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It's all a bit familiar
« on: February 26, 2009, 01:20:33 am »
The continent’s form team are waiting in the last 16 of the European Cup. They’re in fantastic form. Some people say it could be their year. But after 90 (and usually a 180 minutes but let’s not count that chicken just yet on this occasion) they’re left shaking their heads wondering what happened.

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"I can’t recall them ever playing this poor."

You’re probably familiar with those phrases and other similar ones by now. If you were watching Barcelona in 2007, Inter Milan in 2008 and now Real Madrid in 2009 you’re sure to have heard them. It’s a strange coincidence that keeps on occurring. Europe’s giants, her best teams, the ones in the most frightening of form… They all keep on coming unstuck.

World class players, coaches, teams and clubs come undone. Liverpool and Rafael Benitez - Kryptonite to European club football’s superpower’s.

It shouldn’t come as a shock any more but to those on the outside it still does. The unexplainable has occurred, and for the 3rd year on the spin. It must be pure luck or an unfortunate coincidence. The same mistakes keep on being repeated. Don’t these guys ever learn?

In 2007 it was the reigning champions, the mighty Barcelona. No team was going to beat them. They had too much going forward; they had too much in midfield. Ronaldinho, Messi, Deco, Eto’o, and Xavi – how was anyone meant to live with that, much less a team that just got hammered by Arsenal’s kids? How was a squad in disarray, with players who attacked each other meant to put up a fight? How they sniggered. Some didn’t even hide it and just laughed aloud.

What happened? I think you all know.

The two at each others throats the week before both scored, Liverpool won away at the Nou Camp doing for a second time what no other English team has managed even once.

Barcelona didn’t show up. They couldn’t pass the ball as crisply as normal. Their big players were void of ideas and invention. They looked tired, flustered and ultimately hopeless.

In 2008 it was Inter Milan, a repeat of the infamous 1965 semi-final. Inter Milan were coasting at the top of their domestic league. They were then as they are now the perennial Italian champions. These wouldn’t repeat the mistakes of Barcelona. Barcelona were on the way down, Inter Milan had the hunger. They were on their way up. Domestic monkey off their back it was now the time to show that their success had not just come off the back of Calciopoli and show that they were the best in Europe.

An unwise comment here, a display of petulance there and they were off. Dispatched from Europe in a manner that was almost becoming routine. They didn’t show up, they didn’t pass the ball as crisply as normal; their big players were void of ideas and invention. They looked tired, flustered and ultimately hopeless.

And here we are now in 2009. Half-way to doing the same once again. You all know how the script goes by now. It’s one of Europe’s big guns. Hell, this time it’s the biggest. They’re flying too. They’ve just won nine on the spin and only conceded two goals in that time. The only game they lost was to a Barcelona side widely regarded as the best in the world at present, and that was in Juande Ramos’ first game in charge domestically, away from home with a squad depleted by injuries. This Real Madrid team are steamrolling the opposition. They’ve scored ten goals in their last two games. They’d put six away before half time at the weekend. This time it’ll be different. This time Liverpool is in turmoil… which granted, they were in the two previous ties, but this one is different. Their luck has to run out eventually, doesn’t it?

Well, as it turns out, no.

Madrid are put away without Liverpool’s two best players even being on the pitch at the time the goal went in. Quite a feat for a side regarded as overly-reliant on just two players. Familiar echoes occur in the heads of Sky Sports esteemed commentators, presenters and analysts.

“They didn’t show up. They couldn’t pass the ball as crisply as normal. Their big players were void of ideas and invention. They looked tired, flustered and ultimately hopeless.”

Only at a few limited intervals over the last 3 years will you have heard why these teams didn’t show up. Why they struggled. Why passing the ball suddenly looked foreign to them... Turns out that it’s the opposition team. Liverpool. They’re fucking good.


It’s been taken for granted a lot recently, just where we are in the grand scheme of things. There are two teams who can realistically say they are better than us at the moment. The pisser is that one of them is in our league. The major pisser is that it’s them.

We’re not going to talk about them though. We’re going to talk about us. Because it isn’t getting said often enough at the moment how good we are. How far we’ve come climbing back up the mountain. And no, we’re not at the top yet. But just because we haven’t hit the summit quite yet, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look down through the clouds at the people who look like ants down below.

And tonight it hit home again. It wasn’t just beating Real Madrid without slipping out of 2nd gear. It was as much hearing Joe Cole talk about playing against Liverpool. Not about the kop or the atmosphere. About how when he’d look up there’d be red shirts everywhere. How there was no space. How difficult it was. You could tell he hated it. Respected just how good we were at it, but hated it none the less. He’s not the only one either. You don’t need an interview to know that it shook the shit out of Ronaldinho. It quickly changed Messi’s opinion to the point where now he goes out of his way to praise us. Kaká’s pointed it out as well. Robben did too. Sure, some lash out at the style of play, but it’s sheer frustration. It's anger because it stops them from doing what they want to do.

We’re not complete yet, everyone knows it and we all have pretty much the same idea on what the problem is. You can bet if we’ve noticed then Rafa has too. Whether he’ll go about correcting it in the way you or I would ideally see it bettered, who knows? He should get every chance possible to do so though.

We’re really not that far away and anyone who wants to call it a day now… Well I just can’t get my head around that. Some people need to remember just how good we are. Even with the draws, the perceived negative style of play, the lack of creativity and whatever else. Even without that the icing on top, this squad and this manager are still really good. We’re amongst the best three teams in Europe and, on a single day, perhaps the best. Some times we need reminding of that, especially when things have been going the way they have been recently. Thankfully there’ll always be another European away day to jog our memories and wet our appetites at what is to come in the last 3 months of the season.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 01:26:12 am »
good post.. puts a bit of perspective on things.

heres hoping we can take it all the way and continue to have teams that dont show up :D

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 01:28:21 am »
Absolute belter of a post Mr Loco.

This should be emailed to every Fleet Street journalist and all the doom-mongering pundits and ex-players.

Having said that, they will still never learn.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 01:30:42 am »
Great post we are argubaly one of the top 3 sides in europe with the mancs and barca, and the fact we can stop teams from playing  due to our astute manager how are they going to possibly win?

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 01:31:45 am »
Cracking post Juan, love it!

This could be the springboard that we need to turn the league around. The players and the staff must be over the fucking moon today. What better way to shut up the wankers than to ram it down their collective throats just how fucking good we are.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 01:31:52 am »
Fantastic stuff as always Juan.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 01:33:55 am »
Enjoyed that, thanks.

The reds are at it again  8)

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 01:36:01 am »
top post - well in

a shame that certain sections of the media seem to have an agenda, and will stick to it, regardless of what happens on the pitch.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2009, 01:38:00 am »
we never get the respect we deserve after results like this in europe, but long way to go on this tie yet.


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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2009, 01:41:52 am »
Shushhhhh, don't let them cop on, we are lucky, one/two man team, fluked the win, and will get knocked out.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2009, 01:47:38 am »
Absolutely wonderful post. Thank you.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2009, 01:48:44 am »
I'm spending quality time supporting my team...

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2009, 01:50:45 am »
What a fucking great post. Well in Juan Loco.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2009, 01:51:32 am »
A quality post. Almost as quality as our disciplined, controlling performance that made one of Europe's most in form sides look poor.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2009, 02:00:22 am »
Excellent post Juan Loco, and regarding the Joe Cole bit I always thought he was a bit of a twat, but Kudos to him tonight, I thought his comments were class..

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2009, 02:02:32 am »
Why arent the likes of you writing professionally, I`ll never know
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2009, 02:05:58 am »
Does this place have a *bow down to you* smiley?

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Turns out that it’s the opposition team. Liverpool. They’re fucking good.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2009, 02:08:23 am »
Does this place have a *bow down to you* smiley?




Excellent post Juan :wellin
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2009, 02:21:27 am »
Think I got a hard-on reading that.  Great post.

And I love that allusion to Paul Merson.  What a charlie uniform yada yada.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2009, 02:23:29 am »
Great piece Juan. We are  proud today, very proud. ;D

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2009, 02:36:36 am »
You could have added a few other teams to the list of paper tigers Rafa's dispatched over two legs in the Champions League. What was that really expensive bunch of mercenaries to be knocked out once or twice when people said we had no chance. ? I can't recall.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2009, 03:54:17 am »
Think I got a hard-on reading that.  Great post.

You think you did??? If you're not sure, you may wanna get that checked out. You may've been bitten by something  ;)
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2009, 03:58:23 am »
Let's have it.

Let's fucking have it.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2009, 04:13:34 am »
After reading juan locos post, I had to use my first post just to say how bloody quality it was.  What a win for the lads.  Yes i'm drunk but fucking, what else would make you as happy as this?! ;D

Could anyone tell me what Carragher said at full time? The pub I was in thought it would be a good idea to put Motown music on as soon as full time hit.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2009, 04:16:33 am »
Could anyone tell me what Carragher said at full time? The pub I was in thought it would be a good idea to put Motown music on as soon as full time hit.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=112969.msg5437033#msg5437033

Link is there. Who would think such a tough guy has such a high-pitched voice. Contrast with Fernando who looks angelic but has a voice a few octaves deeper than Carra's.
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 04:32:35 am »
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=112969.msg5437033#msg5437033

Link is there. Who would think such a tough guy has such a high-pitched voice. Contrast with Fernando who looks angelic but has a voice a few octaves deeper than Carra's.

Thanks for the link :)

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2009, 04:56:10 am »
You could have added a few other teams to the list of paper tigers Rafa's dispatched over two legs in the Champions League. What was that really expensive bunch of mercenaries to be knocked out once or twice when people said we had no chance. ? I can't recall.

Nah, he means top class team, not a bunch of rent boys.

still, top post and here's to more dismissals from all of them to us. Write us off at your own peril!!
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2009, 05:25:33 am »
As ever, you make good reading Juan Loco. After reading the latest guff from the pen of Darren Lewis of The Mirror, sanity is now restored.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2009, 05:32:04 am »
Fantastic spine-tingling post! Inspiring win last night.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2009, 05:35:45 am »
Top post.

We've had no problems with every single top team we've met this year. The positive side of me compares the team to an advanced student in a lower division class - they only perform well when challenged or placed under heavy pressure. The negative side is perplexed as to why they bring home a C- against Fulham.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2009, 05:38:15 am »
Lovely bit of writing that, Senor Loco. :)

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2009, 05:46:29 am »
the only english team NOT to score and the only english team not to win .... we are better than them with a better manager who has more intergity in his little toe than alex has in his whole body

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2009, 05:56:50 am »
I have to say that Rafa is unmatched in Europe. I am being serious. He has shown it time and time again, since his Valencia days. His only every mistake I remember is when his Valencia played Inter too attacking game. And they went out unfairly, Baraja and co missing 5-6 good chances. Since then, Rafa's teams have been cautious at the back and strong in midfield. And "lucky" in attack, in that sense that he knew Liverpool will score sooner or later.

Forget about Mourinho, who didn't do half as good job with squads regarded far better than Liverpool squad. Forget about Ferguson, who had good squad for last 12 or so years and delivered only twice. Forget about Wenger, who never delivers in Europe, and for past 5 years, he's worse than Benitez in England, too.

Benitez is a real master of Champions League footie. I believe in this so much that if Rafa is sacked from Liverpool (rumors you know), and goes back to Valencia or Atletico/Sevilla in Spain, I am confident he will build a Champions League contender side in a year or two. Fantastic manager.

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2009, 06:12:19 am »
Nice post mate, quality read. God i love this time of year

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2009, 08:19:02 am »
Excellent post thank you JL
I don't usually have much time for Martin Samuels - or the Mail - but his piece this morning is well worth the read.
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2009, 08:32:34 am »
Nice post mate, quality read. God i love this time of year

:D Me too, love it!
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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2009, 08:40:27 am »
Just crap. We should sack Rafa for playing this kind of football. Boring football. Sure, we've beaten Barca, Inter and Real at their peak but we can't even beat teams which should be playing in the championship. We're so utterly clueless about football it makes watching Arsenal better than sex. And I don't mind being sex'ed up by the unsexy football we play. God, I just love us

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2009, 08:42:09 am »
Great read mate  ... Glad to see their loads of us that think the same.

Love it ;)


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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2009, 08:53:33 am »
I only comment when I feel like I have to. but that article should be sent to every single journalist working for the so called top news papers.
I do find it hilarious when a man with probably an English or journalist degree is telling people who have been involved in the game of football for forty years how to manage a football club. Even ex professionals who work in the game who have not performed at a European or world level describe how a manager should do this and this player should do that. Players such as Andy Townsend, Robbie Earl, Mark Bright even Paul "I hate Liverpool" Merson.
They should all express an informal oppion, but all I ask for is don't be lazy journalists and use poor research sources, that includes that Chris Bascombe. I will leave my post in that if a group of people ever doubt Liverpool, they will be left Red Faced, just how we like it!

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Re: It's all a bit familiar
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2009, 10:31:45 am »
Great post ! !
Thanks for that mate
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