Author Topic: Bernard Diomede (Read 8809 times)

laddo · « **Reply #40 on:** June 3, 2003, 11:06:51 pm »

diomede played 6 first team matches and about 10 pre season friendlies

he played when we toured the far east and in the pre season campaign before that but once the season started was left dumped in the reserves again - despite us crying out for wingers.

see my article for more of my views

IMO he was wasted, should have at least been given more of a chance.

Gnurglan · « **Reply #41 on:** June 3, 2003, 11:28:07 pm »

Quote from: laddo on June 3, 2003, 11:06:51 pm

diomede played 6 first team matches and about 10 pre season friendlies

he played when we toured the far east and in the pre season campaign before that but once the season started was left dumped in the reserves again - despite us crying out for wingers.

see my article for more of my views

IMO he was wasted, should have at least been given more of a chance.

Agree that he was wasted, but not sure how bad it's been for us. This is what I find so strange; last summer we wanted Duff, a left winger. We had two possible options in our squad already; Diomede and Partridge, but didn't try them. Maybe none of them were/are good enough, but at least they were options that we didn't have. But again, an option we wanted. None of them got to play this season and yet we want that LM player. We still think that's going to solve our problems. If we've been ready to play Biscan on the wing, why not Diomede, who is a natural wide man? Not even Riise is very good at LM, but we let him play. But Diomede? We haven't even seen him on the bench.

stoz · « **Reply #42 on:** June 3, 2003, 11:49:47 pm »

Sean Dundee. How much did we pay for him?

john_mac · « **Reply #43 on:** June 3, 2003, 11:50:41 pm »

Well as a bit of a codger I may try to intervene, we spent what was at the time relatively big money (about £250 000) on Frank McGarvey. During his time at Anfield he was capped twice by Scotland but never made a first team appearance, despite being very impressive in the reserves. Biggest difference probably was taht we got virtually our money back when we sold him.

For me the worst was Stewart, he was a big money signing, that i knew was shite before we signed him (and a Man U fan to boot) when we sold him we couldn't get anything for him. A couple of season later he was playing at Prescot Cables!

Shanks had a couple too- Jack Whitham, Alan Waddle anyone? John Wark was never the player for us that he was at Ipswich and went from being from being one of the most sought after players in Europe to a reserve team player in the space of fourteen months (mind u, he was top scorer in the year inbetween). Don't forget Babb was a record for a defender, and how much we laughed when Hysen fucked Man U off, and they had to go for Pallister instead! David Hodgson and Paul Walsh were both players i really rated before they arrived but never really reached the heights i expected, i'm not sure i ever expected taht of Diomede even as a world cup winner.

For disappointment the award would have to go to Collymore, enormous potential and a criminal waste, imagine what he thinks when he gets up of a morning now!

After all that look on the bright side, at least we never had Bernie Wright.............

stoz · « **Reply #44 on:** June 3, 2003, 11:55:19 pm »

Was thinking of him John, although it was not his fault if he never got the chance, he was obviously a decent player as he was capped for Scotland whilst at Anfield.

Why was it that he was never given the chance in the first team?

john_mac · « **Reply #45 on:** June 4, 2003, 12:18:56 am »

At teh time Stoz we had Kenny and Davey Johno up front, with Fairclough and Heighway as back up, and plenty of goals from McDermott. At the time he was in the reserves with a young lad called Rush! Ironically a couple of weeks after he left quite a few of the forwards at the club were injured, and he would have got his chance.

The way it worked out Gayle got a chance in Munich but got injured too, Rush then got a chance, Heighway played up front in the league cup final against West Ham, and then Rush was brought back in for the replay, and stayed in.

i know you are gonna check this up and find something wrong with my hazey memory, but if I do remember right trhere were a few weeks between the league cup games, the Munich game probably came later, thinking about it- it was the week after Easter.

Anyhow point was at the time he left he would have been ahead of the others but got pissed off biding his time away in the reserves. Just think, if he'd have come in and done well, it may have been Rushie that got pissed off!

Roddysul · « **Reply #46 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:06:07 am »

Think Bernie just didn't get a good enough chance to shine. You don't get a world cup squad winners medal by being shite.

We've been crying out for a left winger for ages but he didn't really get a long enough run in the squad for the team to get used to playing with that option.

Think he might be one of those players for which signing for liverpool turned out to be a bad move.

Jonny_H · « **Reply #47 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:38:10 am »

as diomede gone then

stoz · « **Reply #48 on:** June 4, 2003, 02:06:24 am »

Quote from: john_mac on June 4, 2003, 12:18:56 am

i know you are gonna check this up and find something wrong with my hazey memory, but if I do remember right trhere were a few weeks between the league cup games, the Munich game probably came later, thinking about it- it was the week after Easter.

Spot on John. Nothing wrong with the memory.

Unless we're talking Shrewsbury in 1996

Paul · « **Reply #49 on:** June 4, 2003, 02:28:57 am »

Quote from: Roddysul on June 4, 2003, 01:06:07 am

You don't get a world cup squad winners medal by being shite.

Frank Lebouf did

john_mac · « **Reply #50 on:** June 4, 2003, 09:13:02 am »

Quote from: Roddysul on June 4, 2003, 01:06:07 am

You don't get a world cup squad winners medal by being shite.

Think about 20 Argentinians did as well in 1986!

Diomede wasn't getting a game at Auxerre and Ged offered him the chance to ressurect his career, he never really took that. He seldom looked like a player desperate to prove himself in the reserves or even on the odd occassions he was given a chance.

There were hardly a queue of clubs, even French clubs waiting to take him off our hands, think that may speak volumes for the way his attitude is perceived even in his own country, for whom he won a world cup winners medal.

The Albert Cock · « **Reply #51 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:04:57 pm »

i wonder what his weekly wage was?

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #52 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:09:55 pm »

Alan Waddle

I remember on the "team of the decade" vid (i think it was that one) they mentioned he made 1 appearance? and showed his goal?

Might be a little misguided, unfortunately wasn't around in those days to witness it

stoz · « **Reply #53 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:24:13 pm »

He made more than one appearance, but the goal it would have showed was his only one.

December 1973 at Goodison in a 1-0 win. Goal was scored at 68 minutes and 18 seconds to be precise.

Jason_King · « **Reply #54 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:44:36 pm »

Diomede was an appaling signing. Why sign a player for that much cash and hardly ever play him. Very poor and sadly Biscan may be going the same way and he shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath as any of those bakes.

Babb is right up there, fucking appaling he was he can be mentioned in the same breath as players like Paul Williams(Coventry), Earl Barrett, Paul Stewart any ofthe worst players I have ever seen. As a player he was a mile fitter than me but he couldnt do anything I couldnt manage as well!!

m_houllier · « **Reply #55 on:** June 4, 2003, 01:51:04 pm »

It's a bit unfair though to compare the signings of Shanks and Houllier because back then of course we didn't need as many players.

Nowadays you tend to need a squad, plus you got reserve players too generally the squad players, to look after.

Colum · « **Reply #56 on:** June 4, 2003, 02:19:17 pm »

Dundee was our worst signing. Or a Souness one... there were plenty.

Stevo · « **Reply #57 on:** June 4, 2003, 02:25:57 pm »

Dont like players being labelled 'worst', think its very unfair.

Think the criticism should go to GH, he bought him when he clearly wasnt good enough. I think GH would admit he miss-spent £3m on a poor player - who wasn't even given a proper chance.

*Stands by for the usual 'Get off Houllier's back' comments

"17" · « **Reply #58 on:** June 4, 2003, 02:45:40 pm »

Kvarme was the worst signing ever and we got him on a free

john_mac · « **Reply #59 on:** June 4, 2003, 02:47:06 pm »

& he's on his way to a championship medal in the best league in the world!

Wilbur · « **Reply #60 on:** June 4, 2003, 04:28:59 pm »

Poor Hysen - looked so good in Italy, was so short of pace after his first year with us. It was as if the game passed him by.

As for Babb, he was a rotten player, but at least he actually got on the pitch on a regular basis, unlike Diomede.

Byrnee · « **Reply #61 on:** June 4, 2003, 04:49:44 pm »

Babb was fucking terrible absolutely terrible... didn't give a shit about Liverpool, seemed to snigger if we lost or conceded. It didn't mean shit to him.

Collymore actually has a very good record with us but without doubt was the biggest waste - what talent that boy had. Fuck me he was unstoppable. Friends of mine were talking recently and they said
'Collymore - the English Ronaldo' he was amazing and it makes me sad just to think about it.

Never forget the 4-2 v Forest at Anfield. I think we were 2-0 down, maybe it was 2-1 but I was there with me dad and Collymore was superb. When he scored and went over to them kissing the badge... I could have kissed him!

Such a shame...

Tony19:6 · « **Reply #62 on:** June 4, 2003, 10:10:05 pm »

Quote from: "17" on June 4, 2003, 02:45:40 pm

Kvarme was the worst signing ever and we got him on a free

Have to disagree with that.
Cast your mind back to the time when everyone was raving about him for the first 18 months or so.
Quick good tackler one of the best man markers around
He then made 2 high profile mistakes agianst Manure and Everton I think and history was rewritten...
Seems to have turned things around at R.Sociedad - good luck to him I say!!

David James wasnt exactly a good signing was he ??
All the attributes but no bottle or concentration.. It amazes me to see him between the sticks for another (now ex) PL club never mind England

Mark_P · « **Reply #63 on:** June 4, 2003, 10:35:52 pm »

Kvarme never recovered from being skinned by Cadermateri

Tony19:6 · « **Reply #64 on:** June 4, 2003, 10:43:09 pm »

Quote from: treble2001 on June 4, 2003, 10:35:52 pm

Kvarme never recovered from being skinned by Cadermateri

Really ??

team P W D L F A GD Pts
1 R.SOCIEDAD 36 21 10 5 66 42 24 73
2 REAL MADRID 36 20 12 4 80 2 38 72
3 DEPORTIVO 36 21 6 9 63 43 20 69

Mark_P · « **Reply #65 on:** June 4, 2003, 10:47:01 pm »

And.. ?

Tony19:6 · « **Reply #66 on:** June 4, 2003, 10:53:43 pm »

Quote from: treble2001 on June 4, 2003, 10:47:01 pm

And.. ?

Not got Sky then ?

Mark_P · « **Reply #67 on:** June 4, 2003, 11:00:04 pm »

"Worst LFC signing in history?"

I was talking about his LFC career, that is what the questions about

buckshee · « **Reply #68 on:** June 4, 2003, 11:02:06 pm »

O.....Leonhardson and Mark Walters

Tony19:6 · « **Reply #69 on:** June 4, 2003, 11:05:19 pm »

Quote from: treble2001 on June 4, 2003, 11:00:04 pm

"Worst LFC signing in history?"

I was talking about his LFC career, that is what the questions about

Fair enough but I as I said I dont think he was as bad for LFC as people are portraying.
He certainly didnt make as many mistakes as a certain CB/LB currently filling in for SH.
I say good luck to the lad

Armin · « **Reply #70 on:** June 4, 2003, 11:05:56 pm »

Kvarme wasn't that bad - certainly not the worst signing ever. Don't forget he made a contribution for a while and he didn't cost the earth. We were poor defensively then and could probablky have turned Desailly into Frank Sinclair such was our defensive ineptitude. His current success in Spain suggests he wasn't a complete waste of space.

Unlike my nomination...

It absolutely HAS to be Paul Fucking Stewart. He's the only Liverpool player who looked like he'd never even seen a football let alone kicked one. Watching that fat feckless flop staggering round the pitch vainly trying to pass the ball was enough to make a grown man cry.

He cost a fortune and he couldn't play football. Probably couldn't spell it.

Beside him, Kvarme looks like Bobby Moore and Diomede like Pele. Just writing about him has made me feel ill.

The horror!

Mark_P · « **Reply #71 on:** June 4, 2003, 11:29:55 pm »

He wasn't that bad ... in fact he was class when he arrived ... just the Cadermateri skinning seemed to send him on a downward spiral

Tony19:6 · « **Reply #72 on:** June 4, 2003, 11:41:29 pm »

Quote from: Armin_Tamzarian on June 4, 2003, 11:05:56 pm

Unlike my nomination...

It absolutely HAS to be Paul Fucking Stewart. He's the only Liverpool player who looked like he'd never even seen a football let alone kicked one. Watching that fat feckless flop staggering round the pitch vainly trying to pass the ball was enough to make a grown man cry.

He cost a fortune and he couldn't play football. Probably couldn't spell it.

Didnt know he had a middle name

Anyways I once saw a lad at Anfield wearing the LFC home shirt with the legend Stewart 8 emblazoned on the back

just hope for his sake it was his own name

Armin · « **Reply #73 on:** June 5, 2003, 10:29:52 am »

Quote

Anyways I once saw a lad at Anfield wearing the LFC home shirt with the legend Stewart 8 emblazoned on the back

Relax, Tony it continues on the other side of his shirt

'all the pies'

On the tracksuit version it goes further

'and the woman who sells the pies, and the pie van, and the factory where they make the pies'.

The alternative explanation is that the poor deluded eejit thought Stewart was a football player and not a £2million mobile receptacle for lard n' dripping.

Which he most definitely was!

WOOLTONIAN · « **Reply #74 on:** June 5, 2003, 11:50:16 am »

Reeves mate
while Ged is still in charge the jury must remain out on this one.
I wouldn't put it past Ged to find another pearler before he leaves.
When Ged finally decides to call it a day I think everyone will look at all his signings and make a judgement on Best and Worst.
My own opinion is SHOCKING, so I wont put it here.
Wooly

smicer07 · « **Reply #75 on:** June 5, 2003, 11:54:35 am »

Shocking? So you're conveniently going to forget Heskey, Dudek, Henchoz, Hyypia, Riise, bringing Gerrard through etc etc etc?

WOOLTONIAN · « **Reply #76 on:** June 5, 2003, 12:08:23 pm »

Shocking? So you're conveniently going to forget Heskey, Dudek, Henchoz, Hyypia, Riise, bringing Gerrard through etc etc etc?

FORGET ABOUT THEM ? You've nailed my choice for worst ever signing.
Heskey is the worst striker I've seen in over 40 years of watching LFC.
Dudek is a clown and good saves tend to be for the camera.
Henchoz and Hyypia are the slowest pairing of centre half's in our history.
Riise is one of the worst tacklers I've seen at left back, but has lots of talent when going forward.

Gerrard is and always was a class act, if his improvement continues he will rank up with Duncan Edwards in my opinion.

Before you go off on one have a look at the current squad and name any player, who is the best we've had in that position.
If you can find one your only proving your age or your memory's shot mate.

Jason_King · « **Reply #77 on:** June 5, 2003, 12:34:16 pm »

***slowly backs away from Wool keeping both eyes on him**

Armin · « **Reply #78 on:** June 5, 2003, 01:19:13 pm »

Wooltonian,

I have but one question (giggling manically)

Are any of the current squad, signings from outside or youth team products, regardless of perceived merits or lack of, in any way, shape or form, as bad a Paul Stewart?

Reeves · « **Reply #79 on:** June 5, 2003, 01:22:46 pm »

Quote from: WOOLTONIAN on June 5, 2003, 12:08:23 pm

Shocking? So you're conveniently going to forget Heskey, Dudek, Henchoz, Hyypia, Riise, bringing Gerrard through etc etc etc?

FORGET ABOUT THEM ? You've nailed my choice for worst ever signing.
Heskey is the worst striker I've seen in over 40 years of watching LFC.
Dudek is a clown and good saves tend to be for the camera.
Henchoz and Hyypia are the slowest pairing of centre half's in our history.
Riise is one of the worst tacklers I've seen at left back, but has lots of talent when going forward.

Gerrard is and always was a class act, if his improvement continues he will rank up with Duncan Edwards in my opinion.

Before you go off on one have a look at the current squad and name any player, who is the best we've had in that position.
If you can find one your only proving your age or your memory's shot mate.

Empathise with yer Wool, but disagree.

EH is not our worst striker, but iMHO he is not good enough for LFC.

Dudek is class. Yes some saves are for the camera, but what about Brucie?! I've never seen a keeper play for the camera so much as Brucie!! He used to roll on the floor about eight times when he came down from a catch! Dudek is a very good keeper and i think your being unecessarily harsh there, if not wrong!

SHx2 are slow, agreed. We do ned some pace at the heart of our defence. I've said it for a very long time. Great players, but require support from Didi.

Riise will improve and should be kept at left back. Ashley cole was poor defensively when he started. Positioning can improve, but things like speed, stamina and shooting are perfect. He will improve and get better.