Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[Dr Stu-Pid]

He can if he blows again which he did before the ball crossed the line. Play is stopped then and so technically the goal is not disallowed. It just never happened.

Has anyone actually released any footage that shows that the second whistle was definitely before the ball crossed the line?  I replayed it at the time when they had the side on angle and it seemed to me that the ball was actually just over the line when you heard the whistle, but that was just based on me using the pause button, so was assuming that VAR must have had access to different footage or special audio that showed it was definitely before the ball crossed the line.  No one at Sky or BT seemed to question it which surprised me.

[Dull Tools]

He can if he blows again which he did before the ball crossed the line. Play is stopped then and so technically the goal is not disallowed. It just never happened.

Weird that there wasn't all this controversy when Dunk did the same against us.

[ChrisLFCKOP]

Has anyone actually released any footage that shows that the second whistle was definitely before the ball crossed the line?  I replayed it at the time when they had the side on angle and it seemed to me that the ball was actually just over the line when you heard the whistle, but that was just based on me using the pause button, so was assuming that VAR must have had access to different footage or special audio that showed it was definitely before the ball crossed the line.  No one at Sky or BT seemed to question it which surprised me.

I have seen it on the BBC, he quite clearly blows the whistle for a second time before the ball crosses the line.

[ChrisLFCKOP]

Weird that there wasn't all this controversy when Dunk did the same against us.

Because its not the same incident, our situation comes down to sportsmanship.  Its unsupporting to take that free kick early when the goal keeper has just come on.

[rob1966]

I have seen it on the BBC, he quite clearly blows the whistle for a second time before the ball crosses the line.

Yep, I've watched it on You Tube slowed down to 0.25 and its about 4 ft before the line when he blows.

[Dr Stu-Pid]

Yep, I've watched it on You Tube slowed down to 0.25 and its about 4 ft before the line when he blows.

Thanks, assumed that must have been the case but hadn't actually seen it anywhere.

[stoa]

I've read in a couple of posts (and that Dale Johnson fella says as well) that players can "ask" the ref to take a quick freekick, but I've not found anything in the rules that says that the ref has to restart the game or allow players to restart the game. The only thing in there is that: "If the referee wants the player(s) to wait for the whistle before restarting play (e.g. when ensuring that defending players are 9.15m (10 yd) from the ball at a free kick) the referee must clearly inform the attacking player(s) to wait for the whistle." Is that some PL-specific rule or recommendation?

[rob1966]

Thanks, assumed that must have been the case but hadn't actually seen it anywhere.

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[ChrisLFCKOP]

https://spiritofshankly.com/fsa-discussion-with-pgmol/

So everythings fine but it will take 5 years to get it right. 

[farawayred]

https://spiritofshankly.com/fsa-discussion-with-pgmol/

So everythings fine but it will take 5 years to get it right. 

Well, it took 12 years for Golden Goal and 3 for Silver Goal, didn't it?...

I was a staunch VAR supporter EXCEPT for offsides, and that's where it found its most widespread application. Now I'm beginning to become more convinced that VAR will have the same fate as those brilliant FIFA/UEFA ideas above.

[TALBERT]

VAR fail in the Spanish Cup game

Barcelona vs Sevilla

Ball clearly hits Barca players hand in the box - in an unnatural position

Ref talks to VAR but doesn't look at the screen...

Sevilla pissed - Manager red card, players yellows, subs reds

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

https://spiritofshankly.com/fsa-discussion-with-pgmol/

So everythings fine but it will take 5 years to get it right. 

Basically said referees don’t need to talk about decisions because Dermot Gallagher is on Sky.

Just bats everything else aside on the premise that some people are happy. Like with their decisions, just hiding behind subjectivity.

[Hazell]

https://spiritofshankly.com/fsa-discussion-with-pgmol/

So everythings fine but it will take 5 years to get it right. 

What a load of horseshit (Riley, not SoS).

[Hazell]

Basically said referees don’t need to talk about decisions because Dermot Gallagher is on Sky.

Just bats everything else aside on the premise that some people are happy. Like with their decisions, just hiding behind subjectivity.

Yep, stupid comment about Dermot Gallagher having a program on Sky so it's all ok.

I wonder who the 'many people they had spoken to' who were happy with ‘offside being offside’ even if by 1mm are? My guess is either themselves or worse, it's 'many people' in the same context as when Donald Trump uses it.

'A 1-pixel margin on the best available camera angles (for offsides) but these aren’t visible on a TV screen meaning thicker, less accurate lines are shown to the viewers is such nonsense as well. If you trust them them to be accurate (I don't), it's still crap because it still excludes the fans and if football excludes the fans, what's the point of it?

[ChrisLFCKOP]

Basically said referees don’t need to talk about decisions because Dermot Gallagher is on Sky.

Just bats everything else aside on the premise that some people are happy. Like with their decisions, just hiding behind subjectivity.

But if you don't have sky and cannot view the programme from a former ref who has nothing to do with the current process.

Also do they just ask rival fans if they are happy with the decisions to get this everyones happy with it?

[BarryCrocker]

VAR fail in the Spanish Cup game

Barcelona vs Sevilla

Ball clearly hits Barca players hand in the box - in an unnatural position

Ref talks to VAR but doesn't look at the screen...

Sevilla pissed - Manager red card, players yellows, subs reds

According to some on here that can only ever happen to us as part of conspiracy against us winning the league again.

[Ghost Town]

According to some on here that can only ever happen to us as part of conspiracy against us winning the league again.

I doubt that a single person has ever said what you have just claimed, and that's despite acknowledging that there's truckloads of shite spoken here...but not that.

[KillieRed]

Those stats stink to high heaven though. I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy, just something very wrong where one team gets the worst outcomes despite being one of the better teams.

[Jshooters]

Those stats stink to high heaven though. I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy, just something very wrong where one team gets the worst outcomes despite being one of the better teams.

Yeah, it would be intertesting if the likes of Paul Tomkins picked it up or someone with a bigger media presence

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

for once

[Fromola]

for once

You don't really want them to be chalked off but we've had loads of similar goals taken off us.

[Lusty]

Important to be consistent and point out that VAR is still bullshit even when it goes our way.

No way that was offside.

[d.arn]

Ridiculous decision. These millimeter decisions from some random point on the arm are shite. Glad it went our way, for once. But I’d be furious if that happened to us.

[farawayred]

As the edge of the sleeve is considered a playable part, so must be the edge of the fart. You can't score with either, but hey-ho. Ridiculous application of VAR, but at least it's not 100% against us anymore.

[Gods_Left_Boot]

Important to be consistent and point out that VAR is still bullshit even when it goes our way.

No way that was offside.

Exactly, absolutely ludicrous decision.

[Knight]

Wait, what’s the handball rule now?

[CraigDS]

So a hand by your shoulder is now considered a natural position?

[d.arn]

Wait, what’s the handball rule now?

I’m not sure anyone knows anymore. Before xmas, that’s a penalty.

[Dull Tools]

I’m not sure anyone knows anymore. Before xmas, that’s a penalty.

2 weeks ago at Southampton it was.

[Welshred]

Just the two penalties we should have had today yet all people are going to remember is the Chelsea goal being disallowed for a tight offside

[Dull Tools]

Just the two penalties we should have had today yet all people are going to remember is the Chelsea goal being disallowed for a tight offside

it's not a penalty according to Carragher. He just ran into the back of him.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

it's not a penalty according to Carragher. He just ran into the back of him.

The irony.

[Guz-kop]

I don't really know what the handball rule is anymore but a few people saying it's changed. Wild that a change can lead to someone being offside because of the position of their hand but when it hits a defender with his arm up it's not a penalty

[Welshred]

Can we have a look at when Kovacic belted the ball into Mane's head after the referee had blown up and fuck all was done about it?

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Can we have a look at when Kovacic belted the ball into Mane's head after the referee had blown up and fuck all was done about it?

We have not had one player protected all year - it is so blatant.

[BoRed]

The handball decision was even more laughable if you consider what Fulham's goal was disallowed for earlier tonight.

[wah00ey]

I don't really know what the handball rule is anymore but a few people saying it's changed. Wild that a change can lead to someone being offside because of the position of their hand but when it hits a defender with his arm up it's not a penalty

How can they ever consider changing rules midway through seasons?  It has to be a LEVEL and STABLE playing field from a rules and refereeing perspective for the whole season.  But they just do what they like, when they like.  It's insane.  It really is.

[Clayton Bigsby]

Pre VAR I would think that the defender could feel hard done by. Post VAR I still think that but by the rules, as I knew them, it is a penalty 1000%. I think it is possibly the worst non penalty for us this season

[Elzar]

Can you run at a player with your arms out wide now then? As long as you are close when it hits your hand then it shouldn't be given right?

[Phil M]

Kante has his hands up in a position like he's being held up at gunpoint and he interferes with play by stopping a cross yet they deem that as not an offence, I just don't get it.

Incidents like that are why the conspiracy theories about biased judgement surface. I suppose on that note their goal is disallowed for the finest of margins so we weren't stitched up there but overall it was a shitshow.