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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #800 on: December 5, 2020, 12:10:06 pm »
Forget about the other teams, they are only near us because of a stupid defeat at Villa and two robberies.

Keep it simple and look at ourselves. We start winning and nobody can live with us (inc City). If the injuries don't clear up and we keep dropping points, Chelsea, Spurs and others are well capable of staying in touch or going past us.

One game at a time, need that mindset back again. Hendo is massive in this regard.

I agree that the mindset stems from Hendo on the pitch. Would also add Trent, Robbo and Virgil. I think those 4 have that relentless never give up attitude in particular. Will be great having 3 of that 4 back soon.
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« Reply #801 on: December 5, 2020, 12:16:01 pm »
I expect mid eighties will win the title this year.  Nobody will be getting 90 points.

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #802 on: December 5, 2020, 12:51:20 pm »
I expect mid eighties will win the title this year.  Nobody will be getting 90 points.
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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #803 on: December 5, 2020, 01:30:38 pm »
I agree that the mindset stems from Hendo on the pitch. Would also add Trent, Robbo and Virgil. I think those 4 have that relentless never give up attitude in particular. Will be great having 3 of that 4 back soon.

Henderson the most important. We don't lose 7 at Villa with him on the pitch. Same with the Watford massacre last season.
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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #804 on: December 5, 2020, 01:57:02 pm »
I'm sure Henderson stops 4 deflections from going in.

Villa had going everything their way on the day. It wasn't just us performing badly

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #805 on: December 5, 2020, 02:29:19 pm »
I'm sure Henderson stops 4 deflections from going in.

Villa had going everything their way on the day. It wasn't just us performing badly

They did. But there was also an element of capitulation that you just couldn't envisage with Hendo on the pitch.
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« Reply #806 on: December 5, 2020, 11:40:59 pm »
League starting to take a more familiar look. Arsenal aside, rest of the big six have been more consistent recently. The madness of the early weeks seems to have settled down a lot. PL games every 3/4 days for December might shake it up again, or the squads of the bigger sides might prevail.

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #807 on: December 6, 2020, 12:47:58 am »
They did. But there was also an element of capitulation that you just couldn't envisage with Hendo on the pitch.

We’ve had plenty of bad losses with Henderson on the pitch - we’ve also had really bad teams (by our standards) with him as a regular member ..... he’s become a key player for us but reducing a team game to an individuals character has always been bobbins

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #808 on: December 6, 2020, 07:14:35 am »
Feel City, United & Chelsea will go on a good run now that the initial fitness issues have subsided.

We need to make sure we reach back to how we can play, offensively we have been poor in the last few games.

I think this year 3-4 teams will be within 7-10 points of each other come the end of the season

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« Reply #809 on: December 6, 2020, 10:36:53 am »
It wasn't so long ago that united looked destined for a relegation battle, as we've seen already this season with everton any team is capable of stringing 4-5 results together and even looking good at times, but sooner or later they revert to the norm.

Chelsea maybe look capable of challenging, if only because they've thrown money at the squad and we look like we'll be battling fitness issues for the foreseeable.

If we can get 4-5 players back over the course of December and have some chance to rotate as a result I think we can put ourselves in a really good position for the run in; unfortunately as we've seen before, once you have a bunch of injuries piled up you get more players dropping every week as they try to plug the gaps.

I think the season is going to come down to whether we can keep Matip and Fabinho fit in the short term, and whether we bolster the defence in January.

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« Reply #810 on: December 6, 2020, 05:22:02 pm »
To be honest, I've stopped thinking about numbers 20, not because I dont think we can do it, but with a lot of people, and I sometimes fall into this mindset too, the fear of not winning number 20 is greater than the joy of watching us play.

So instead of focusing on how good Liverpool are, many are getting worried and anxious about Spurs, Chelsea, City, and Man Utd even. Every game is important, any points dropped is a major problem, any win is just keeping us on a precarious track. Never comfortable, never really that happy, just about clinging on in a desperate struggle.

To be quite frank, it's not enjoyable. So at this point now I just want to enjoy what is the best team I have ever seen play in the red shirt, take it game by game, and see what happens.

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« Reply #811 on: December 6, 2020, 05:23:41 pm »
To be honest, I've stopped thinking about numbers 20, not because I dont think we can do it, but with a lot of people, and I sometimes fall into this mindset too, the fear of not winning number 20 is greater than the joy of watching us play.

So instead of focusing on how good Liverpool are, many are getting worried and anxious about Spurs, Chelsea, City, and Man Utd even. Every game is important, any points dropped is a major problem, any win is just keeping us on a precarious track.

To be quite frank, it's not enjoyable. So at this point now I just want to enjoy what is the best team I have ever seen play in the red shirt, take it game by game, and see what happens.

Why isn’t it enjoyable? Because you cannot handle teams being close?

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #812 on: December 6, 2020, 05:25:09 pm »
Why isn’t it enjoyable? Because you cannot handle teams being close?

The VAR calls.
And 2 of our best players out for months with knee injuries by disgraceful tackles.

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« Reply #813 on: December 6, 2020, 05:30:08 pm »
Why isn’t it enjoyable? Because you cannot handle teams being close?

Not necessarily that, but more the negative feedback loop. Spurs win against Arsenal, or Chelsea beat Leeds, or even United beat fucking West Ham, and suddenly the message from many on here is "They're going to be a problem." "We have to win" "Injuries are going to hurt us." Etc, etc, etc.

And suddenly what wasn't a big deal, because of the amount of worry being displayed by a lot of our own fans, starts to make me anxious, because there is hardly a good thing to see said.

So ai just want to detach myself now and just focus on this Liverpool team. I have faith that it's good enough to beat anyone and win the league by a fair margin, and I'd rather focus on that, and be happy about how good we are, than the worry about everyone else.
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« Reply #814 on: December 6, 2020, 05:44:01 pm »
Not necessarily that, but more the negative feedback loop. Spurs win against Arsenal, or Chelsea beat Leeds, or even United beat fucking West Ham, and suddenly the message from many on here is "They're going to be a problem." "We have to win" "Injuries are going to hurt us." Etc, etc, etc.

And suddenly what wasn't a big deal, because of the amount of worry being displayed by a lot of our own fans, starts to make me anxious, because there is hardly a good thing to see said.

So ai just want to detach myself now and just focus on this Liverpool team. I have faith that it's good enough to beat anyone and win the league by a fair margin, and I'd rather focus on that, and be happy about how good we are, than the worry about everyone else.

You must be looking at the wrong things. The vast majority know what an amazing team we have.

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #815 on: December 6, 2020, 05:50:59 pm »
You must be looking at the wrong things. The vast majority know what an amazing team we have.

Well I guess I shouldn't give any mind to those may not necessarily not know how good we are, but are concerned that those around us are just as good.

Because I know how good we are and frankly I have enough to worry about that to worry about fucking Spurs.

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« Reply #816 on: December 6, 2020, 06:03:27 pm »
Well I guess I shouldn't give any mind to those may not necessarily not know how good we are, but are concerned that those around us are just as good.

Because I know how good we are and frankly I have enough to worry about that to worry about fucking Spurs.
Well, City were good and still are, but we are better. Chelsea have improved enormously by buying excellent players, but they are yet unproven. Spurs have changed their mentality, which to me was the biggest change, but they are a Kane/Son injury away from being disaster in a season plagued by injuries. United are just United. I think all of these are in the same lot. We had lost VVD & Gomez for the season, Thiago for months, many others for a long period of time and that puts us closer to that lot. But have 1-2 players return and we will swim above them again.

Another way to put it, we are on the down and they are on the up, and yet, we are up there at the top of the table. Imagine the second half of the season...
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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #817 on: December 6, 2020, 06:03:47 pm »
That Everton game really fucked us over. Complete injustice on so many levels and ruined our season. We do need to buy a centre back to challenge I feel. It will allow Fab to play CM again too to bolster our MF options
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« Reply #818 on: December 6, 2020, 06:08:39 pm »
That Everton game really fucked us over. Complete injustice on so many levels and ruined our season. We do need to buy a centre back to challenge I feel. It will allow Fab to play CM again too to bolster our MF options

How has it ruined our season? Before this round of games we were joint top and top of our CL group.

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« Reply #819 on: December 6, 2020, 10:46:56 pm »
That Everton game really fucked us over. Complete injustice on so many levels and ruined our season.
The results since then say different.

5 wins and 2 draws since losing the best defender in the world, and we have Trent and Keita back, Milner, Thiago and Ox not far off, plus the January transfer window in a few weeks. Fabinho and Matip have also been immense.

This season is far from ruined.
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« Reply #820 on: December 6, 2020, 10:53:29 pm »
How has it ruined our season? Before this round of games we were joint top and top of our CL group.
He probably means that we would have ran away at the top with VVD in the team. Didn't lose a point while he was playing, then the Villa trashing came a game after Ev. We'd almost certainly would have had more points at this stage had he been available. I'd go along with that.
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« Reply #821 on: December 6, 2020, 10:54:37 pm »
The results since then say different.

5 wins and 2 draws since losing the best defender in the world, and we have Trent and Keita back, Milner, Thiago and Ox not far off, plus the January transfer window in a few weeks. Fabinho and Matip have also been immense.

This season is far from ruined.
In the five games Van Dijk played, including Arse home and Chelsea away, we didn't drop a point.
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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #822 on: December 6, 2020, 10:58:33 pm »
VVD played at Villa.

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« Reply #823 on: December 6, 2020, 10:59:14 pm »
In the five games Van Dijk played, including Arse home and Chelsea away, we didn't drop a point.
Villa game was before Everton and VVD played?

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« Reply #824 on: December 6, 2020, 11:01:28 pm »
In the five games Van Dijk played, including Arse home and Chelsea away, we didn't drop a point.
Apart from the 3 points and 7 goals we shipped against Villa.
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« Reply #825 on: December 6, 2020, 11:04:53 pm »
My bad, I forgot that VVD played against Villa (thought it was the game right after Everton).
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« Reply #826 on: December 6, 2020, 11:06:13 pm »
When we turn for home in the new year and we hit our straps, who’s going to fancy trying to keep pace with us? We’ve got the experience of a brutally tight run in where we kept churning out the wins, and last season’s procession in the memory banks. Things are going well for Spurs and Chelsea now but not sure either can compete with us if it turns into a head to head battle. Their best hopes are if it somehow stays a many horse race as late as possible.

City could still do something but I think that’s just their very recent easy run talking.

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #827 on: December 6, 2020, 11:18:44 pm »
One game at a time, as always.

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #828 on: December 7, 2020, 01:02:20 am »
Just imagine being a Spurs/Chelsea/City fan watching tonight. Reinforcement of what they’re up against.

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« Reply #829 on: December 7, 2020, 01:13:45 am »
That Everton game really fucked us over. Complete injustice on so many levels and ruined our season. We do need to buy a centre back to challenge I feel. It will allow Fab to play CM again too to bolster our MF options

to challenge what? 99 points again?

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« Reply #830 on: December 7, 2020, 01:29:52 am »
If we beat City on Feb 7 and are anywhere near the top I think we'll win it again.

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Re: Attacking #20
« Reply #831 on: December 7, 2020, 01:58:53 am »
That Everton game really fucked us over. Complete injustice on so many levels and ruined our season. We do need to buy a centre back to challenge I feel. It will allow Fab to play CM again too to bolster our MF options
I don't really buy that. Yes, it was a terrible injustice on so many levels, but if that game screwed anyone's season, it was Everton's rather than ours. We have the mentality and the positivity needed to bounce back and deal with the situation. Everton do not, and it's their season which has fallen off a cliff since.

Liverpool have shown character and adaptability, whereas Everton have collapsed in the spineless, spectacular fashion only they can.

We probably will buy a new CB in January and, despite everything, we are joint top in early December. We are also still the best side in the league and coached by the best manager currently in world football.

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« Reply #832 on: December 7, 2020, 03:10:31 am »
I'm loving the Spurs wankfest in the media.

It's highly disrespectful to us, like. We've dominated domestic and European football for 3 years on and off and still we don;t get the respect we deserve as an all-conquering unit.

BUt let them fap themselves off over Spurs, while we quietly go about our business.

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« Reply #833 on: December 7, 2020, 03:28:16 am »
It’s remarkable that we’re joint top given all that has happened to us, both injury wise and of course the decisions at Goodison that turned three points into one. This is a Liverpool squad in a state of near turmoil and yet they’re still leading the way. That alone is telling of our strength.

Spurs should be taken seriously though. Mourinho’s shtick didn’t work at Old Trafford, where the players like to be the biggest names and the fans expect a certain brand of football. Now he’s found the perfect club. Players that will fight for him and a fanbase so desperate for a trophy they’ll sit through anything. Whenever he’s had those two ingredients in the past he’s been incredibly successful. If they lose Kane and Son they’ll struggle, but they have tailored their style so the former in particular has a much more reduced workload. They also have less fixtures, Mourinho won’t bother with the Europa.

Chelsea are strange. Unlike Spurs if they mount a challenge I think it’ll almost be in spite of their manager. Not ruling them out for definite as this will be a strange season, but I think they’ll struggle too much against the other top sides to compete.

City are City. They’re not the 2017-2019 vintage anymore but I still think they’re capable of playing themselves into flawless form.

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« Reply #834 on: December 7, 2020, 03:31:05 am »
I'm loving the Spurs wankfest in the media.
Kane is England’s captain. He can do no wrong.

Mourinho, whenever he’s winning, has had the media fawning over him since he arrived here in 2004.

No mystery to why they’re being talked up.

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« Reply #835 on: December 7, 2020, 06:39:19 am »
We've got a 100% home record, miles better than anybody else in the league. Could really do with improving our away form, and with 4 of the next 6 matches being away, this would be the perfect moment for that.

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« Reply #836 on: December 7, 2020, 06:59:36 am »
City are our main rivals and the only team that will challange us. Finish above them and we win the league, it's that simple. Mentions of Spurs and Chelsea are just embarrassing and as for United  :lmao :lmao

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« Reply #837 on: December 7, 2020, 07:38:42 am »
more importantly i like the way we are addressing the so called challengers ( creation of the media). it was Leicester 10days back, loads of people had a bet of wolves breaking our Anfield run.  be prepared for the wank fest in another week's time when Spurs come to Anfield. i really really want them trashed. was watching the Arsenal vs spurs, if was nothing but stupidity that caused Arsenal the pts. two counters and two goals. at one of pt of time, Spurs where having possession of 7% and 10 men behind the ball. dont really know why Arsenal went for someone like Artreta when somebody like Rafa was available.

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« Reply #838 on: December 7, 2020, 09:14:06 am »
Said for a while now as long as we are in the running come January we are favourites. Thiago to come back in and i expect a new CB. Chelsea obviously have a great squad but they still haven't proven it against a top side. Spurs style will be found out soon enough, i can see them drawing a lot of games if the other team parks up as well and is happy for a point plus they are yet to have their annual Harry Kane injury.



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« Reply #839 on: December 7, 2020, 09:16:02 am »
I'm loving the Spurs wankfest in the media.

It's highly disrespectful to us, like. We've dominated domestic and European football for 3 years on and off and still we don;t get the respect we deserve as an all-conquering unit.

BUt let them fap themselves off over Spurs, while we quietly go about our business.

Number 20 wil be ours by May.

Sky are trying to make a competition out of it i don't blame them, it will put more pressure on Spurs