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[thaddeus]

103k off with confirmed or suspected infection, 16k off due to close contact isolation and 2k off due to outbreak containment restrictions.

Highlights the likely problem - the gap between 103k and 18k is probably too large.

That 103k infection number is higher than July when we had over a million out of of school in a week, but then it was 82k off with confirmed infection and 930k off due isolation of close contacts - clearly unsustainable back then so something had to change, but we’ve changed from an 11:1 ratio of isolation:infections in July to a 1:5 ratio now which seems too far a change in direction.

When you put it like that it's really stark.

Could it be that the 103k is higher because close contacts are being identified and told to get tested and more of those are coming back positive?  With those close contacts coming back positive it's similarly reducing the numbers in the 'just isolating' category.

Previously when a whole bubble was told to isolate because of a positive test I expect many of the close contacts wouldn't have gone for a test unless they showed some symptoms.

[djahern]

When you put it like that it's really stark.

Could it be that the 103k is higher because close contacts are being identified and told to get tested and more of those are coming back positive?  With those close contacts coming back positive it's similarly reducing the numbers in the 'just isolating' category.

Previously when a whole bubble was told to isolate because of a positive test I expect many of the close contacts wouldn't have gone for a test unless they showed some symptoms.

There isn't really a just isolating category though. Kids under 18 still attend school even if they are a close contact, they only isolate if specifically asked to by NHS test and trace. They continue to attend even then until the result of the PCR.

There are two particular parts of the school guidance that lead to the changes between July and now:
"NHS Test and Trace will work with the positive case and/or their parent to identify close contacts. Contacts from a school setting will only be traced by NHS Test and Trace where the positive case and/or their parent specifically identifies the individual as being a close contact. This is likely to be a small number of individuals..."

"Individuals are not required to self-isolate if they live in the same household as someone with COVID-19, or are a close contact of someone with COVID-19, and they are below the age of 18 years and 6 months"

These are big changes, imagine two scenarios: First that my son tests positive - I have absolutely no idea who he interacts with on a daily basis in school but I'm supposed to identify the close contacts? Second, that my wife tests positive - my work have requested that I stay at home regardless of the government guidelines, but my son is supposed to continue going to school. The only thing that changes that is when (if?) test and trace contact my wife to identify close contacts and if they then decide my son was one.

In scenario 2, I'd be keeping my son at home, but technically I can be fined for doing so if I gave that as the reason, he's supposed to go to school.

I would imagine from the numbers above, that the 16k are actually school kids that have been identified by NHS test and trace due to a parent testing positive, not from a classmate testing positive.

[rob1966]

My lad keeps insisting that kids in his class, who he has been sitting/standing next to have gone off with Covid, but we are not hearing a thing from Test and Trace, so I have no idea if its the system failing or he's lying.

[No666]

Been offered a booster jab already because I was jabbed well ahead of my age group in the trial. J&J sent an email saying there's no safety data. The cynic in me says they would emphasise this as I'll be less use in the trial if I have an mRNA third shot. Any useful info? Filo - are you in the same boat?

[UntouchableLuis]

It’s a bit bonkers that schools are no longer involved in tracing close contacts in schools….

Great not to have the workload, but it seems much less efficient

Let's be honest here - there is no test and trace in schools any more. Only someone who has symptoms and tests positive now stays off.

Schools have 0 mitigation any more - there's no enforced mask wearing, no bubbles etc.

Loads of kids at our school have been off with a bad cold but had masks been in place I reckon loads wouldn't have caught even that.

[djahern]

Been offered a booster jab already because I was jabbed well ahead of my age group in the trial. J&J sent an email saying there's no safety data. The cynic in me says they would emphasise this as I'll be less use in the trial if I have an mRNA third shot. Any useful info? Filo - are you in the same boat?

J&J announced some results from their ENSEMBLE 2 trial yesterday, including some info on a booster dose at 2 months and 6 months.

For me, it points toward J&J being a two dose vaccine.

https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-announces-real-world-evidence-and-phase-3-data-confirming-strong-and-long-lasting-protection-of-single-shot-covid-19-vaccine-in-the-u-s

[No666]

Thanks, dj. Yeah - it does point to it being a two-dose just like the AZ. Which makes me think that if they're offering boosters after six months to AZ recipients, the same logic should apply to the J&J.
I'm due to go to South Africa in November (and I'm hearing they're coming off the red list) to do with some conservation interests of mine (pangolin protection - kind of moot given the stories about Covid), which is why I'm leaning towards a booster. I'm hoping I'll tolerate the mRNA better than I did the J&J.

[filopastry]

Been offered a booster jab already because I was jabbed well ahead of my age group in the trial. J&J sent an email saying there's no safety data. The cynic in me says they would emphasise this as I'll be less use in the trial if I have an mRNA third shot. Any useful info? Filo - are you in the same boat?

Personally if I was able to get a booster I would take one without a second thought, unfortunately I miss out by a year so I will have to depend on my aging J&J jabs for protection!

I know a few people through a vaccine trialist group, who subsequently had an mRNA booster after 2 J&J doses in Ensemble 2, and they had no ill effects and very strong antibody levels  after the booster.

[No666]

Personally if I was able to get a booster I would take one without a second thought, unfortunately I miss out by a year so I will have to depend on my aging J&J jabs for protection!

I know a few people through a vaccine trialist group, who subsequently had an mRNA booster after 2 J&J doses in Ensemble 2, and they had no ill effects and very strong antibody levels  after the booster.

Thanks, mate. Think I'll take my creaking bones to the jab centre on Saturday then.

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34460 new cases and 166 deaths reported today.

[thaddeus]

Two children in my 5-year old's class had positive tests yesterday.  This came off the back of one positive test the previous day and his mum letting other parents know via a WhatsApp group.

The school have belatedly put up a message to say they're working to identify close contacts but that they won't need to isolate anyway (which is government guidance).  I can probably help them with the close contacts... the other 27 children in the class 

My wife does a test before work every day as she works with clinically vulnerable people so we used some of those tests on our two.  Both came back negative but it does seem like a matter of time.  As they both were previously infected in November - pre-Delta - I guess we'll find out how much lasting immunity they have.

My wife has been told by one of her friends, a teaching assistant at the school, that it's now seven positive cases in the class and three in the other half of the same year group.  Does anyone know if there is a threshold at which Public Health will intervene or will it just be left to run its course?

[Barneylfc∗]

My lad keeps insisting that kids in his class, who he has been sitting/standing next to have gone off with Covid, but we are not hearing a thing from Test and Trace, so I have no idea if its the system failing or he's lying.

I'm still waiting on a call from them after my girlfriend tested positive last Friday.

[farawayred]

I'm still waiting on a call from them after my girlfriend tested positive last Friday.

So, as Rob says, you're probably lying...

[PaulF]

I'm waiting on a PCR result. I think it's just a heavy cold, but I've been wiped out for 3 days and counting.

[Wabaloolah]

I'm still waiting on a call from them after my girlfriend tested positive last Friday.

I was a close contact of people from our cricket trip to Torquay, never got a phone call off them but did get pinged by the app, I think it was two days after the confirmed positive case.  I know someone who works for Track and Trace (she now has CoVid as her son brought it home from school!!) and she said they are totally swamped at the moment (South Wales) may be the same where you are too

[Nobby Reserve]

Two children in my 5-year old's class had positive tests yesterday.  This came off the back of one positive test the previous day and his mum letting other parents know via a WhatsApp group.

The school have belatedly put up a message to say they're working to identify close contacts but that they won't need to isolate anyway (which is government guidance).  I can probably help them with the close contacts... the other 27 children in the class 

My wife does a test before work every day as she works with clinically vulnerable people so we used some of those tests on our two.  Both came back negative but it does seem like a matter of time.  As they both were previously infected in November - pre-Delta - I guess we'll find out how much lasting immunity they have.

This graph tells its own story; all age groups show declining infection rates after 6th Sept, except the 5-9 and 10-14 groups.

The JCVI nor recommending vaccinations for younger kids, plus the government refusing to implement mitigation methods in schools (both physical and procedural) look to be the main reasons behind this. That's backed-up with the fall in infections in the 15-19 age bracket where the majority will have been vaccinated by now.

[classycarra]

That's backed-up with the fall in infections in the 15-19 age bracket where the majority will have been vaccinated by now.

Going on the latest publicly available data, 14% of 16-17y/olds and 52% of 18-24y/olds have had two doses of the vaccine.

On first dose alone that only goes up to 53% of 16-17 y/olds and 66% of 18-24 y/olds.

I'd assume the proportion among 15 year olds are lower still. So we probably aren't at a stage we can say most 15-19 year olds are vaccinated.

Source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation%26areaName=England#card-vaccination_uptake_by_vaccination_date_age_demographics

[rob1966]

Welshred and Tepid can hold their laughter in, but I've got to take the lad for a PCR test. Coughing, says he can't smell things properly and sent home from school, they asked would I please take him.

[PaulF]

You did well to last this long Rob.
That him done until Xmas?

[Welshred]

 


Fingers crossed its not Covid Rob

[rob1966]

You did well to last this long Rob.
That him done until Xmas?

Nah, he's is back at school as soon as I can get him there.

Fingers crossed its not Covid Rob

Cheers.

[afc tukrish]

Welshred and Tepid can hold their laughter in, but I've got to take the lad for a PCR test. Coughing, says he can't smell things properly and sent home from school, they asked would I please take him.

Very much hope it's merely him being a rapscallion and identifying Covid symptoms to bunk off school, as you alluded to earlier and we all tried when younger.

Testing him is absolutely the right thing to do.

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36710 new cases and 182 deaths reported today.

[redbyrdz]

Wonder if the idea is to get as many people of the low-risk groups infected or at least exposed to the virus now, as some sort of a natural immunity booster, instead of giving vaccine boosters.

With over 1000 deaths per week that seems like a dangerous game to me.

[Commie Bobbie]

We seem to be sleepwalking back to where we were earlier in the year - and with the current government's fuck ups being on the front page - I fear that this is going to go back to the back of the public consciousness in the same way it did this time last year.

[rob1966]

Very much hope it's merely him being a rapscallion and identifying Covid symptoms to bunk off school, as you alluded to earlier and we all tried when younger.

Testing him is absolutely the right thing to do.

His suddenly made an amazing recovery since he found out he can't go to school tomorrow as they have requested he stays home until we get the result and the wife said if its in early he can still stay off.

[rob1966]

We seem to be sleepwalking back to where we were earlier in the year - and with the current government's fuck ups being on the front page - I fear that this is going to go back to the back of the public consciousness in the same way it did this time last year.

Boris will save Christmas and the absolute idiot English will lap it up.

[afc tukrish]

His suddenly made an amazing recovery since he found out he can't go to school tomorrow as they have requested he stays home until we get the result and the wife said if its in early he can still stay off.

 

[smicer07]

Covid spreading like wildfire throughout the school I work in. Y11 in particular, decimated.

[Jake]

I just don't get how hundreds of deaths a day is acceptable now. Last year we all were under police lockdown and we had single and double figure deaths some days.

This country is a fucking shambles.

[Gerry Attrick]

I just don't get how hundreds of deaths a day is acceptable now. Last year we all were under police lockdown and we had single and double figure deaths some days.

This country is a fucking shambles.

Where's the money coming from?

[Macphisto80]

I was initially a sceptic of vaccine passports. Now I think they need enforced. Zero compromises. Anyone not double vaccinated? Fuck off. You're not getting through the door of wherever requires it.

[thejbs]

I was initially a sceptic of vaccine passports. Now I think they need enforced. Zero compromises. Anyone not double vaccinated? Fuck off. You're not getting through the door of wherever requires it.

When Ireland did it for pubs and restaurants, the uptake for vaccinations was huge. 

A tree surgeon working at my house today was vehemently anti-vax, but said he would get it if his local pub required it.

[Wabaloolah]

I was initially a sceptic of vaccine passports. Now I think they need enforced. Zero compromises. Anyone not double vaccinated? Fuck off. You're not getting through the door of wherever requires it.

100% it should be mandatory to get in anywhere, pubs, restaurant, cinema, theatre etc.

If the gullible fools lap up the antivax messaged then tough shit. As you say, Fuck em

[RF]

When Ireland did it for pubs and restaurants, the uptake for vaccinations was huge. 

A tree surgeon working at my house today was vehemently anti-vax, but said he would get it if his local pub required it.

Antivax = Selfish

Simple as.

[RainbowFlick]

Where's the money coming from?

where does it ever come from

[PaulF]

where does it ever come from

I thought Theresa found the magic money tree? Or does that only have enough for the dup ?

[Fromola]

I was initially a sceptic of vaccine passports. Now I think they need enforced. Zero compromises. Anyone not double vaccinated? Fuck off. You're not getting through the door of wherever requires it.

Is it worth the hassle though? Maybe it is, but loads of vaccinated people are carrying and spreading the virus anyway and the vaccine take up has always been high.

It'll still rip through the unvaccinated schools where kids will spread it back to their vaccinated parents.

[Welshred]

Booster jab booked in for a week on Monday for me

[rob1966]

Is it worth the hassle though? Maybe it is, but loads of vaccinated people are carrying and spreading the virus anyway and the vaccine take up has always been high.

It'll still rip through the unvaccinated schools where kids will spread it back to their vaccinated parents.

Ask the NHS, seeing as they are seeing mainly unvaccinated patients being admitted, 75% was the figure I saw the other week.