Topic: I lied on my C.V. and now . . . .

[DangerScouse]

 well it wasn't me but a good mate of mine did. He works for a very large international bank and lied in his C.V. by stating he had a degree in public relations. H.R. have been onto him twice this week looking for confirmation of his degree. Any suggestions as to the best way to resolve this? He isn't keen in forging any documents as this will make matters far worse if he's found out.

[JimmyGrunt]

well it wasn't me but a good mate of mine did. He works for a very large international bank and lied in his C.V. by stating he had a degree in public relations. H.R. have been onto him twice this week looking for confirmation of his degree. Any suggestions as to the best way to resolve this? He isn't keen in forging any documents as this will make matters far worse if he's found out.

Erm, i would own up personally.

[Brian Blessed]

Well, he's fucked. Tell himt o quit to save face, or milk them as long as he can.

[Jimmy Conway]

If he works for large corp he'll be fucked, they will hang him out to dry!
It will be gross misconduct and hence, straight dismissal without notice.

[RigBon1892]

Quit.

[JimmyGrunt]

Well, he's fucked. Tell himt o quit to save face, or milk them as long as he can.

They'll prolly not pay him anyway, because when they do find out, there will be some loophole i would imagine him.

Tell him to jibb it, theres no point working and not getting paid for it.

Its not big and its not clever.

[AriGold]

Thats what he gets for cheating. Personally hope he gets sacked and fined.

[JimmyGrunt]

Thats what he gets for cheating. Personally hope he gets sacked and fined.

Also think of the other candidates that went for that role, who more than likely WERE qualified for it.

[RedGirlSuzie]

From a HR point of view I'd say quit asap. I'm assuming that he's still in his probationary period so it's likely he'll only need to give one weeks notice. He needs to get out of there quick before they find out, dismiss him for what is likely to be gross misconduct, thus resulting in awful furture references.

[AriGold]

Also think of the other candidates that went for that role, who more than likely WERE qualified for it.

Yep thats the main reason, people go to Uni for years to get the qualifications for their dream job and then some c*nt just lies about his? Not right if you ask me.

[Terry de Niro]

well it wasn't me but a good mate of mine did.

A likely story. Man up and own up..

[FSF]

Any suggestions as to the best way to resolve this? He isn't keen in forging any documents as this will make matters far worse if he's found out.

Just so I've got this straight, he wants a way of proving something that he's lied about and has no evidence for, without fabricating any evidence?

[SP]

As everyone is saying in a large corporate environment he's fucked. The best he can do is get out without a disciplinary or associated dodgy references.

Then start working on a lie about why he quit.

Did he honestly think that a bank would not check references and qualifications?

That said, being able to bullshit your way into the job sounds like ample qualification for a PR job. Not that that argument will hold any traction with a bank...

[cevans16]

Should have been fished out in the interview really!  Unless he's a good liar of course.

[ollick]

Quit.

I'd love to know what you he thought would happen? did you he really think that they wouldn't ask for proof?

[DangerScouse]

Just so I've got this straight, he wants a way of proving something that he's lied about and has no evidence for, without fabricating any evidence?

I was just stating that before someone suggested forging any documents. His only real option is to own up imo but he reckons he'll lose his job. Obviously he shouldn't have done it and it's bad form, but was wondering if anyone had been in a similar position before, and if so, what did they do about it and what was the outcome.

[gamble]

if he's in a big bank he's probably fucked. knew someone who worked for a company called "Risk Solutions" and they do employee screening for a lot of the big banks. bit surprised he didn't get caught earlier as these screening companies don't even need to see a certificate.

[gamble]

I wouldn't recommend forging anything by the way. Just quit probably, sharpish.

[royhendo]

Scary! To get this gig they ran 10 years worth of security and reference checks (professional and academic). Mental eh? Nothing's getting through those suckaz!!

[ollick]

What about this?

1. Find someone who has the degree that he's said he had at the interview.

2. Change his name by deed poll to that name.

3. Then chang his name back to his original name.

4. Take the degree in to HR with the second copy of the deed poll (the name on the degree deed poll to his actual name)

5. Tell them the delay was due to trying to get the degree updated with his 'new' name but he's now been told that the degree and the (second) deed poll is sufficient.

Might work!!

Actually wouldn't work as I'd imagine the deed poll would be dated post-interview so it'd be quite obvious at the time of interview it wasn't his actual name

[gamble]

Might work!!

too much blackadder!!!

[Johnnyboy1973]

His only real option is to own up imo but he reckons he'll lose his job.

Bad option.

His only real option is to leave. Just tell them he has found another job. They cant bad reference him and he gets away with it.

Own up - gross misconduct, sacked and legally within their rights to incorporate it in any future reference.

[ollick]

too much blackadder!!!

In which case he could always plead wibble!!

[Dr Cornwallis]

Tell them that he recently went into witness protection and his degree certificate has his old name on it and so he was told to discard it.

[Brian Blessed]

What about this?

1. Find someone who has the degree that he's said he had at the interview.

2. Change his name by deed poll to that name.

3. Then chang his name back to his original name.

4. Take the degree in to HR with the second copy of the deed poll (the name on the degree deed poll to his actual name)

5. Tell them the delay was due to trying to get the degree updated with his 'new' name but he's now been told that the degree and the (second) deed poll is sufficient.

Might work!!

Actually wouldn't work as I'd imagine the deed poll would be dated post-interview so it'd be quite obvious at the time of interview it wasn't his actual name

How about finding someone with his name and the degree he claims to have, kill the person and take over their life?

[DangerScouse]

Quit.

I'd love to know what you he thought would happen? did you he really think that they wouldn't ask for proof?

He's been working there for over a year and a half now, his H.R.dept.  are carrying out audits supposedly. Clearly it was an idiotic thing to do though.

[ElMagico]

Chances are he lied to get the job, and therefore he got the job under false pretenses. They could well ask him to pay back the money he has earned since being there.

[ollick]

Or get tell them he doesn't have the degree certificate due to a house fire.

Tell HR he's been in touch with the University and cannot get another copy until the New Year.

That'll give him some time to look for a new job.

Or,

Do the above, find someone you trust to move into the area of the university, give their landline number to HR and get them to call and confirm attendance at University.

Each time the landline number rings they answer with, "good morning XXXXXXXXX University Records Department how may I help?"

Or

Set up an answer machine with "You have reached XXXXXXXXX University Records Department please leave a message after the tone......."

Then get someone to call back with confirmation.

[ollick]

He's been working there for over a year and a half now, his H.R.dept.  are carrying out audits supposedly. Clearly it was an idiotic thing to do though.

Mate in that case he's got 18 months at a great job and hopefully a decent reference from them, quit mate and put it down to experience/lucky escape.

[kesey]

He should get out quick. Preferably after paying millions of quid into his back account.

[ollick]

Chances are he lied to get the job, and therefore he got the job under false pretenses. They could well ask him to pay back the money he has earned since being there.

Seems harsh (though not saying it could happen) surely he's doing the job to a satificatory standard, maybe he'd pay back a % based upon what they might pay a non-degreed employee.

Considering the length of time he's been in the job and the fact he hasn't been sacked, therefore must be suitable to the job, maybe he should own up and hope for the best.

[Party Phil]

Since he works in a bank, maybe he could perform a hostile takeover (and kill everyone else that works there)

[Dr Cornwallis]

Maybe he should cobble together a flimsy certificate with 'University of Life' at the top and then lick the back of it and slap it on the HR officers forehead, then tell her to make him a "cup of fucking tea".

[Gus 1855]

Only way out of it is to quit, say you got a new job and hope they forget about it.

[RigBon1892]

You'd wonder that they didnt ask for evidence at the time of interview.

[DangerScouse]

Mate in that case he's got 18 months at a great job and hopefully a decent reference from them, quit mate and put it down to experience/lucky escape.

Probably the best thing to do Ollick. If he just says he's going travelling and leaves it at that. If he's lucky he might get some money as a going away present.

[royhendo]

You'd wonder that they didnt ask for evidence at the time of interview.

In the IT contracting world, you meet an endless stream of people who claim to have qualifications but who in fact used to be posties, plumbers, and so on and so forth. I'd recommend reading "Catch Me If You Can".

[DangerScouse]

You'd wonder that they didnt ask for evidence at the time of interview.

In my old job, one of the lads was in the same boat and had been working there for over a year before being approached by H.R. The mad/stupid fucker forged his and got away with it.

[RedGirlSuzie]

Probably the best thing to do Ollick. If he just says he's going travelling and leaves it at that. If he's lucky he might get some money as a going away present.

True, but that can be risky as some employers put on references the reason for leaving, I'd therefore advise him to say something along the lines of, he's at a cross-roads of his life and isn't sure if this is the career he wants to pursue. Something along those lines so HR will just look at it and go, ok so it's it's either 'job not suitable' or 'career progression'. Therefore nothing can come back and bite him in the arse!

[RigBon1892]

In the IT contracting world, you meet an endless stream of people who claim to have qualifications but who in fact used to be posties, plumbers, and so on and so forth. I'd recommend reading "Catch Me If You Can".

Yes I have read it, and I know Frank Abagnale then worked to prevent people doing what he did.

But when I went for my PGCE interviews very first thing they did was photocopy my qualifications.