Author Topic: Suarez and Liverpool FC (Read 70584 times)

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #480 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:50:05 pm »

Quote from: Haemoglobin on June 25, 2014, 05:49:15 pm

Bit dramatic to move the whole club somewhere else

Or maybe Anfield Ed is saying he's going to support another club?

tommy LFC · « **Reply #481 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:51:04 pm »

Quote from: Anfield Ed on June 25, 2014, 05:45:15 pm

I disagree, Our name and reputation in the game is far more important than one player - however great he is and by Suarez keeping on doing these things it will only tar us together - even if he does it in an Uruguayan shirt.

How many chances do we keep giving him?

I am just so disappointed in him. So it may be time for pastures new for both of us.

Did the Evra thing really affect our "name and reputation"? What about the Ivanovic thing?

Were people ripping up their season tickets? Were we not heavily supported on the tour of Asia and Australia? Did our sponsorship revenue not continue to grow at a huge rate?

CraigDS · « **Reply #482 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:51:13 pm »

Quote from: Anfield Ed on June 25, 2014, 05:45:15 pm

I disagree, Our name and reputation in the game is far more important than one player - however great he is and by Suarez keeping on doing these things it will only tar us together - even if he does it in an Uruguayan shirt.

How exactly is it having an effect on us out of interest?

I mean he bit someone before he joined us, got done for the Evra issue, and bit someone whilst playing for us... has the club regressed in anyway since he has been here? Lacked commercial growth?

Haemoglobin · « **Reply #483 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:51:59 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on June 25, 2014, 05:50:05 pm

Or maybe Anfield Ed is saying he's going to support another club?

He'll have to change his name by deed poll and everything!

Clint Eastwood · « **Reply #484 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:53:12 pm »

I don't give a shit who he bites.

KiNki · « **Reply #485 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:53:55 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on June 25, 2014, 05:51:04 pm

Did the Evra thing really affect our "name and reputation"? What about the Ivanovic thing?

Were people ripping up their season tickets? Were we not heavily supported on the tour of Asia and Australia? Did our sponsorship revenue not continue to grow at a huge rate?

No such thing as bad publicity.

Everyone loves a bad boy.

MerseyParadise · « **Reply #486 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:54:44 pm »

We exist to win trophies , did you copy an paste that off the official site?

Ask reds of a certain vintage , it's the Mickey Mouse cup.

It's a good day out , but the league is our bread an butter. And if we wasn't as hungry that cup would be a piss up an a sing song then onto the proper business

Anyway back to Suarez

firing squad · « **Reply #487 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:55:01 pm »

Quote from: just Craig? on June 25, 2014, 05:51:13 pm

How exactly is it having an effect on us out of interest?

I mean he bit someone before he joined us, got done for the Evra issue, and bit someone whilst playing for us... has the club regressed in anyway since he has been here? Lacked commercial growth?

exactly, people are seriously blowing this waaaay out of proportion around here.

NEWSFLASH: Apart from the British media, no one actually gives a flying fuck about it. They reported it yesterday as it happened and that's it. The WC goes on, no one cares.

The only people that do care are the English press because now they don't have to talk about the worst England since 1958 being managed by a dinosaur with 65 million years of experience.

Also, there's 20 days of World Cup still to go, no one will even remember this by the end of it.

Beninger · « **Reply #488 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:55:20 pm »

Quote from: KiNki on June 25, 2014, 05:53:55 pm

No such thing as bad publicity.

Everyone loves a bad boy.

Doing something daft once a year might keep Real Madrid away though!

please, I have my reasons for it but... · « **Reply #489 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:55:33 pm »

Anybody wants Suarez sold can fuck off. Mancs didn't sell Cantona when he kicked a fan and got suspended for 10 months, didn't do them any bad.

BeautifulGame91 · « **Reply #490 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:56:45 pm »

Suarez Lawyer

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"There is a possibility that they ban him, because there are precedents, but we're convinced that it was an absolutely casual play, because if Chiellini can show a scratch on one shoulder, Suarez can show a bruised and almost shut eye," Balbi said.

"If every player starts showing the injuries he suffers and they open inquiries for them everything will be way too complicated in the future. We're going to use all the arguments possible so that Luis gets out in the best possible way."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/football/fifa-world-cup-2014/top-stories/Fifa-World-Cup-2014-England-Italy-campaigning-against-Suarez-lawyer-says/articleshow/37198131.cms

Seems like their defense is the bite was an accidental collision and not intentional.

Fifa’s independent disciplinary committee is expected to meet after 5pm tonight local time (9pm BST), the deadline Uruguay and Suárez have been given to provide evidence and witness statements to make their position clear.Will know whatever punishment very soon i suppose.

El Lobo · « **Reply #491 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:57:47 pm »

Quote from: Beninger on June 25, 2014, 05:55:20 pm

Doing something daft once a year might keep Real Madrid away though!

Nah, because they know there's no such thing as bad publicity too.

Butter Keks · « **Reply #492 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:58:51 pm »

Quote from: MerseyParadise on June 25, 2014, 05:54:44 pm

We exist to win trophies , did you copy an paste that off the official site?

Ask reds of a certain vintage , it's the Mickey Mouse cup.

It's a good day out , but the league is our bread an butter. And if we wasn't as hungry that cup would be a piss up an a sing song then onto the proper business

Anyway back to Suarez

33 you are and you're banging on about the league being our bread and butter. If you aren't on a wind up then it might be time you woke up, jumped out of your time machine and stopped posting like you are a man who has seen it all countless times before.

tommy LFC · « **Reply #493 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:02:28 pm »

Quote from: Butter Keks on June 25, 2014, 05:58:51 pm

33 you are and you're banging on about the league being our bread and butter. If you aren't on a wind up then it might be time you woke up, jumped out of your time machine and stopped posting like you are a man who has seen it all countless times before.

I enjoyed that, well played good sir.

Bird Bird Bird The Bird Is The Word · « **Reply #494 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:04:05 pm »

This incident and the last incident with Ivanovic are beautiful examples of how fucking thick people are, and I'm not talking about Suarez.

My Brass Eye senses are tingling.

MerseyParadise · « **Reply #495 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:08:39 pm »

Quote from: Butter Keks on June 25, 2014, 05:58:51 pm

33 you are and you're banging on about the league being our bread and butter. If you aren't on a wind up then it might be time you woke up, jumped out of your time machine and stopped posting like you are a man who has seen it all countless times before.

Did you buy a Carling cup winners T shirt from the official site?

iv not since 1990 and I was too young to enjoy it proper then hence, that's why I said reds of a certain vintage.

seal75 · « **Reply #496 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:10:49 pm »

This incident will work in our favour in some ways. Our chances to keep him next season have increased a big bit !

MerseyParadise · « **Reply #497 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:14:53 pm »

Quote from: PhaseOfPlay on June 25, 2014, 05:02:13 pm

We went from 7th to second with an outside chance of winning the league on the last day. Largely because of his goals.

I don't have issue with you thinking he should be moved on. Everyone is entitled to that opinion or a contrary one.

What I take issue with is this idea that Shanks and Paisley and Fagan would not have tolerated it, and kicked him out of the club.

I propose that they would be severely pissed off with him, but be realistic about what he offers the team, and the fact that his indiscretions are all on-field and not off-field.

As Shankly said - "If I was playing against my wife, I'd break her legs. But I wouldn't cheat her".

I daresay he would take a similar view on Suarez. There's a lot of moral relativism in football.

Having a manager who has coached and improved our players beyond beliefe is what I attribute to our astonishing improvement. Suarez's goals added to that.

Re Shanks, he had a deep mistrust of foreigners and went to blackpool on his holidays. He may have gone into an honest 50/50 with his wife and broke her leg (as ludicrous it is to write that) but sneaking up behind her and biting her then rolling round on the floor pretending he had been nutted?

An before you start butterkeks, no I havnt got a time machine and went back and seen shanks and asked him I seen that he mistrusted foriegners on the telly

Lord Roger Hunt · « **Reply #498 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:14:55 pm »

It wasn’t as if Suarez bit a child, say experts

25-06-14

EXPERTS have stressed that Luis Suarez bit a large Italian footballer and not a tiny child.

With many calling for the Uruguayan striker to be jailed, doctors said Suarez’s victim had already made a full recovery, despite pretending to be dead.

Sports injury specialist, Dr Martin Bishop, said: “The key difference between biting an opponent and going in hard with your studs up is that biting them is much, much more interesting.

“The actual biting injury is usually pretty mild. Mr Suarez is a medium-sized Uruguayan, not a Sumatran tiger.”

Dr Bishop added: “If Mr Suarez had ran towards the crowd, grabbed a small child and bit it on the face, then yes, you want the police involved at that point.

“But, as far as I understand, Mr Suarez has no desire to bite infants. He just wants to bite large professional footballers. Preferably Italian.

“Despite what Alan Shearer may tell you, that’s perfectly normal.”

Meanwhile, many fans have welcomed the incident and called on Fifa to legalise biting on a trial basis.

Stephen Malley, from Peterborough, said: “There is something dark and primal about it which I find utterly irresistible.

“Give both teams 10 bites each. And it has to be below the waist.”

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/it-wasnt-as-if-suarez-bit-a-child-say-experts-2014062587976

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #499 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:19:42 pm »

Quote from: MerseyParadise on June 25, 2014, 06:14:53 pm

Having a manager who has coached and improved our players beyond beliefe is what I attribute to our astonishing improvement. Suarez's goals added to that.

Re Shanks, he had a deep mistrust of foreigners and went to blackpool on his holidays. He may have gone into an honest 50/50 with his wife and broke her leg (as ludicrous it is to write that) but sneaking up behind her and biting her then rolling round on the floor pretending he had been nutted?

An before you start butterkeks, no I havnt got a time machine and went back and seen shanks and asked him I seen that he mistrusted foriegners on the telly

So you're saying Suarez sneaked up behind Chiellini, like some dastardly cartoon villain, and had a vampiric nibble on Chiellini's blood-filled scapula?

Contrary to all visual evidence, like.

Eeyore · « **Reply #500 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:20:46 pm »

There are a couple of things i cannot get my head around regarding this situation. Firstly what happened to innocent until proven guilty. For me Suarez has already been hung drawn and quartered in a pretty despicable example of trial by media. Shouldn't we be waiting and finding out what the actual evidence is before we prejudge the issue. What I have seen upto now is pretty inconclusive.

Secondly what happened to our ethos of us being a family. If and for me it still an if Luis has done something wrong then what happened to rallying around and supporting each other through the hard times. We are all human and we all mistakes and if Luis has made one then for me we should be rallying around him and supporting him. That doesn't mean trying to be tribalistic and looking to defend the indefensible but acknowledging that we all make mistakes from time to time but you have to recover from those mistakes.

In my twenties I frequently did things that were wrong and things that I am not proud of and would hazard a guess that the people who are so quick to condemn Luis probably did the same. It's not about the mistakes you make in life but how you react to them that counts.

Why not stick to together ride out the storm and lets see how it pans out.

MerseyParadise · « **Reply #501 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:21:42 pm »

was he behind him? did he bite him ?

yes to the first one , maybe to the second.

SlowRap · « **Reply #502 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:22:20 pm »

Quote from: just Craig? on June 25, 2014, 11:36:36 am

For me, it is obvious Suarez has a mental issue where he lashes out in this way for whatever reason.

He isn't constantly diving in with two feet, throwing elbows, or constantly diving in late into tackles - which to me is a deliberately dirty player. He is acting on impulse and without thinking.

For that reason I think he needs help. Yes he needs a ban for what he has done, but he needs the club and it's fans to support him in getting his head around this mental issue he has.

BTW - this view would go if it was for the clubs current best player, or a squad player. He need's help, and hopefully the club continues to give it.

Agree with this, he clearly needs help and a proper diagnosis.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #503 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:23:01 pm »

Quote from: tommyLFC on June 25, 2014, 05:34:00 pm

But his legal representative, Alejandro Balbi - also a Uruguay FA board member - went further in attempting to absolve the forward of blame and suggested a conspiracy was at play.

"We don't have any doubts that this has happened because it's Suarez and secondly because Italy was eliminated," Balbi said.

"There's a lot of pressure from England and Italy. We're polishing off a defence argument."

"There is a possibility that they ban him, because there are precedents, but we're convinced that it was an absolutely casual play, because if Chiellini can show a scratch on one shoulder, Suarez can show a bruised and almost shut eye," Balbi added.

"If every player starts showing the injuries he suffers and they open inquiries for them, everything will be way too complicated in the future. We're going to use all the arguments possible so that Luis gets out in the best possible way.

"You shouldn't forget that we're rivals of many and we can be for the organiser (hosts Brazil) in the future. This does not go against what might have happened, but there's no doubt that Suarez is a rock in the shoe for many."

And if that doesn't sadly sum up lawyers these days.

I have purposely stayed out of this, until I was pretty sure. Having seen the pictures now it pretty undeniable. My biggest fear is if he has done three times he can do it a fourth time as well. The club once Suarez is back really have to take a lead in this. He needs help, otherwise god knows what might happen in the middle of season when every opposition player and fan will be trying to get a rise out of him.

I have been quite disappointed with his reaction to it as well, he would of been better off admitting what he did, rather than sitting there and shrugging it off as a footballing incident. He has bitten the player, admit it and take the punishment, and hopefully once back here we can get him some help. The comments of his lawyer will do him no good long term sadly.

Gainsbarre · « **Reply #504 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:25:15 pm »

Well, at least no one talks now that he'll be off to Barça...

I hope any ban is not applied at club level. Make him say he's going to see some psychiatrists (and actually do it) and then we could look for the next season.

royhendo · « **Reply #505 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:25:33 pm »

Are yous not bored? Wait for the judgement. And enough with the moral rectitude bollocks. I didn't hear much of that after Norwich home last season.

SlowRap · « **Reply #506 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:25:33 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 25, 2014, 06:20:46 pm

What I have seen upto now is pretty inconclusive.

Really?

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Dw-Sr48IMqY?version=3&amp;hl=en_GB" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Dw-Sr48IMqY?version=3&amp;hl=en_GB</a>

PhaseOfPlay · « **Reply #507 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:26:01 pm »

Quote from: MerseyParadise on June 25, 2014, 06:21:42 pm

was he behind him? did he bite him ?

yes to the first one , maybe to the second.

You're definitely on a wind-up.

The fact that your username is named after a song that reportedly took the piss out of the city of Liverpool as well leads me to believe you are not on the level.

Lenin. · « **Reply #508 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:27:10 pm »

Quote from: Cantona on June 25, 2014, 05:20:00 pm

True, when he is stood stationery though I think a sort of madness envelopes him.

Ooh, listen to his nibs.

rob1408 · « **Reply #509 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:29:42 pm »

Quote from: SlowRap on June 25, 2014, 06:25:33 pm

Really?

You see, I personally think he done it, but Al is right, while that video looks bad, it doesn't definitively prove a bite, just a coming together.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #510 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:30:03 pm »

Quote from: royhendo on June 25, 2014, 06:25:33 pm

Are yous not bored? Wait for the judgement. And enough with the moral rectitude bollocks. I didn't hear much of that after Norwich home last season.

at least we will know before Saturday.....

Could be any punishment from FIFA ... Two games to two years....

Hazell · « **Reply #511 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:30:10 pm »

Quote from: SlowRap on June 25, 2014, 06:25:33 pm

Really?

Bigmouth Strikes Again

RedPat · « **Reply #512 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:30:45 pm »

Quote from: Gainsbarre on June 25, 2014, 06:25:15 pm

Well, at least no one talks now that he'll be off to Barça...

I hope any ban is not applied at club level. Make him say he's going to see some psychiatrists (and actually do it) and then we could look for the next season.

if FIFA try to apply a domestic ban it's straight off to the court of arbitration for sport.

MerseyParadise · « **Reply #513 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:31:19 pm »

If Christian Poulsen bit someone (they would have to be slow) at the euros when he played for us , would we give a fuck?

This debate is only happening because it is Suarez and we watch him , and we love him and we go the game waiting until he does something .

But the lads a crank, a proper proper crank. But should we back him? Deep down we wonder if he could win us the league , the actual league that's its been so long since we have won. And that I think is part of it , we are closer than we have been for ages, an without him it might not happen

TepidT2O · « **Reply #514 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:32:20 pm »

Here's a question...

If a player is injured whilst playing international football, the club receives compensation from the countries FA.

Would the same happen here if he gets a big ban?

Would make sense wouldn't it?

SlowRap · « **Reply #515 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:35:03 pm »

Quote from: rob1408 on June 25, 2014, 06:29:42 pm

You see, I personally think he done it, but Al is right, while that video looks bad, it doesn't definitively prove a bite, just a coming together.

Ok it looks like a bite, he has bitten people before, the defender has bite marks on his shoulder and Suarez looked absolutely gutted after the final whistle - clearest indication of his guilt, he's like a child really. Seriously think we should get him assessed and get him some help.

The wider issue with this is that he let Ajax down, let us down but he's never let his country down until this. Maybe this'll finally be the trigger to stop and make him think.

Chakan · « **Reply #516 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:35:22 pm »

Quote from: MerseyParadise on June 25, 2014, 06:31:19 pm

If Christian Poulsen bit someone (they would have to be slow) at the euros when he played for us , would we give a fuck?

This debate is only happening because it is Suarez and we watch him , and we love him and we go the game waiting until he does something .

But the lads a crank, a proper proper crank. But should we back him? Deep down we wonder if he could win us the league , the actual league that's its been so long since we have won. And that I think is part of it , we are closer than we have been for ages, an without him it might not happen

As opposed to that fake league?

elpistolero7 · « **Reply #517 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:35:57 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 25, 2014, 06:20:46 pm

There are a couple of things i cannot get my head around regarding this situation. Firstly what happened to innocent until proven guilty. For me Suarez has already been hung drawn and quartered in a pretty despicable example of trial by media. Shouldn't we be waiting and finding out what the actual evidence is before we prejudge the issue. What I have seen upto now is pretty inconclusive.

Secondly what happened to our ethos of us being a family. If and for me it still an if Luis has done something wrong then what happened to rallying around and supporting each other through the hard times. We are all human and we all mistakes and if Luis has made one then for me we should be rallying around him and supporting him. That doesn't mean trying to be tribalistic and looking to defend the indefensible but acknowledging that we all make mistakes from time to time but you have to recover from those mistakes.

In my twenties I frequently did things that were wrong and things that I am not proud of and would hazard a guess that the people who are so quick to condemn Luis probably did the same. It's not about the mistakes you make in life but how you react to them that counts.

Why not stick to together ride out the storm and lets see how it pans out.

What this fella said. Sense innit.

CraigDS · « **Reply #518 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:37:46 pm »

Quote from: Al 555 on June 25, 2014, 06:20:46 pm

There are a couple of things i cannot get my head around regarding this situation. Firstly what happened to innocent until proven guilty. For me Suarez has already been hung drawn and quartered in a pretty despicable example of trial by media. Shouldn't we be waiting and finding out what the actual evidence is before we prejudge the issue. What I have seen upto now is pretty inconclusive.

Secondly what happened to our ethos of us being a family. If and for me it still an if Luis has done something wrong then what happened to rallying around and supporting each other through the hard times. We are all human and we all mistakes and if Luis has made one then for me we should be rallying around him and supporting him. That doesn't mean trying to be tribalistic and looking to defend the indefensible but acknowledging that we all make mistakes from time to time but you have to recover from those mistakes.

Whilst I don't totally agree with the first para, the second is spot on.

oldfordie · « **Reply #519 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:38:10 pm »

There have been many nasty intentional leg breaking tackles over the years. tackles that are full of malice yet they have not received the publicity Suarez bite has had today. the bite was not really dangerous it was just so shocking, it's more disgusting than dangerous. I still remember being just as disgusted when Frank Riykaard spat in Ruddy Vollers face in a WC game.
Suarez may have suffered worse physically yet he will get the abuse, there is no defending his actions and he deserves an international ban, he should also be forced to go to counselling. if he holds his hand up and admits what he did was disgraceful and acknowledge he needs help then he needs support.
If he continues to deny and refuse to accept he has done nothing wrong then he doesn't deserve support from his fans.