Topic: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance

[Barneylfc∗]

I just don't see how City can drop points in the run-in with no further distractions, I really don't. And if it is going to happen it has to be this week.

Arsenal on the other hand I really can't see getting maximum points and in fact I can see them dropping points both tonight and on Sunday.

They've 4 away games left. In the first 15 aways, they've dropped points in 5 games. An average of every 3rd game.

Since they lost at Villa in December they've mainly been playing shite away from home. Luton, Everton, Saudi (5 losses in their last 6 prior to the game), Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace with the only decent side being us which they should've lost.

Hopefully Brighton, Fulham and Spurs are arsed about their games.

[Crosby Nick]

Yeah, saw that Barney. 4 out if 6 away from home. All have the potential to be tricky if they don’t start well. Obviously they could win all 4 easily too but there is a hole they could drop points somewhere.

[Garlicbread]

Spurs away is their game in hand which is their penultimate game. So if we do our job and win our games they won't surpass us until then which could be interesting.

[UntouchableLuis]

I had faith in Fulham until we played them to be honest. Easy win for City.

It's Spurs or bust for me but even then we need a win for Spurs, not a draw.

Never know but seems unlikely.

[lionel_messias]

I had faith in Fulham until we played them to be honest. Easy win for City.

It's Spurs or bust for me but even then we need a win for Spurs, not a draw.

Never know but seems unlikely.

Best not to predict anything at all at this stage, unless it is all wins for Man City, then you will at least sleep better and not kick things whenever they play.

[Buster Gonad]

No Foden, Haaland or Alvarez in training apparently. We'll see.

Testers must be dropping in

[Knight]

I just don't see how City can drop points in the run-in with no further distractions, I really don't. And if it is going to happen it has to be this week.

Arsenal on the other hand I really can't see getting maximum points and in fact I can see them dropping points both tonight and on Sunday.

They never drop points post CL games so I don’t think the ‘CL will distract them’ thing really holds up.

[TheFinalBoss]

Absolutely crazy if Klopp only walks away with 1 league title his record is insane in the league regarding consistency but up against some oil cheating state robbing him of titles bloody sucks.

[Haggis36]

Well we'll certainly not be winning anything on goal difference... So much for Chelsea giving Arsenal a tough game. If they get through Spurs at the weekend I don't think they'll drop any more points.

Ugh it's painful enough sitting around waiting for one team to drop points, never mind two.

[Crosby Nick]

Well we'll certainly not be winning anything on goal difference... So much for Chelsea giving Arsenal a tough game. If they get through Spurs at the weekend I don't think they'll drop any more points.

Ugh it's painful enough sitting around waiting for one team to drop points, never mind two.

Can’t dwell on it. Forget about it and move on. Getting wound up by it won’t do us any good.

[Caps4444]

Arsenal are fast starters. Spurs haven’t played in 2 weeks.

If Arsenal beat Spurs, then Spurs are out of the top 4 race and probably let City win in a couple of weeks.

Someone needs to score first against them, they have won once like that all season.

[jillcwhomever]

Arsenal's hardest challenge will be getting over the line. We know ourselves it's never easy until you've done it that first time. But I agree it would be good to see Spurs score the opening goal.

[Caps4444]

Arsenal's hardest challenge will be getting over the line. We know ourselves it's never easy until you've done it that first time. But I agree it would be good to see Spurs score the opening goal.

Then Arsenal likely don’t win, if they concede first.

My concern is Spurs will be fresh, but rusty while Arsenal are now a well oiled machine.
I would not be surprised if Arsenal blow Spurs away, especially with the high line.

[jillcwhomever]

Then Arsenal likely don’t win, if they concede first.

My concern is Spurs will be fresh, but rusty while Arsenal are now a well oiled machine.
I would not be surprised if Arsenal blow Spurs away, especially with the high line.

Thing is if we manage to win the next two games we will be above them, and it means the pressure is on them straight away. They lost when no one expected them to at Villa, the nearer the end of the season gets, the more that could happen again.

[MonsLibpool]

It's not in our hands and we're relying on not one but two teams to slip up.

We can only take it game by game and I'd be happy if we're in a decent position on the final day.

[killer-heels]

We cant look past Wednesday right now.

[killer-heels]

It's not in our hands and we're relying on not one but two teams to slip up.

We can only take it game by game and I'd be happy if we're in a decent position on the final day.

If we are not top on the final day, then we wont be winning the league.

[exiledintheUSA]

Just do our job tomorrow.

[Caps4444]

Thing is if we manage to win the next two games we will be above them, and it means the pressure is on them straight away. They lost when no one expected them to at Villa, the nearer the end of the season gets, the more that could happen again.

If somehow someone can score first against them…..they are very strong in the first half of games. They probably should have scored a couple v Villa in the first half. 

I wonder if they had their blip, which was Villa and Bayern

[MonsLibpool]

If we are not top on the final day, then we wont be winning the league.

Nope. Anything can happen with that pressure.

City almost bottled it against Villa.

[BobPaisley3]

Nope. Anything can happen with that pressure.

City almost bottled it against Villa.

Admire your optimism but Arsenal have the shite.

[exiledintheUSA]

Nope. Anything can happen with that pressure.

City almost bottled it against Villa.

Arsenal V Everton 

[killer-heels]

Nope. Anything can happen with that pressure.

City almost bottled it against Villa.

City play West Ham. They will thrash them but ok maybe at least West Ham carry a threat. But if Arsenal are top, Everton will let the ball in if they have to.

[MonsLibpool]

Admire your optimism but Arsenal have the shite.

It's not in Arsenal's hands as it stands.

Pressure does funny things to teams. Man city were a penalty away from sealing it in the penultimate game but then they were 2-0 down in a must win against Villa with 15 minutes to go.

The pressure of the final day is something else especially when the scores are not favourable.

[Caps4444]

If Spurs want 4th place then they most likely will need to win on Sunday, as Villa will likely be 9 ahead, or be it 3 games played more.

[Number 7]

All is irrelevant if we can't beat Everton.

Just win that and go into the weekend and see where we are at. We can't control anything else but ourselves.

[BobPaisley3]

It's not in Arsenal's hands as it stands.

Pressure does funny things to teams. Man city were a penalty away from sealing it in the penultimate game but then they were 2-0 down in a must win against Villa with 15 minutes to go.

The pressure of the final day is something else especially when the scores are not favourable.

No but they’ll likely be ahead of us if they beat Spurs on Sunday. So we’re either waiting for one collapse or two.

[keano7]

If somehow someone can score first against them…..they are very strong in the first half of games. They probably should have scored a couple v Villa in the first half. 

I wonder if they had their blip, which was Villa and Bayern

The majority of their games play out the same way. They either score very early and then add another before the break or score early and then get another quickly after half time. If the opposition score first against them or get to half time 0-0 then it’s rare to see Arsenal really grind out a result when the pressure is really on.

Spurs has all the ingredients for a banana skin and if they do get the first goal then it’ll be fascinating to see how Arsenal respond in that cauldron, especially if we’ve picked up 6/6 from Everton and West Ham.

If they do win all their remaining their games then you’ve got to hold your hands up and say fair play, as much as I despise Arteta.

[B0151?]

I would definitely concur we are probably the most incomplete team - but we knew that from the start, no one really expected us in this position. If we do manage to win it, we've absolutely fought and scrapped for it. But we will have deserved it just as much as if City or Arsenal get over the line. People can say Arsenal are the best team but only first position after game 38 will decide that.

BTW I know you can't just add points on, really you can't even assume the win like we have been. But to be honest that robbery against Spurs still stings. No disagreeable ref decision compares, we literally had a legit goal chalked off purely by a communication mistake.

We should appreciate how well we've done this season whether 1st or 3rd at end of it. Been big success and decent chance it can still end in glory. Come on fellas. Still think there's dropped points in City and Arsenal

[Caps4444]

Anyway Everton will need something on the last day?

[MonsLibpool]

No but they’ll likely be ahead of us if they beat Spurs on Sunday. So we’re either waiting for one collapse or two.

I'm not looking beyond our next game. When we play Everton then we can look at the weekend fixtures.

There's no point predicting because some of the dropped points were big surprises. For example, nobody expected Chelsea to draw at the Etihad or Arsenal to lose at home against Villa.

Honestly,  who expected those results?

For us, the pressure is off and we have nothing to lose.

[Caps4444]

Just hope Spurs players are properly up for it and are fully on it from the start, can’t have Arsenal scoring in the first 5 mins

[BobPaisley3]

I'm not looking beyond our next game. When we play Everton then we can look at the weekend fixtures.

There's no point predicting because some of the dropped points were big surprises. For example, nobody expected Chelsea to draw at the Etihad or Arsenal to lose at home against Villa.

Honestly,  who expected those results?

For us, the pressure is off and we have nothing to lose.

Ordinarily I’d agree but it’s the shite away to Arsenal with the opportunity to do us a favour, it will not happen. We need to be ahead of them going into the final day.

[BobPaisley3]

Just hope Spurs players are properly up for it and are fully on it from the start, can’t have Arsenal scoring in the first 5 mins

Hopefully the two weeks off is a positive.

[Garlicbread]

Just hope Spurs players are properly up for it and are fully on it from the start, can’t have Arsenal scoring in the first 5 mins

You'd hope so considering it's one of Tottenham's biggest fixtures of the season and they need to win to have any chances of getting top 4.

[Barneylfc∗]

Anyway Everton will need something on the last day?

They could lose every game and they'll still stay up. Luton and Forest won't catch them.

[MonsLibpool]

Ordinarily I’d agree but it’s the shite away to Arsenal with the opportunity to do us a favour, it will not happen. We need to be ahead of them going into the final day.

Fairs.

These are my probabilities as things stand:
City 55%
Arsenal 35%
Us 5%

It's in Man City's hands and I don't see us matching their GD so we need them to lose one or draw two and we also need Arsenal to draw at least one whilst winning every game ourselves.

This is as it stands and not a prediction of future results. That's why I'd be pleased if we find ourselves in a decent position on the final day.

[BobPaisley3]

Fairs.

These are my probabilities as things stand:
City 55%
Arsenal 35%
Us 5%

It's in Man City's hands and I don't see us matching their GD so we need them to lose one or draw two and we also need Arsenal to draw at least one whilst winning every game ourselves.

This is as it stands and not a prediction of future results. That's why I'd be pleased if we find ourselves in a decent position on the final day.

As you say, you can’t predict anything at this stage of the season but outside of our own games, the only two I’ll pay any attention to are Spurs v Arsenal and Spurs v Man City.

[jckliew]

Fairs.

These are my probabilities as things stand:
City 55%
Arsenal 35%
Us 5%

It's in Man City's hands and I don't see us matching their GD so we need them to lose one or draw two and we also need Arsenal to draw at least one whilst winning every game ourselves.

This is as it stands and not a prediction of future results. That's why I'd be pleased if we find ourselves in a decent position on the final day.

Where is the rest of the 5%?  The rest of the teams? 
i put us at 1% chance now 

[rossipersempre]

Fairs.

These are my probabilities as things stand:
City 55%
Arsenal 35%
Us 5%

It's in Man City's hands and I don't see us matching their GD so we need them to lose one or draw two and we also need Arsenal to draw at least one whilst winning every game ourselves.

This is as it stands and not a prediction of future results. That's why I'd be pleased if we find ourselves in a decent position on the final day.

I'd say its 50/40/10 at this point, all things considered. Beat Everton tomorrow night and I'd up it a little to 40/40/20. Only takes one bad result for every team.

The planets would need to align, but I'd accept a solar eclipse.