Topic: Arsenal: Top of the divers league

[Tonyh8su]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/statement-supporters-banned-tragedy-chanting

good to see clubs doing something about it

Credit where it's due. Fair play, Arsenal.

[Terry de Niro]

Credit where it's due. Fair play, Arsenal.

Fair play indeed.

[Kalito]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/statement-supporters-banned-tragedy-chanting

good to see clubs doing something about it

This is exactly what Man Utd should be doing.

The fucking shithouses.

PS. Well done, Arsenal.

[Mahern]

Ahh sorry mate I thought you'd seen the article because you replied to it

Thats about Arsenal fans tragedy chanting.

Three arrests though, three times more than United last weekend. Does that mean only one United fan was doing it? No. And it doesn't mean only three Arsenal fans were either. It needs to start being treated like racist chanting and allocations cut or fans banned from games. Hopefully the FA start cracking down on the clubs who's fans think its appropriate.

I'm not sure you can have a go about Arsenal  over this. The club has acted, and thrown out some supporters for a lengthy period of time. If there are any other dickheads lurking among their fanbase, then this will make them think twice in future.

You've got Gooners in here telling you no place for this at their club, the club is acting (where others with far worse offenses don't), and now 3 less dickheads can pollute their fanbase on match day.

What's not to be applauded - proper club (still think Arteta is a wanker mind).

[Peabee]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/statement-supporters-banned-tragedy-chanting

good to see clubs doing something about it

Nice one.

[Redley]

I'm not sure you can have a go about Arsenal  over this. The club has acted, and thrown out some supporters for a lengthy period of time. If there are any other dickheads lurking among their fanbase, then this will make them think twice in future.

You've got Gooners in here telling you no place for this at their club, the club is acting (where others with far worse offenses don't), and now 3 less dickheads can pollute their fanbase on match day.

What's not to be applauded - proper club (still think Arteta is a wanker mind).

Who was having a go? Excellent that they've dealt with it, it was just North Bank saying that Arsenal don't do that when parts of their crowd clearly do. It needs stamping out completely rather than going 'Well we dont do it...oh three doesn't count'.

(Although the three year ban I dont think is a great look, surely you'd never want them back in your stadium?)

[Mahern]

Who was having a go? Excellent that they've dealt with it, it was just North Bank saying that Arsenal don't do that when parts of their crowd clearly do. It needs stamping out completely rather than going 'Well we dont do it...oh three doesn't count'.

(Although the three year ban I dont think is a great look, surely you'd never want them back in your stadium?)

a handful out of 60,000 clearly does back up what TNB is saying.....and yeah three doesn't count in that context. Or does one guy making monkey gestures at Anfield mean that in fact we do DO racism?

[Redley]

a handful out of 60,000 clearly does back up what TNB is saying.....and yeah three doesn't count in that context. Or does one guy making monkey gestures at Anfield mean that in fact we do DO racism?

Three got caught and banned.

[Mahern]

Three got caught and banned.

Right. So I'm confused now, Arsenal good or bad on this? Are you saying more were doing it, and Arsenal should have identified more than 3?

[Redley]

Right. So I'm confused now, Arsenal good or bad on this? Are you saying more were doing it, and Arsenal should have identified more than 3?

What's confusing?

Its good that they've banned people for doing it. But its still a thing there, and it'd be pretty surprising that just three people were doing it. There was what, one arrest from the United game? And we know there were far, far more than that at it. So I'd just be a little surprised that they managed to catch every single person doing it at Arsenal. Good going if that is the case but it'd be a little odd with how football crowds tend to be with chanting.

It doesn't need to be that tribalistic, it just needs cutting out period. Same goes for our fans. I'm just surprised there were Arsenal fans doing it, its not a club/fanbase I'd have ever expected to hear doing it. Maybe thats because we're rivals again for the first time in a long time and they think its an easy 'diss'. Great that they've dealt with it, but again shouldn't even be a thing to cross any normal persons mind. I'd praise someone like Brighton a bit more that they don't have to do anything about tragedy chanting because their fans don't do it, for example.

[Mahern]

But its still a thing there, and it'd be pretty surprising that just three people were doing it.

This line suggests you don't know that for a fact. What we do know, is that Arsenal are dealing with this very publicly, and we have comments on here from people who go to the Emirates and say Arsenal don't do tragedy chanting. And most on here I think agree with that, I have seen lots of praise for Arsenal in this respect.

What are your thoughts on my previous question: "Or does one guy making monkey gestures at Anfield mean that in fact we do DO racism?"

[Redley]

This line suggests you don't know that for a fact. What we do know, is that Arsenal are dealing with this very publicly, and we have comments on here from people who go to the Emirates and say Arsenal don't do tragedy chanting. And most on here I think agree with that, I have seen lots of praise for Arsenal in this respect.

What are your thoughts on my previous question: "Or does one guy making monkey gestures at Anfield mean that in fact we do DO racism?"

From 2012? Yeah awful, definitely something that needs stamping out (I assume it has been in the preceding 12 years as I'm not sure its happened again, has it?)

[Mahern]

From 2012? Yeah awful, definitely something that needs stamping out (I assume it has been in the preceding 12 years as I'm not sure its happened again, has it?)

Just as a thought experiment, let's say it's 2012. Does that one guy mean that Anfield does racism?

[Redley]

Just as a thought experiment, let's say it's 2012. Does that one guy mean that Anfield does racism?

I'm genuinely baffled at what point you're trying to make?

If there's one person at Anfield making monkey gestures then yes, that's a problem that as a club we'd need to eradicate (seemingly we have as I assume your example is the one from a decade ago?). Good on Arsenal for banning the culprits, bad that it even needed to happen. Not much deeper than that.

[Mahern]

It's pretty easy to see is it not?

You have challenged TNB's statement that Arsenal don't do tragedy chanting.
 

Baying for blood, singing about the dead, making fun of tragedies. Not for us.

Apparently it is.

Always thought Arsenal were better than that, such a shame but not a huge surprise.

Did Liverpool do racism (for clarity for you, at the time of the guy who got banned for monkey gestures)? By your logic, yes we did.

[The North Bank]

I was at that game and heard absolutely nothing, nor did i see anyone from Liverpool complain during or after. Im hoping it was our own fans who reported those 3 . There are c*nts among every fan base, im glad it was swiftly dealt with . I wouldn’t accept hearing it from someone seated near me.

[Redley]

It's pretty easy to see is it not?

You have challenged TNB's statement that Arsenal don't do tragedy chanting.
 
Did Liverpool do racism (for clarity for you, at the time of the guy who got banned for monkey gestures)? By your logic, yes we did.

Well yeah…clearly, think there were a couple of incidents in a pretty short amount of time in 2012. To my knowledge there’s been nothing since thank god, and good that Arsenal are trying to deal with the problem they have.

[Mahern]

Well yeah…clearly, think there were a couple of incidents in a pretty short amount of time in 2012. To my knowledge there’s been nothing since thank god, and good that Arsenal are trying to deal with the problem they have.

Yeah and we can agree on the latter, but really again, a couple of incidents didn't make racism our thing. Like a few dickheads doesn't make tragedy chanting Arsenal's thing. Both clubs acted swiftly, it stamps this out of any morons who still feel tempted, as we agree.

But my point - and this isn't about you personally - is in your wording of your original comment to TNB, tragedy chanting isn't Arsenal's thing, just like monkey chanting isn't ours. Just a handful of morons. I wouldn't have been happy if TNB and friends were on here in 2012 claiming monkey chanting is our thing, when it wasn't.

I didn't intend to needle you with this, I just thought it's worth making that distinction.

[Redley]

Yeah and we can agree on the latter, but really again, a couple of incidents didn't make racism our thing. Like a few dickheads doesn't make tragedy chanting Arsenal's thing. Both clubs acted swiftly, it stamps this out of any morons who still feel tempted, as we agree.

But my point - and this isn't about you personally - is in your wording of your original comment to TNB, tragedy chanting isn't Arsenal's thing, just like monkey chanting isn't ours. Just a handful of morons. I wouldn't have been happy if TNB and friends were on here in 2012 claiming monkey chanting is our thing, when it wasn't.

I didn't intend to needle you with this, I just thought it's worth making that distinction.

Who said it was ‘Arsenals thing’? This is all very confusing Mahern

[Mahern]

This guy.

Baying for blood, singing about the dead, making fun of tragedies. Not for us.

Apparently it is.

Always thought Arsenal were better than that, such a shame but not a huge surprise.

[newterp]

This guy.

That's doesn't say it's Arsenals "thing". That would mean they are known for it and do it all the time. 

The two things you quoted and then tried to turn into something that it wasn't deal with the idea that the Liverpool poster didn't think that happen at Arsenal at all.

You're the one that has twisted this around.

[Mahern]

That's doesn't say it's Arsenals "thing". That would mean they are known for it and do it all the time. 

The two things you quoted and then tried to turn into something that it wasn't deal with the idea that the Liverpool poster didn't think that happen at Arsenal at all.

You're the one that has twisted this around.

All I have done is given my understanding of how that came across to me. I haven't twisted anything, I even said above I have no wish to needle the guy. But "not for us" "apparently it is" is still a generalisation.

I hadn't intended to draw this out, so if there's genuinely nothing to see, there's nothing to see, and I'm just going to move on.

[Yorkykopite]

One bloke - an Arsenal fan - says "Making fun of tragedies is not for us."
Someone replies "Apparently it is".

I think the Arsenal fan is right. It's NOT something you expect at Arsenal. And when it happens their club acted promptly and justly - even though very few heard it. Well done. And credit where credit's due.

[Barneylfc∗]

Mo wasnt called up by Egypt, and Darwin never joined up with Uruguay.

And? We do it twice and now you think we're in the same boat as the likes of Arsenal and Abu Dhabi who do it every single international window?

[Redley]

And? We do it twice and now you think we're in the same boat as the likes of Arsenal and Abu Dhabi who do it every single international window?

No? Did you read the post I replied to…?

[Barneylfc∗]

No? Did you read the post I replied to…?

Yes. We need to start doing it.
If we're pulling players from Internationals in September, October and November, I'll consider that as us starting to do it.
1 player not going after he's had a long injury lay off, and another not going for a friendly against a side that isn't even a country isn't what I'd call us starting to do it.

[SamLad]

I’m not surprised Saka has pulled out injured. He has been scythed down about 136 times this season. I’ve seen it, he’s always on the deck crying in pain because of all the horrendous assaults on him.

when you have the pain threshold of a 3-year old .....

[JRed]

when you have the pain threshold of a 3-year old .....

Whinges and throws tantrums like a 3 year old too

[Tonyh8su]

Any sign of any of these cheats injuring themselves jumping on the ground this international break?

[JRed]

Any sign of any of these cheats injuring themselves jumping on the ground this international break?

Don’t they get injured in every game?

[The North Bank]

Jesus starts, big chance to resurrect his arsenal career

[Redley]

Must win today with all the injuries

[farawayred]

Jesus starts, big chance to resurrect his arsenal career

Nailed on.

[The G in Gerrard]

Jesus starts, big chance to resurrect his arsenal career

Playing as eggspected.

[PaulF]

Playing as eggspected.

Eggspect a lot from him on crosses.

[DelTrotter]

Mourinho missed a big opportunity there, just terrified of attacking v a team missing their keeper and defenders, pretty gutless.

Still not won a tough away game all season, which can happen, these are the toughest games after all but more worryingly for them they haven't even looked like doing so, they have no choice but to somehow buck that trend at Spurs if they are still in it then.

[Redley]

Crazy tactics from Arteta, can’t believe Arsenal fans can be happy with that. One of the most cowardly things I’ve seen, and against a shitload of injuries.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

28% possession. Absolute pansies.

[Baby Huey]

That was some weak arse effort from Arteta and Arsenal. Good stuff.

[tubby]

They were really open and high up there last season and got smashed, can't really blame them for playing for a point to keep them ahead of City.