Author Topic: The Alternative Premier League Table 2017-18 (Read 174358 times)

farawayred · « **Reply #760 on:** March 6, 2018, 08:53:01 pm »

A win away of any of the top teams against another is the main reason why the APLT table does not reflect the real table until the last game has been played; is that correct? The away team gains 2 points, while the home team loses 3 points, so that's a 5 point difference, whereas in the table it's only 3 pts.

I've been thinking if this effect can be dampened a bit, and I think the following would go some ways to do that (if there were the desire). We can apply a different standard to the top 7 teams. For example, the home games of a top 7 team against the other top 7 teams can be weighed more like 2/1/0 pts for a win/draw/loss. That would distribute the expected points as follows:
Home games: 6x2 (wins against the other top 7 teams) + 13x3 = 51 pts
Away games: 10x3 (bottom half of table) + 9x1 = 39 pts
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Total: 90 pts

Any thoughts?

drmick · « **Reply #761 on:** March 6, 2018, 09:20:53 pm »

It might reflect this season better than the current model, but last year's teams at 7th, 8th and 9th have been rubbish this year. Good chance this year's eventual teams in those positions will be no good next year as well.

Prof · « **Reply #762 on:** March 6, 2018, 10:40:29 pm »

Nessy76 · « **Reply #763 on:** March 7, 2018, 01:52:46 am »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 6, 2018, 07:13:06 pm

Unless you can make it stand up?

If I wanted a double entendre, I would have asked you to give me one.

farawayred · « **Reply #764 on:** March 7, 2018, 03:38:46 am »

Prof, I think we need to exclude Arsenal in the future, so we can actually see the spacing between the other teams.

JCB · « **Reply #765 on:** March 7, 2018, 12:28:54 pm »

Cheers Prof,

Barring one game a piece, both Chelsea & Arsenal have been dropping points every game since Match Day 24. Arsenal's decline however is remarkable.

Hopefully we can inflict some damage on Man U this weekend, it will bring them right into that middle group and make the final run so much more interesting but I guess that goes without saying...

Anyway here's the Relegation APLT: Week 29

KurtVerbose · « **Reply #766 on:** March 7, 2018, 01:08:47 pm »

The bottom of the table's looking a bit clearer. Feel sorry a bit for Southampton, but if they keep selling their best players to us what do they expect?

SpionBob · « **Reply #767 on:** March 7, 2018, 01:59:12 pm »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 7, 2018, 01:08:47 pm

The bottom of the table's looking a bit clearer. Feel sorry a bit for Southampton, but if they keep selling their best players to us what do they expect?

Its time they made a stand, they sell to us far too easily!

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #768 on:** March 7, 2018, 01:59:24 pm »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 7, 2018, 01:08:47 pm

The bottom of the table's looking a bit clearer. Feel sorry a bit for Southampton, but if they keep selling their best players to us what do they expect?

Well, they had 75 million burning a hole in their pocket just from January, did they invest it in players?

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #769 on:** March 7, 2018, 04:42:46 pm »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 7, 2018, 01:08:47 pm

The bottom of the table's looking a bit clearer. Feel sorry a bit for Southampton, but if they keep selling their best players to us what do they expect?

Southampton's problem as well is they persisted with Pellegrino, who is nowhere near good enough to keep pushing them up the table right now.

JCB · « **Reply #770 on:** March 7, 2018, 04:49:59 pm »

Well the good news is that any player we buy from Southampton this summer should be cheaper.

(theoretically... they'll sting us badly if they can, let's just stay away from tapping any of them up and we might just be ok)

KurtVerbose · « **Reply #771 on:** March 7, 2018, 07:07:41 pm »

Quote from: JCB on March 7, 2018, 04:49:59 pm

Well the good news is that any player we buy from Southampton this summer should be cheaper.

Do they have any players we want? There's Bertrand, but we're reasonably well stocked in that department.

MerseysideBrum · « **Reply #772 on:** March 8, 2018, 11:20:32 am »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 7, 2018, 07:07:41 pm

Do they have any players we want? There's Bertrand, but we're reasonably well stocked in that department.

Unconfirmed rumours that we're quite fond of Lemina

MerseysideBrum · « **Reply #773 on:** March 12, 2018, 12:05:33 pm »

New APLT numbers:

City: 5 Stoke (A) Par 1 Win:7 Draw:5 Lose:4
United: -7
Liverpool: -12
Chelsea -11
Spurs: -11
Arsenal -22

Matchday 31 preview:

Only us playing due to the FA cup. We have a par 3 vs Watford (H)

farawayred · « **Reply #774 on:** March 12, 2018, 06:35:18 pm »

Funny how -12 is better than -11...

owens_2k · « **Reply #775 on:** March 13, 2018, 12:25:13 pm »

Seen something similar on twitter so decided to do my own for us. This was the most relevant thread

JCB · « **Reply #776 on:** March 13, 2018, 01:37:46 pm »

Relegation APLT: Week 30

BrandoLFC · « **Reply #777 on:** March 13, 2018, 04:08:26 pm »

Quote from: owens_2k on March 13, 2018, 12:25:13 pm

Seen something similar on twitter so decided to do my own for us. This was the most relevant thread

The first Watford game was away.

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #778 on:** March 13, 2018, 08:25:03 pm »

I was wondering why we had so many aways left.

Prof · « **Reply #779 on:** March 13, 2018, 09:54:24 pm »

sms1986 · « **Reply #780 on:** March 13, 2018, 09:57:57 pm »

Think Arsenal might find it a bit difficult to recover at this point!

drmick · « **Reply #781 on:** March 13, 2018, 10:58:26 pm »

Quote from: JCB on March 13, 2018, 01:37:46 pm

Relegation APLT: Week 30

What's interesting about these graphs is that Stoke and Soton are a bit stranded away from 17th, so it is showing a difference that the real table does not, sort of.

owens_2k · « **Reply #782 on:** March 14, 2018, 08:07:08 am »

Quote from: BrandoLFC on March 13, 2018, 04:08:26 pm

The first Watford game was away.

Knew there would be a mistake somewhere!

Prof · « **Reply #783 on:** March 14, 2018, 08:23:47 am »

Quote from: owens_2k on March 13, 2018, 12:25:13 pm

Seen something similar on twitter so decided to do my own for us. This was the most relevant thread

Thanks for this. I think it's a really useful graphic to show where we need to improve to take another step up. Those home matches against the top ten are particularly damaging.

JP-65 · « **Reply #784 on:** March 14, 2018, 08:25:51 am »

From the Results Comparison Thread

BassTunedToRed · « **Reply #785 on:** March 14, 2018, 09:01:12 am »

Quote from: owens_2k on March 13, 2018, 12:25:13 pm

Seen something similar on twitter so decided to do my own for us. This was the most relevant thread

Hope you didn't spend too long on this - it's available here:

http://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=18-liverpool

It's interesting to look at our form against the bottom 14... 1.77 points per game in 2015/16, 2.00 last season, and 2.38 this. Our record against the rest of the top six is obviously important, but in reality it's this form which will make or break a season.

MerseysideBrum · « **Reply #786 on:** March 14, 2018, 09:58:34 am »

If we lose to Chelsea and don't finish top 4 it's pretty justified considering we'll of then lost to the rest of the top 5 this season (all away) and only of beaten one, city at home.

Prof · « **Reply #787 on:** March 14, 2018, 07:43:22 pm »

Quote from: BassTunedToRed on March 14, 2018, 09:01:12 am

Hope you didn't spend too long on this - it's available here:

http://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=18-liverpool

It's interesting to look at our form against the bottom 14... 1.77 points per game in 2015/16, 2.00 last season, and 2.38 this. Our record against the rest of the top six is obviously important, but in reality it's this form which will make or break a season.

If anyone can be bothered and had the time... Can they post the results summary for the champions for the last few years please?

CHOPPER · « **Reply #788 on:** March 14, 2018, 08:03:51 pm »

Quote from: Prof on March 14, 2018, 07:43:22 pm

If anyone can be bothered and had the time... Can they post the results summary for the champions for the last few years please?

Those who won the most games, became champions.

Over the last few years.

Prof · « **Reply #789 on:** March 14, 2018, 09:44:56 pm »

Quote from: CHOPPER on March 14, 2018, 08:03:51 pm

Those who won the most games, became champions.

Over the last few years.

Maybe that's what we're doing wrong? Chopper, you need to give Klopp a call. Tell him we need to win more

zip · « **Reply #790 on:** March 15, 2018, 06:30:19 pm »

Arsenal's graph:

zuchum · « **Reply #791 on:** March 15, 2018, 06:40:20 pm »

Quote from: owens_2k on March 13, 2018, 12:25:13 pm

Seen something similar on twitter so decided to do my own for us. This was the most relevant thread

The Watford Home/Away fixtures are in the wrong place here. If we do beat Watford at the weekend, it'll be 4/10 wins at home.

Prof · « **Reply #792 on:** March 18, 2018, 07:34:08 am »

I don't think an update this week is particularly useful. I'll do an update after the next set of fixtures

Avens · « **Reply #793 on:** March 18, 2018, 07:55:58 am »

Quote from: MerseysideBrum on March 14, 2018, 09:58:34 am

If we lose to Chelsea and don't finish top 4 it's pretty justified considering we'll of then lost to the rest of the top 5 this season (all away) and only of beaten one, city at home.

Sorry, mate. It isn't just you and I swear I'm not a pedant, but this "of" thing is getting out of hand. It's "have".

People write "should of" because that's what "should've" sounds like. But it's should have, would have, could have. Or should've, would've, could've. We'll have, only have.

Of doesn't come close to making sense in any of these contexts and it's everywhere - especially on RAWK for some reason!

KurtVerbose · « **Reply #794 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:18:02 am »

Quote from: Avens on March 18, 2018, 07:55:58 am

Sorry, mate. It isn't just you and I swear I'm not a pedant, but this "of" thing is getting out of hand. It's "have".

People write "should of" because that's what "should've" sounds like. But it's should have, would have, could have. Or should've, would've, could've. We'll have, only have.

Of doesn't come close to making sense in any of these contexts and it's everywhere - especially on RAWK for some reason!

Shove have.

McSquared · « **Reply #795 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:25:01 am »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 18, 2018, 09:18:02 am

Shove have.

Or shove of, grammer poleese

KurtVerbose · « **Reply #796 on:** March 18, 2018, 09:37:26 am »

Quote from: McSquared on March 18, 2018, 09:25:01 am

Or shove of, grammer poleese

Sorry, that's what I should of wrote.

Avens · « **Reply #797 on:** March 18, 2018, 10:49:26 am »

Quote from: KurtVerbose on March 18, 2018, 09:37:26 am

Sorry, that's what I should of wrote.

Ohh you.

Prof · « **Reply #798 on:** March 18, 2018, 12:41:22 pm »

Quote from: Avens on March 18, 2018, 10:49:26 am

Ohh you.

I'm with you

I just don't pick people up because I make plenty of grammar errors, obviously because of typos

I do however pick up grammar errors in letters and reports sent home from my kids' school as that's just being helpful. Dear Miss X, please find enclosed some supportive feedback on your recent school report. Remember, think pink.

owens_2k · « **Reply #799 on:** March 19, 2018, 05:42:45 pm »

Quote from: BassTunedToRed on March 14, 2018, 09:01:12 am

Hope you didn't spend too long on this - it's available here:

http://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=18-liverpool

It's interesting to look at our form against the bottom 14... 1.77 points per game in 2015/16, 2.00 last season, and 2.38 this. Our record against the rest of the top six is obviously important, but in reality it's this form which will make or break a season.

Didnt take long but thanks for pointing out the origin of the first one I seen on twitter. Might need to delete mine before I get done for plagiarism!