing distances. In theory, you could replicate the ARE (16,000 (?) or an extra 4,000 seats at most??) but that would put you most of the way over Walton Breck Road and new roof, structural gymnastics/ cantilever over the road/ divert the road...

I'd love to see it too but the cost doesn't make a lot of sense for a few thousand extra seats (but this is football, where extra noughts can sometimes be justified in lots of different ways). Standing that's safe (rather than safe standing). Total re-build maybe (the low rake is ok for standing but not designed for the extra weight or the number of escapes that might be needed) but now you're talking. Dortmund's Sudtribune has about 25,000 in it for non-European games.

The existing seating density is about 0.4sqm per person and as far as I know, the current standing regs in the UK has a maximum of 47 spectators per 10sqm or roughly 0.2sqm per person. The existing seating capacity is about 12,400, which would be kind of 24,800 standing (ignoring stuff like weight and escapes - but it is easier/ quicker to escape from a standing area - subject to the capacity of the stairs). The steps on the Kop could be the right size too if each step of 560mm-ish is taken as two.

Not straightforward and you can see why people want good money to sort this sort of thing out.

Thanks Peter, I hope they can do something as the kop is the most famous stand in the world, so seeing it dwarfed by the other stands isn’t ideal, so never say never hopefully.