Which half is bollocks in what I said?
I've often stayed and had another beer instead of getting into a ground early (knowing I will have a more difficult time in getting in, that's the bad influence of enjoying myself with friends on the beer), but if I can, yes I do try to be 'holloier than thou' (as you put it) to avoid such hassle, and take the edge off what should be an enjoyable away trip.
I also collected my tickets from the Hotel and walked to the stadium with plenty of time. Yes it's questionable why the club had us do this with such time restraints? (But that's a different debate).
As I Said at the beginning of my first post, there will be some that disagree with my comments, So I hope you had a good trip (and many more ) SwedenRed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byvatwa5Pfw Have a cup of tea and and listen to that. Football supporters should be able to go to matches without having to get in an hour before to prevent being abused, we shouldn't have to put up with antiquated policing and stewarding. You got in early and had no problem. I'm pleased for you, thats the way it should be for all our and any other teams fans. I'm not naive I've been to loads of aways, including the likes of Old Trafford in the Seventies and Eighties, and know the score and probably would try and get the ground handy for some European aways, probably including Seville because of the bad rep of their police and stewards but that's not the point. By all accounts, and talking to mates who were caught up in it who I know I can trust, the policing and stewarding could have caused a serious incident last night if there hadn't been restraint and self policing from the majority of Liverpool fans, who only wanted to go the match on time, get in safely and not be treated like a criminal. Why shouldn't we actually have a laugh or enjoy the experience of going to the match without being humiliated or worse having our safety compromised.
The danger in what your emphasising is that inherent in it, is an acceptance that football fans should have to jump through hoops to avoid being policed in this way. But the main point isn't that, it is that Policing like this is dangerous, counterproductive and rather than preventing problems, actually causes problems.
Just because you turn up half an hour before kick off doesn't make it acceptable to punch women in the face indiscriminately or have no system for checking bags of those on daytrips or have a functioning reclaim system, it doesn't make it right that fans are treated like a mass of hooligans rather than isolating any that cause problems. Just because we've been treated like cattle for years doesn't make it right that we should have to endure some of the things we accept as normal. You got in early but you were still kept in despite loads having to get flights back for work etc. maybe if that had of effected you, you might feel different, who knows. At the very least why not communicate with the fans, explain whats happening. We're hardly calling for groundbreaking stuff here, just basic efficient organisation that can be planned for.
This isn't about us arguing amongst ourselves, that's not the point. I'm not giving you any grief at all, been involved in enough incidents like this to know that people can have totally different experiences, sometimes purely by chance. I just think you're wrong on what you're emphasising There is a pattern here at Seville. This has happened to Spurs Leicester and now Liverpool, should we wait till there's real carnage at Seville because of their policy of treating away fans as hooligans, and someone gets seriously injured or worse, someone gets killed before saying their methods of policing cause safety problems that can seriously jepodise safety. It's wrong and as football fans shouldn't have to put up with it anymore. Those who had bad experiences should contact the club.
