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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #840 on: July 14, 2016, 11:26:38 am »
Wasn't there some research into police shootings in the US which showed that, once stopped by the police, race wasn't really a huge factor in whether you ended up being killed by the police? What made deaths of black people so disproportionate was that black people were far more likely to be stopped?
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #841 on: July 14, 2016, 11:32:59 am »
Wasn't there some research into police shootings in the US which showed that, once stopped by the police, race wasn't really a huge factor in whether you ended up being killed by the police? What made deaths of black people so disproportionate was that black people were far more likely to be stopped?

I haven't seen the research, but that sounds likely.

The availability of guns over there means anyone could realistically be carrying. So in a situation like the above, you only have to reach into your pocket to end up dead. God forbid you should put your hand inside your clothes to check your gun shot wounds, because you're getting shot again.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #842 on: July 14, 2016, 11:43:18 am »
Found some coverage of the study, especially in the lacunae of its findings on Vox.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12148452/police-shootings-racism-study

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #843 on: July 14, 2016, 12:12:09 pm »


Not quite, I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say.

Of course the Police should be suitably equipped so they can perform their immediate Policing duties with minimum danger to themselves, and for they themselves to also act within the law and use appropriate minimal yet proportional force to apprehend and bring to justice the alleged perpetrator when required in order to uphold the law.

I don't think anyone is disputing this as a generalisation, the Police have a difficult and often dangerous job and one that most will attempt to perform with care and duty and support of the public, though that argument could be taken to the next stage, as in why not use robots instead so the Police can sit safely and anonymously in a bunker miles from the scene...
 
I just find it all disturbing and a very sad reflection on our civil societies and what we have become, that such scenes are somehow regarded as being in any way remotely acceptable.

They're not, and we really should be trying to prevent such scenes and the reasons for such scenes from ever happening in the first place.

I read somewhere the other day, I can't find the link at the moment, that over half of full on SWAT responses in the US, SWAT teams once only ever called in for very serious situations, are now for largely for what would be considered domestic disputes.

As I said, a good place to start in the US, to try and regain some sense of a civil society rather than that of a paramilitary state, would be for them to reaxamine the remarkably relaxed firearm laws that have caused so much of this escalation in technology and subsequent inevitable brutalising of the public, but also resulted in the brutalising of the Policeforce itself and its responses when it feels under attack.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #845 on: July 15, 2016, 11:47:41 am »
United States 2016

Total number of incidents: 28,584

Number of Deaths: 7,359
Number of Injuries: 15,210

Number of Children (0-11) Killed/Injured: 328
Number of Children (12-17) Killed/Injured: 1,601

Mass Shootings: 184

Officer Involved Incident (Officer shot/killed): 176
Officer Involved Incident (Perp shot/killed): 984

Home Invasion: 1,200
Defensive Use: 873
Accidental Shootings: 1,210

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #846 on: July 15, 2016, 02:35:48 pm »
Crossfit Games are giving away a free Glock gun to every winner of some competition or other. A free fucking gun to the winners of a competition for 'roid heads. Fucking madness.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #847 on: July 15, 2016, 02:36:28 pm »
Crossfit Games are giving away a free Glock gun to every winner of some competition or other. A free fucking gun to the winners of a competition for 'roid heads. Fucking madness.

You just gave me another reason to despise crossfit. Thanks!
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #848 on: July 15, 2016, 02:40:21 pm »
You're welcome! I recommend watching the promotional video on the Crossfit Facebook page for added "I FUCKING HATE YOU" feels.

https://www.facebook.com/CrossFitGames/videos/1153309504710906/

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #849 on: July 15, 2016, 05:19:36 pm »
Crossfit Games are giving away a free Glock gun to every winner of some competition or other. A free fucking gun to the winners of a competition for 'roid heads. Fucking madness.

This really is a great example of how insane gun culture in America is.

Don't give them some free supplements or anything like that - give 'em a weapon to shoot shit with.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #850 on: July 15, 2016, 07:23:14 pm »
If I had a dollar for the amount of times I've heard "Time to ban Trailer-trucks" or "Where is the truck control calls" or other such nonsense I could probably retire today.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #851 on: July 16, 2016, 05:09:28 am »
So my Mother messages me earlier asking about Turkey and just lamenting how the world is degrading... keep in mind I just got back to the US after living in England the last 4.5 years...



I am a gun owner, my hunting shotgun, don't have any issues with responsible ownership, but at the same time I wouldn't have any issues with them being removed from society.  I am good with my bow after all.

Different world over here.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #852 on: July 16, 2016, 11:28:35 am »
So my Mother messages me earlier asking about Turkey and just lamenting how the world is degrading... keep in mind I just got back to the US after living in England the last 4.5 years...



I am a gun owner, my hunting shotgun, don't have any issues with responsible ownership, but at the same time I wouldn't have any issues with them being removed from society.  I am good with my bow after all.

Different world over here.

Thats very decent of you, the offer of downgrading to a bow so you can continue to murder animals.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #853 on: July 16, 2016, 01:25:47 pm »
Crossfit Games are giving away a free Glock gun to every winner of some competition or other. A free fucking gun to the winners of a competition for 'roid heads. Fucking madness.

A car dealer in the States was giving a free AR-15 with the purchase of selected used cars.

A lad at work does target shooting with full bore rifles, he was unable to buy any .308 ammunition for his rifle for a month or so as the demand in the states has been so high for ammo.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #854 on: July 16, 2016, 01:50:58 pm »
Thats very decent of you, the offer of downgrading to a bow so you can continue to murder animals.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #855 on: July 16, 2016, 02:00:48 pm »
As I've said before, the Full English is just the base upon which the Scots/Welsh/NI have improved upon. Sorry but the Full English is the worst of the British breakfasts.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #856 on: July 16, 2016, 02:09:30 pm »
Whats funny?

It's unrelated to the thread topic so therefore no reason to bite.  :wave

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #857 on: July 16, 2016, 02:16:14 pm »
It's unrelated to the thread topic so therefore no reason to bite.  :wave

the topic is about shooting guns in America. So feel free to bite
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #858 on: July 16, 2016, 02:18:01 pm »
the topic is about shooting guns in America. So feel free to bite

Your issue was with me shooting a bow, so it's unrelated.  Jog on.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #859 on: July 16, 2016, 02:19:27 pm »
Your issue was with me shooting a bow, so it's unrelated.  Jog on.

Its more what you do with you gun and bow to be honest.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #860 on: July 16, 2016, 02:44:27 pm »
So you've blocked me instead of entering debate and defending your lifestyle choices.  cock

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #861 on: July 16, 2016, 02:47:58 pm »
So you've blocked me instead of entering debate and defending your lifestyle choices.  cock

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #862 on: July 16, 2016, 02:56:15 pm »
If all the meat and animal products he obtains is from his own hunting, I'd argue that's a far better thing than popping down the supermarket every week to buy battery-farmed, industrial slaughterhouse shite like many millions of us do. Even better if it's with a bow.

I have absolutely zero problem with someone hunting with a bow, as long as you aren't endangering any species, causing unnatural animal population imbalances in a sensitive habitat, or being generally disrespectful to the creatures and killing them inhumanely. And as long as you're making good use of the animal carcass for sustenance and materials, letting none of its sacrifice go to waste, that's cool by me.

Hunting with a high-powered rifle or other firearms/explosives just pushes things a little too far into 'unfair advantage' territory for my sensibilities, unless it's a genuine necessity in your situation (as in to avoid starving, or at least becoming physically weak, without other readily available and rich sources of protein, etc).


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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #863 on: July 16, 2016, 02:59:41 pm »
Real animal slaughterers got wood!!

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #864 on: July 16, 2016, 03:20:23 pm »
All that said, apologies if my post deviated the stream of meaningful, on-topic conversation into a waterfall of self-righteousness.  Wasn't my intention at all.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #865 on: July 16, 2016, 09:05:55 pm »
It could have fired a knockout dart
Through a wall?

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #866 on: July 16, 2016, 10:38:21 pm »
Through a wall?


I was making the point that it could have fired a dart rather than the other suggestion of 'knockout gas'
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #867 on: July 16, 2016, 11:22:13 pm »

I was making the point that it could have fired a dart rather than the other suggestion of 'knockout gas'
Neither would have worked in this instance.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #868 on: July 17, 2016, 04:02:07 pm »
A police officer has reportedly been shot dead in Baton Rouge. Situation developing but early reports suggest there is at least one death.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #869 on: July 17, 2016, 04:04:46 pm »
A police officer has reportedly been shot dead in Baton Rouge. Situation developing but early reports suggest there is at least one death.

One police officer reported dead. Two other individuals also reported dead.

Hmmm.


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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #870 on: July 17, 2016, 04:23:53 pm »
According to the BBC, the three are still alive but critically ill - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36820782. They might be behind other media, though.

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« Reply #871 on: July 17, 2016, 04:28:43 pm »
CNN say 3 officers dead 7 shot.

Other News outlets saying 2 dead.
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #872 on: July 17, 2016, 04:30:28 pm »
Apparently the shooter was walking down the street with an assault rifle according to eyewitnesses.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #873 on: July 17, 2016, 04:45:56 pm »
It really is all kinds of fucked up over there
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #874 on: July 17, 2016, 05:09:06 pm »
Apparently the shooter was walking down the street with an assault rifle according to eyewitnesses.

It doesn't mean he was breaking the law, that's his right....apparently.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #875 on: July 17, 2016, 05:16:25 pm »
Thought this was interesting (and prescient considering today's events): http://theatln.tc/29zSCnV

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #876 on: July 17, 2016, 06:36:19 pm »
What a hopeless cycle of violence. Nervous, armed police officers now getting even more nervous, because they are targeted by civilians armed with automatic rifles.

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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #877 on: July 17, 2016, 06:41:50 pm »
In times like this, it is time to arm and protect yourself. Tonight I have placed the metal spring bit on all my elastics for my peg gun.

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« Reply #878 on: July 17, 2016, 06:54:04 pm »
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Re: Yet another mass shooting in America.
« Reply #879 on: July 17, 2016, 07:01:49 pm »
You wonder whether this could end up finally being the political tipping point for gun control measures if the anti police murders continue as it poses a direct threat to law and order.