Author Topic: Ban Vaping (Read 3329 times)

Problem is, we won't find out until hundreds of thousands, maybe millions have been affected. I was doing an ADR course the other week and the instructor mentioned vaping in the context of how we come up with these inventions that are not thoroughly tested and cause chronic conditions. PVC, Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), chlorine in swimming pools, asbestos - all things that we thought were great with we subsequently found as being either highly toxic or caused chronic problems.

Vaping should be banned in cars, solely due to the smoke, you can already be done for due care and attention

Sir Capon of Debaser · « **Reply #13 on:** October 5, 2019, 10:01:25 am »

Quote from: rob1966 on October 5, 2019, 07:26:42 am

Everton fans are the worst

Dr. Beaker · « **Reply #14 on:** October 5, 2019, 10:46:11 am »

Can't see the point of Dracula films.

thejbs · « **Reply #15 on:** October 5, 2019, 10:55:09 am »

Quote from: rob1966 on October 5, 2019, 09:05:18 am

Problem is, we won't find out until hundreds of thousands, maybe millions have been affected. I was doing an ADR course the other week and the instructor mentioned vaping in the context of how we come up with these inventions that are not thoroughly tested and cause chronic conditions. PVC, Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), chlorine in swimming pools, asbestos - all things that we thought were great with we subsequently found as being either highly toxic or caused chronic problems.

Vaping should be banned in cars, solely due to the smoke, you can already be done for due care and attention

In cars, defo. It’s clearly a hazard. But generally you don’t see people vaping indoors in public so it’s regulated much like smoking. If you want to ban vaping, you’d have to ban smoking too.*

*i don’t smoke or vape btw.

rob1966 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 5, 2019, 01:06:26 pm »

Quote from: thejbs on October 5, 2019, 10:55:09 am

In cars, defo. It’s clearly a hazard. But generally you don’t see people vaping indoors in public so it’s regulated much like smoking. If you want to ban vaping, you’d have to ban smoking too.*

*i don’t smoke or vape btw.

My worry and the point our instructor was making is that there haven't been any long term studies on any potential harmful effects. I'm not thinking of the likes of me who don't smoke, but those who vape and switched from the fags in the belief that they were safer. The vaper is still exposed to nicotine, the larger vapes produce as much formaldahyde as ciggies. The mother in law switched to vaping and sat there in the house vaping in front of the grandkids, I see parents in cars on the school run in clouds of smoke covering the kids.

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #17 on:** May 3, 2023, 02:48:04 am »

Not banning but a major increase in how they are regulated.

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Australia to ban recreational vaping in major public health move

Recreational vaping will be banned in Australia, as part of a major crackdown amid what experts say is an "epidemic".

Minimum quality standards will also be introduced, and the sale of vapes restricted to pharmacies.

Nicotine vapes already require a prescription in Australia, but the industry is poorly regulated and a black market is thriving.

Health Minister Mark Butler says the products are creating a new generation of nicotine addicts in Australia.

Also known as e-cigarettes, vapes heat a liquid - usually containing nicotine - turning it into a vapour that users inhale. They are widely seen as a product to help smokers quit.

But in Australia, vapes have exploded in popularity as a recreational product, particularly among young people in cities.

"Just like they did with smoking... 'Big Tobacco' has taken another addictive product, wrapped it in shiny packaging and added sweet flavours to create a new generation of nicotine addicts," Mr Butler said in a speech announcing reforms on Tuesday.

"We have been duped."

Vapes are considered safer than normal cigarettes because they do not contain harmful tobacco - the UK government is even handing them to some smokers for free in its "swap to stop" programme.

But health experts advise that vapes are not risk-free - they can often contain chemicals - and the long-term implications of using them are not yet clear.

The Australian government argues they are a public health threat, disproportionately affecting young people, many of whom haven't smoked before.

Research suggests one in six Australians aged 14-17 years old has vaped, and one in four people aged 18-24.

"Only 1 in 70 people my age has vaped," said Mr Butler, who is 52.

He said the products are being deliberately targeted at kids and are readily available "alongside lollies and chocolate bars" in retail stores.

He added that vaping had become the "number one behavioural issue" in high schools. Some have begun installing vape detectors in bathrooms, Australian media have reported.

The health minister said the federal government would work with state and territory governments on potential penalties for possession of e-cigarettes unless they had been prescribed.

Reforms toughen already strict rules

Australia already has some of the strongest anti-smoking laws in the world. Mr Butler on Tuesday compared the new vape reforms to those used to reduce cigarette smoking in Australia to one of the lowest levels among advanced countries.

The reforms include a ban on all disposable vapes and a crackdown on the import of non-prescription products.

Scripts will be necessary for the vaping products that remain legal, and they will be required to have pharmaceutical-like packaging. Restrictions on flavours, colours, nicotine concentrations and other ingredients will also be introduced.

"No more bubble-gum flavours, pink unicorns or vapes disguised as highlighter pens for kids to hide them in their pencil cases," Mr Butler said.

However he said the government will also make it easier for people to get a prescription for "legitimate therapeutic use".

A timeline for implementation will be announced at a later date.

A handful of other countries, like Singapore and Thailand, have also banned vaping and Australia's medicines regulator - the Therapeutic Goods Administration - has been recommending reform.

The Cancer Council said the changes could "reverse the e-cigarette epidemic and prevent history repeating itself for a new generation of Australians".

But some politicians, industry bodies and health professionals say Australia should be relaxing its laws.

National Party leader David Littleproud has previously argued the country should emulate New Zealand's approach and regulate nicotine vapes much like cigarettes. Others have expressed concern harsher restrictions could see more people turn to the unregulated illegal market.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65446352

Zlen · « **Reply #18 on:** May 3, 2023, 07:51:43 am »

I don’t think it’s Big Tobacco profiting from vaping. They are mostly peddling the heated tobacco kits as their alternative to vaping.

It’s good to regulate production and quality of liquids. Also probably good to ban disposable kits for environmental impact alone. Not sure what they might achieve by banning flavours, it’s just a preference for people. It’s how flavours are delivered that is the problem. If you’re only selling big bottles and kits instead of disposable plug n smoke devices - you’ve already eliminated a lot of youth from trying. It won’t be as practical or easy or cheap or cool to get into vaping.

CheshireDave · « **Reply #19 on:** May 3, 2023, 08:09:59 am »

Ban won't be happening here any time soon. Especially as the goverment are planning to give away a million vape kits.

Mexico, Thailand (Nothing to do with TOAT (Thai state enterprise and the sole legal entity permitted to produce tobacco products in the country) of course), Singapore to name three countries have banned the sale and use of vapes and all it has done is created a black market.

If Australia are going to ban vapes, will they be banning cigerettes too?

Sudden Death Draft Loser · « **Reply #20 on:** May 3, 2023, 12:13:46 pm »

Yea because prohibition always works and never creates problems

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #21 on:** May 3, 2023, 12:34:37 pm »

Quote from: CheshireDave on May 3, 2023, 08:09:59 am

Ban won't be happening here any time soon. Especially as the goverment are planning to give away a million vape kits.

Mexico, Thailand (Nothing to do with TOAT (Thai state enterprise and the sole legal entity permitted to produce tobacco products in the country) of course), Singapore to name three countries have banned the sale and use of vapes and all it has done is created a black market.

If Australia are going to ban vapes, will they be banning cigerettes too?

We're banning unregulated imports and making sure that plain packaging and no/minimal flavours are implemented. They're supposed to be for people coming off cigarettes not as a new drug.

As for banning cigarettes, it's now $49 (£26) for a pack of 25. The new government has just implemented a 5% increase pa for the next 3-years. They're pricing people out of them. While also increasing revenue.

I've been a good boy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 4, 2023, 01:36:28 pm »

Go into any newsagents and the entire front counter is just full of disposable vapes. Tried one the other day as my younger cousin was puffing away on one, absolutely toxic. God knows what the effects are going to be in 10+ years time of these little kits that are made to look like sweets.

ToneLa · « **Reply #23 on:** May 4, 2023, 02:47:41 pm »

Legalize weed ban vapes

Or legalize weed vapes

I think Mary Jane is probably a damn sight safer than all the weird toxins and shit you get in a vape

This being Britain though the most harmful thing will happen. The opposite of this.

Charlie Adams fried egg · « **Reply #24 on:** May 4, 2023, 02:50:28 pm »

Quote from: I've been a good boy on May 4, 2023, 01:36:28 pm

Go into any newsagents and the entire front counter is just full of disposable vapes. Tried one the other day as my younger cousin was puffing away on one, absolutely toxic. God knows what the effects are going to be in 10+ years time of these little kits that are made to look like sweets.

There's always a cycle with stuff like this.

New product comes in, competitors attracted to the market, scares over health/profiteering (depending on industry), attracts interest of Govt, then regulation comes in.

Then the less ethical of the competitors looks for the next booming yet to be regulated market.

I can't believe something that gets inhaled isn't subject to rigorous health checks before they are allowed to be sold to the public.

west_london_red · « **Reply #25 on:** May 4, 2023, 10:58:00 pm »

As someone who uses a vape, I love it, much better and cheaper than smoking. But they need to do something about all these kids who have started vaping, it should be a tool for people to stop smoking and nothing else and start clamping down on the shops that are selling them to kids, and possibly ban the disposable vapes as not only are they more popular with the kids but they also generate an awful lot of waste.

BarryCrocker · « **Reply #26 on:** May 4, 2023, 11:33:01 pm »

Quote from: I've been a good boy on May 4, 2023, 01:36:28 pm

Go into any newsagents and the entire front counter is just full of disposable vapes. Tried one the other day as my younger cousin was puffing away on one, absolutely toxic. God knows what the effects are going to be in 10+ years time of these little kits that are made to look like sweets.

Anything that changes the climate in your lungs has the potential to do damage. Doesn't matter if it's pollen, pollution or strawberry-watermelon freeze, they all have an impact impact. Breathing in vapor is moisture and you know what loves moisture to create? Bacteria, viruses and fungi. And you know what those things in your lungs develops? Pneumonia.

Filler. · « **Reply #27 on:** May 10, 2023, 12:03:13 am »

Quote from: west_london_red on May 4, 2023, 10:58:00 pm

As someone who uses a vape, I love it, much better and cheaper than smoking. But they need to do something about all these kids who have started vaping, it should be a tool for people to stop smoking and nothing else and start clamping down on the shops that are selling them to kids, and possibly ban the disposable vapes as not only are they more popular with the kids but they also generate an awful lot of waste.

You're not using it for a tool to give up smoking tho are you? You love it. I've told my eldest son to smoke proper cigarettes before smoking a vape. Vapes are for those looking to suck mother's teet. At least you've got a pretense with smoking cigarettes.

edit: I was a smoker of about 30 years plus vaped for 3 years.

Filler. · « **Reply #28 on:** May 10, 2023, 12:16:41 am »

I finally gave up smoking because for an hour - I lived the dream.

AndyInVA · « **Reply #29 on:** May 10, 2023, 12:25:54 am »

There have been loads of long term studies on smoking and proven to be terrible for humans.

Still sold everywhere though.

Vaping is just another one of societies ills just like booze. Marijuana and loads of other fun drugs should be legalized as well. Booze and legalized gambling do so much damage to people and the people around them, I could never justify banning vaping when things far far worse IMO are totally legal.