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Liverpool Research & History.
« on: October 18, 2018, 09:43:08 am »
Couldn't find another thread on our city's past so here go's,fascinates me this stuff.

I'll start with what i think is the only archive of it's kind here..

Gore's directory in full.

https://archive.org/details/goresliverpooldi1860lond/page/n3

Please post any interesting links or stories etc regarding Liverpool's past.
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Re: Liverpool research.
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2018, 06:34:14 pm »
Thro Gores directory..if i have got my family tree right,my gt gt grandfather was a master mariner & hailed from Toxteth park.
Would probably never have known.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2018, 08:57:09 pm »
Nice one mate, thanks for that. Found my Great, Great, Grandad William in the list, he was a coal and salt agent.
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Re: Liverpool research.
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2018, 11:56:43 am »
Nice one mate, thanks for that. Found my Great, Great, Grandad William in the list, he was a salt agent.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2018, 12:55:53 pm »
Nice one mate, thanks for that. Found my Great, Great, Grandad William in the list, he was a coal and salt agent.

Saw Gore's directory mentioned on that Faulkner st house programme,never thought it would be available free to view..what a superb directory it is.
Me mrs's family go waaay back 4 or 500 years from the basic stuff i have done so far & could even have a royal connection too.
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Re: Liverpool research.
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2018, 01:10:14 pm »


Crew Lists of the British Merchant Navy


 http://1915crewlists.rmg.co.uk/#ytqzKeLtOYFQVQ7W.99
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 11:05:06 am »

Crew Lists of the British Merchant Navy


 http://1915crewlists.rmg.co.uk/#ytqzKeLtOYFQVQ7W.99

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Found a family member I don't think I've come across before, 19 yr old James, served as a trimmer on the Scandanavian. he must be a relative as we were the only family in Liverpool with our surname at that time. I have previously found great great uncles and grandads who were Marine Firemen.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2019, 09:17:45 am »
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Re: Liverpool Research & History.
« Reply #8 on: November 1, 2019, 04:44:39 pm »
Couldn't find another thread on our city's past so here go's,fascinates me this stuff.

I'll start with what i think is the only archive of it's kind here..

Gore's directory in full.

https://archive.org/details/goresliverpooldi1860lond/page/n3

Please post any interesting links or stories etc regarding Liverpool's past.

Interesting to notice the lack of Mc’s, O’s and only three Jones’s before the Irish Scottish and Welsh arrived en masse.
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Re: Liverpool Research & History.
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2019, 07:28:19 am »
Long & great read to be had here..

http://www.liverpoolparkspolice.co.uk/parks-police-history.htm

Wow as a kid in the late 70's I used to deliver milk to newsham House (Judges house at newsham park), I never knew Queen Victoria had stayed there.

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2020, 11:00:47 am »
Stumbled across what looks to be a very interesting read  here..briefly read some of it so far which certainly grabbed my attention & hopefully yours too.

The origins & development of association football in the Liverpool district 1879-1915

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://clok.uclan.ac.uk/9733/11/ThomasJohnPreston.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjtzJne1K3nAhVQTsAKHeNCDwoQFjASegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw0rH6sSY7w2KqLEcHatSI_Y&cshid=1580467671188

Hopefully got it right & will download as a pdf to read.

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Re: Liverpool Research & History.
« Reply #11 on: February 9, 2020, 04:50:21 pm »
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Re: Liverpool Research & History.
« Reply #12 on: February 9, 2020, 05:42:12 pm »
Lydiate street,Toxteth park.

Cant see the wood for the trees.. :(

http://www.archiuk.com/cgi-bin/build_nls_historic_map.pl?search_location=,%20Bootle,%20Merseyside&latitude=53.447611&longitude=-2.995215&password=freesearch@freesearch.com

Any help much appreciated  :wave

On that map it isn't marked, see attachment 1.

I've put a red mark as to where it was.

However, if you go to this 1890 map it is.

It's off Alt Street, four roads down from Beaumont Street which is just below and running parallel to Upper Parliament St.

I've marked it in red on attachment 2.

If you go to the 1890 link I put in above, you can get a better picture, I had to compress this screenshot to post it up.
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« Reply #13 on: February 9, 2020, 06:43:54 pm »
Gulley yer a star nice one mate.  :thumbup
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2020, 01:27:03 pm »
Gulley yer a star nice one mate.  :thumbup

Brilliant. Pleased for yer.
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2020, 11:01:18 am »
Local history fascinates me..long & brilliantly put together this.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Liverpool/
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Re: Liverpool Research & History.
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2020, 10:56:00 am »
I seem to remember the slur 'work'ouse' used referring to the low status of a person back in the 50's.

Anyone else?
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2020, 11:30:37 am »
I seem to remember the slur 'work'ouse' used referring to the low status of a person back in the 50's.

Anyone else?

Another slur was 'street corner boy'.

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Re: Liverpool Research & History.
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2020, 04:46:48 pm »
Not sure where to put this but I'm looking g for a bit of help.

Can anyone remember the name of a ropey old bar somewhere down round the bottom of Hanover Street? I was just a metal door in a wall and the inside wasn't much better. It was called Peter's something. It's been swirling round me noggin for days but with it being something like 40 years since I've been there, I can't remember it.

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2021, 12:39:11 pm »
I've been delving into my Grandma's side (Her mother was born in Liverpool in the late 1890's).

She spent most of her life in and around Bootle before moving to Bolton presumably when she met my great grandad and later had my Grandma.

Seems like her Dad was on the ship's and left Liverpool on the "Oregon" 23rd June 1893.

From there the ship sails to Bergen and Quebec and by 1901 his wife has re married. He just disappeared.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2021, 04:21:33 pm »
I've been delving into my Grandma's side (Her mother was born in Liverpool in the late 1890's).

She spent most of her life in and around Bootle before moving to Bolton presumably when she met my great grandad and later had my Grandma.

Seems like her Dad was on the ship's and left Liverpool on the "Oregon" 23rd June 1893.

From there the ship sails to Bergen and Quebec and by 1901 his wife has re married. He just disappeared.
Maybe he died in Canada - have you checked for a death record ?

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2021, 04:58:24 pm »
Maybe he died in Canada - have you checked for a death record ?

I've not found anything.

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2021, 05:46:26 pm »
Maybe he died in Canada - have you checked for a death record ?

I’ve often said i wonder how many men from Liverpool were sent out to the Far East and beyond during the Second World War and then  decided to stay in the location and met women there yet were just presumed dead.

As horrific as the war was going from a dull and miserable industrial city to seeing sunny tropical climes and a total different way of life must have appealed to many .

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2021, 06:33:54 pm »
I’ve often said i wonder how many men from Liverpool were sent out to the Far East and beyond during the Second World War and then  decided to stay in the location and met women there yet were just presumed dead.

As horrific as the war was going from a dull and miserable industrial city to seeing sunny tropical climes and a total different way of life must have appealed to many .

I'd be surprised if there were many. Maybe India, certainly not Burma which was a hell hole, disease, climate, fauna and Japanese trying to kill you.

I don't think there was much opportunity to form meaningful relationships with local girls.

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2021, 07:09:54 pm »
I've not found anything.
Is that anywhere or just UK ? I'm on Ancestry but only for UK & Ireland, so Canada would be a problem - but, if you haven't done already, I could do a search for you for the UK if you like, if you PM me the details ?

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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2021, 08:34:10 pm »
Lydiate street,Toxteth park.

Cant see the wood for the trees.. :(

http://www.archiuk.com/cgi-bin/build_nls_historic_map.pl?search_location=,%20Bootle,%20Merseyside&latitude=53.447611&longitude=-2.995215&password=freesearch@freesearch.com

Any help much appreciated  :wave

That map is amazing. I'm guessing pre 1917 as it has St James Place Station on it.
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2021, 08:53:19 pm »
Is that anywhere or just UK ? I'm on Ancestry but only for UK & Ireland, so Canada would be a problem - but, if you haven't done already, I could do a search for you for the UK if you like, if you PM me the details ?

I've not managed to find anything on ancestry for him. Could just be he never returned and there's no record.

I'm fairly certain his wife re married very quickly.

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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2021, 09:16:42 pm »
That map is amazing. I'm guessing pre 1917 as it has St James Place Station on it.
Yeah, think it's about 1913 - says at the top of page 1888 - 1913. I think there was an OS map of Liverpool in 1913 - this link is another good site for old maps.......

https://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/harvard/11505551

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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2021, 09:19:13 pm »
I've not managed to find anything on ancestry for him. Could just be he never returned and there's no record.

I'm fairly certain his wife re married very quickly.
No worries..........missing presumed dead ?!

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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2021, 07:46:20 am »
No worries..........missing presumed dead ?!

Yeah guess so. One thing you find is how quickly women had to move on back then

My great grandfather died at the Somme in 1916.

His wife had remarried and had two more kids in 4 years. But she was supporting three children of his who were 8, 7 and 5 at the time of his death.

Amazing the detail you can find that far back.

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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2021, 02:07:56 pm »
Yeah guess so. One thing you find is how quickly women had to move on back then

My great grandfather died at the Somme in 1916.

His wife had remarried and had two more kids in 4 years. But she was supporting three children of his who were 8, 7 and 5 at the time of his death.

Amazing the detail you can find that far back.
Oh, absolutely. My great uncle died on the Somme in 1916 too - but his wife had died in 1915 and they had 6 kids age range 14 to 1, who were all orphaned when he died. I've been to his grave on the Somme in 2016 for the centenary.......absolutely beautifully kept along with hundreds of others by the CWGC.

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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2021, 03:23:49 pm »
Yeah, think it's about 1913 - says at the top of page 1888 - 1913. I think there was an OS map of Liverpool in 1913 - this link is another good site for old maps.......

https://www.oldmapsonline.org/map/harvard/11505551

Cheers!  Lovely stuff. So weird looking back and seeing how much of the outskirts of the city were just fields and farms. My mum used to talk about how her dad would say when he was a kid the city basically stopped at Queen's Drive at Old Swan.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2021, 04:58:30 pm »
Oh, absolutely. My great uncle died on the Somme in 1916 too - but his wife had died in 1915 and they had 6 kids age range 14 to 1, who were all orphaned when he died. I've been to his grave on the Somme in 2016 for the centenary.......absolutely beautifully kept along with hundreds of others by the CWGC.

It's amazing. I'm not particularly patriotic in the "normal" sense but I've been on a few family trips with cousins to northern France, Belgium and Holland visiting various cemeteries and memorials.


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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2021, 06:10:17 pm »
It's amazing. I'm not particularly patriotic in the "normal" sense but I've been on a few family trips with cousins to northern France, Belgium and Holland visiting various cemeteries and memorials.


No, I agree, I'm not especially patriotic either - in fact I have Irish ancestry.....two great uncles buried on the Somme were Irish and fought for the British army. But, the war cemeteries and memorials are kept fantastic by the CWGC. They even re-face the headstones from time to time......were doing that on some when I was there in 2016.

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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2021, 04:36:32 pm »
No, I agree, I'm not especially patriotic either - in fact I have Irish ancestry.....two great uncles buried on the Somme were Irish and fought for the British army. But, the war cemeteries and memorials are kept fantastic by the CWGC. They even re-face the headstones from time to time......were doing that on some when I was there in 2016.

We could be related.

Found a relative on the other side buried in France so want to visit when I go back.

Incidentally found the sailor was definitely deceased by 1907 as his listed that way on a marriage certificate.

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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2021, 07:34:29 pm »
We could be related.

Found a relative on the other side buried in France so want to visit when I go back.

Incidentally found the sailor was definitely deceased by 1907 as his listed that way on a marriage certificate.
Well you never know ! Ah, nice one about your sailor relative - it's always satisfying when you solve a puzzle.

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2021, 02:57:40 pm »
I've been delving into my Grandma's side (Her mother was born in Liverpool in the late 1890's).

She spent most of her life in and around Bootle before moving to Bolton presumably when she met my great grandad and later had my Grandma.

Seems like her Dad was on the ship's and left Liverpool on the "Oregon" 23rd June 1893.

From there the ship sails to Bergen and Quebec and by 1901 his wife has re married. He just disappeared.

If he worked on the ships, there is always the possibility that he was on a vessel that sank. There are a few databases out there that docunent ship movements and/or shipwrecks if you have the vessel ID number. The Canadian records tend to be pretty decent in terms of arrivals/departures re: crew and passenger lists

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2021, 02:28:19 pm »
Had an interesting debate with some colleagues earlier, my work takes me about the place but I met some engineers who are all from Liverpool, they picked up on my accent quickly and were trying to decipher where in the City I'm from. I've not lived in Liverpool since I was a kid, and my formative years were spent in Wavertree, with small spells in Croxteth and Speke before we moved south into Cheshire. My Ma is from Halewood, which they were aligned in saying makes her a wool and posh. They told me I had a weird posh/scouse/wirrall (never lived there) accent hybrid, which is news to me and not how I often think about being perceived.

We ended up talking about what's still considered 'Scouse,' in the modern context. For me, it's always been the City Boundary and a few of the linked outlying areas - I've always considered my parents Scouse despite being from Halewood. I'd always said as far North as Fazakerley, east to Huyton, West to the river and South to Garston area. Interested to know thought and any historical context anyone could offer. It's quite important to me and my identity that I'm Scouse, that's what I consider myself even though I left the City aged 11 and am now nearly 30.
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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2021, 03:56:53 pm »
Had an interesting debate with some colleagues earlier, my work takes me about the place but I met some engineers who are all from Liverpool, they picked up on my accent quickly and were trying to decipher where in the City I'm from. I've not lived in Liverpool since I was a kid, and my formative years were spent in Wavertree, with small spells in Croxteth and Speke before we moved south into Cheshire. My Ma is from Halewood, which they were aligned in saying makes her a wool and posh. They told me I had a weird posh/scouse/wirrall (never lived there) accent hybrid, which is news to me and not how I often think about being perceived.

We ended up talking about what's still considered 'Scouse,' in the modern context. For me, it's always been the City Boundary and a few of the linked outlying areas - I've always considered my parents Scouse despite being from Halewood. I'd always said as far North as Fazakerley, east to Huyton, West to the river and South to Garston area. Interested to know thought and any historical context anyone could offer. It's quite important to me and my identity that I'm Scouse, that's what I consider myself even though I left the City aged 11 and am now nearly 30.

I'd go as far north as Bootle and include the Scouse diaspora in places like Huyton, Kirkby, Cantril Farm, Lee Park, Netherley but not Winsford or Skem.

For what it's worth. ;D

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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2021, 04:38:27 pm »
I'd go as far north as Bootle and include the Scouse diaspora in places like Huyton, Kirkby, Cantril Farm, Lee Park, Netherley but not Winsford or Skem.

For what it's worth. ;D
In my head, the M57 has always been the cut off to the East and for whatever arbitrary reason, I consider Garston Liverpool but not Speke! Yeah people from Skem are not Scousers in my eyes. Kirkby and Knowsley always felt like small towns outside of the City itself to me. Saying that, I've family born in the City but living in Maghull all their lives, they embody my interpretation of Scouser better than anyone I know, probably because they were my main link back to home once we moved South Chester way.

Was a bit of a culture shock to move from the City to a tiny rural village of less than 2,000 people. The High School I was meant to go in Liverpool originally was bigger than that I think!
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