Topic: Sadio Mané

[duvva 💅]

I haven't said a word YET..

It’s not the Hendo thread though, but I suspect you’ve been struggling for something in that space for a while now 😉

[royhendo]

What a side.

[clinical]

He was right to be annoyed. But he's been guilty of it in the past. Both Salah and Mane can be greedy sometimes. Some will tell you that's why they score a lot. I'd say they'd both score even more if they weren't as greedy.

I'm sure it's got to point where Klopp needs to have a little word with both. And I'm sure he has.

[Doc Red]

Here we are with problems at the top of the league.

More money points more problems.

Such a comfortable game against a team that thrives in making these sorts of games uncomfortable.
We've certainly matured as a team and are playing with the swagger and confidence of a team that expects to lift trophies come trophy lifting time.

[slaphead]

What a side.

Absolute quality. When we are so good the only negative people have to throw around is that one of our players shows emotion then you know you're dong alright.
After we went 2-0 up it was so comfortable to watch. Great seeing our lads do to Burnley what they pride themselves on, winning the physical battles.

[PoetryInMotion]

At least he passed it to Keita instead of shooting himself on that one, presumably to try give his mate his first Liverpool goal. Mo didn’t pick out either, especially Firmino when he had 0 chance of scoring after cutting back onto his right.

I'm sure things have been sorted in the dressing room, these days we're lucky to be having comfortable games against Burnley and then feel comfortable about how things like these will be handled, we have the best man in charge.

But on the specific point of passing to the other, it is only getting overblown because now both are in the race for Golden Boot. Nobody criticized Salah for being like this in his first season though because of his extraordinary goal return, and people forget that Salah has more assists than Mane. I know Mane does unselfish work with all his defensive contribution and carrying the ball from deep, but he has also been guilty of blazing shots over in the past when simple squaring of the ball would've been certain goals. It was a bit of an overreaction from him today and I hope he realizes that. 

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Not arsed about his reaction. He's not a robot.

If anything, reactions like that will stop Salah doing similar in the future, which can only be of a benefit to us. I can't remember to many instances of Mane being greedy after the Everton game spoken about above.

[PoetryInMotion]

I really don't care about who was first not to pass to whom, in which season.

All I know is that Salah should have made obvious passes to Mane and Firmino today. He didn't.

This kind of decision-making is not acceptable. Not at this level. I don't care what the result is. Or how many Twitter followers Salah has. He is paid to play for the team. Not himself. This is not men's singles tennis.

Mane and Klopp went berserk with Salah. That much was obvious to everyone. But it would have been better if Mane had saved it for the dressing room.

Klopp (and Hendo) need to sort this sh%t out. Behind the scenes.

Not acceptable? Having a bit of a laugh with an inside joke there maybe? What are you going to do, sack Salah? Players make wrong decisions in every game. That's how chances are created and conceded, goals are scored and conceded.

Klopp went berserk with Salah? I'd like to know what you're on now. Anything strong?

[robgomm]

Can understand why he was so mad but, you know, get over it. Whinging about not getting a pass is schoolyard stuff, his emotions just got the better of him. Let the coach address that if it needs addressing. Salah is greedy as he's a striker, Mane's reaction is not just because he was in a better position but because he's greedy too. They all want goals, Mane this year I think wants to be our top scorer. Long may that continue as it will take him up one more level.

[The G in Gerrard]

What a side.

Absolutely. We are frighteningly good. Shame this non story is making the headlines.

[robgomm]

If Salah thinks he can score, he'll shoot. But ultimately he needs to make correct decisions. If Messi slips past a couple of players and scores, nobody thinks "he should've passed". But Messi is just as likely to pass if he thinks that is the better call. Salah just needs to learn when to make the call to go for it and when to make the call to pass.

[PoetryInMotion]

Not arsed about his reaction. He's not a robot.

If anything, reactions like that will stop Salah doing similar in the future, which can only be of a benefit to us. I can't remember to many instances of Mane being greedy after the Everton game spoken about above.

The thing is, it's okay with being greedy until one or the other takes it as more than an on field decision.

I can vaguely remember a period, not just one Everton game, but a whole set of games when people were thinking that Mane was not passing to Salah (last season or the season before somewhere) and a two to three games where he blazed chances over the top or to the sides.

He is not a robot, agreed, but in the crucial Napoli game where Salah scored and Alisson made the final save which took us to the knock-outs, someone (I think it was Salah) squared it to Mane for a tap-in/sitter and he blazed it over, I didn't see anyone having a hissy fit even though it put us at risk in a must win game where the goalkeeper had to make a blinder in the last minute for us to even get through and eventually win our first trophy under Klopp.

As long as players know they all miss chances and miss passes, everything is fine. We were 3-0 at Burnley anyway.

[TepidT2O]

I remember two of our layers having a fight in the pitch...

That was a problem... this isn’t

[tornado]

Shit happens..remember game against Everton the one with the Lovren non penalty which ended 1-1, we actually lost 2 points that day bcoz Mane did the same thing

[kennedy81]

What we saw today, probably happens more than we realise, today we just got to see it on camera. I expect these things get sorted out behind closed doors most of the time, and they just get on with it.
I wouldn't worry too much, as we have the best manager in the world for handling such things. Plus I do think they have a good relationship off the pitch, and probably get along quite well.

Bobby's reaction in the tunnel was funny, but it was quite telling too. He's obviously seen this before and knows it'll all be sound once Sadio cools down.
The media will be doing their best to make a big deal out of it, but best to just ignore it and let Klopp and the lads get on with their business.

[groove]

If you're not picking out a player in a position where he has a very high probability of scoring and taking on a low probability shot yourself, then you are costing your team the probability of scoring and therefore making the probability of a win lower. Whether it's Mane, Salah, whoever. Where the margins between us and City are so slim, we just can't afford errors like that. Errors through honest mistakes or bad luck are one thing. Errors from ego are another.

[mercurial]

It will be fine. Pretty sure Klopp will remove all golfing equipments around.

[duvva 💅]

If you're not picking out a player in a position where he has a very high probability of scoring and taking on a low probability shot yourself, then you are costing your team the probability of scoring and therefore making the probability of a win lower. Whether it's Mane, Salah, whoever. Where the margins between us and City are so slim, we just can't afford errors like that. Errors through honest mistakes or bad luck are one thing. Errors from ego are another.

Yep you’re right. It’s cost us today

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Was he not shouting at our conditioning guru Andreas Kornmayer? Maybe he was just pissed that he was subbed and Kornmayer advises the management team which players could do with being saved in games that are won using stats.

[killer-heels]

I miss the Suarez-Sturridge arguments. I loved those and maybe we will see the rebirth of that on field aggro.

[meady1981]

Sell them both.

[Crimson]

I miss the Suarez-Sturridge arguments. I loved those and maybe we will see the rebirth of that on field aggro.

Much prefer the Bellamy vs. Riise

[groove]

Yep you’re right. It’s cost us today

I mean, when you're failing at the first mention of probability it's unlikely to be worth trying to explain his further.

[duvva 💅]

I mean, when you're failing at the first mention of probability it's unlikely to be worth trying to explain his further.

You seem determined to make a mountain out of a molehill. We’re top of the league just enjoy it instead of trying to find fault. It’s really not an issue now any more so than it’s been in the last few years. The only thing that’s changed is we’ve seen a reaction from Sadio which has probably happened before but behind the scenes.

When they start costing us points then you’ll have a point.

[groove]

We shouldn't make the adjustment after it costs us a point. Just make it now, so it never costs us a point. I hope it's drilled into all players that it's unacceptable.

If you look at it in xG terms then both incidents summed probably cost us over a goal. I don't know if that's a mountain in this one game, but it's not a molehill. Like I said, the margins are tight. These thing DO matter*.

*Y'know, in the context of this being a silly game of football and that.

[Kenny's Jacket]

When they start costing us points then you’ll have a point.

Bollocks.

Prevention is better than cure

[jillcwhomever]

Bollocks.

Prevention is better than cure

Let's employ machines rather than footballers then. You can't take the emotion out of the players they're human, mistakes will be made regardless. These forwards are competitive animals so things like this will always happen from time to time. But why this has to dominate over the actual game is something I will never understand.

[JackWard33]

We shouldn't make the adjustment after it costs us a point. Just make it now, so it never costs us a point. I hope it's drilled into all players that it's unacceptable.

If you look at it in xG terms then both incidents summed probably cost us over a goal. I don't know if that's a mountain in this one game, but it's not a molehill. Like I said, the margins are tight. These thing DO matter*.

*Y'know, in the context of this being a silly game of football and that.

What’s unacceptable ? What on earth are you talking about?
Taking the wrong decision with the ball is now unacceptable???
And this will be determined and enforced how?

This has to be the worst, most overblown, miscast discussion ever on RAWK

[rushyman]

What’s unacceptable ? What on earth are you talking about?
Taking the wrong decision with the ball is now unacceptable???
And this will be determined and enforced how?

This has to be the worst, most overblown, miscast discussion ever on RAWK

Haha that reply is overblown if anything

Whoever you’re quoting clearly means anyone trying to get themself a goal instead of playing in someone who’s basically going to score

Mané, salah, Firmino whoever. It IS unacceptable to chose yourself over the team

[duvva 💅]

We shouldn't make the adjustment after it costs us a point. Just make it now, so it never costs us a point. I hope it's drilled into all players that it's unacceptable.

If you look at it in xG terms then both incidents summed probably cost us over a goal. I don't know if that's a mountain in this one game, but it's not a molehill. Like I said, the margins are tight. These thing DO matter*.

*Y'know, in the context of this being a silly game of football and that.

Do you really think these things aren’t spoken about? Doesn’t mean that during the game either of them will make the right choice every time. Most of time it won’t cost us, occasionally it might. Today it didn’t, not even close. We’re top of the league we’ve won every game fairly easily so far, so there isn’t much to find fault with.

They are forwards they both love scoring goals, show me a forward who isn’t selfish at times when they shouldn’t be. All the best ones are, it’s why they’re the best, doesn’t mean they get it right every time.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Let's employ machines rather than footballers then. You can't take the emotion out of the players they're human, mistakes will be made regardless. These forwards are competitive animals so things like this will always happen from time to time. But why this has to dominate over the actual game is something I will never understand.

Im fine with players making honest mistakes.  A world class footballer not choosing not to pass to players in a better position is completely different.

Anyway the point is that I disagree with Duvva thats its not an issue until it costs us points.  Thats just burying your head in the sand

[Mozology]

They both know that one of them will have to make way for Mbappe next season so they're subconsciously making up this fight this season.

[duvva 💅]

Haha that reply is overblown if anything

Whoever you’re quoting clearly means anyone trying to get themself a goal instead of playing in someone who’s basically going to score

Mané, salah, Firmino whoever. It IS unacceptable to chose yourself over the team

They’re not choosing them self over the team. They’re backing themselves to score and most of the time they’re right to because they score a lot and one of the reasons they score a lot is because they back themselves.

They will get it wrong from time to time but is it really worth worrying about when we’re winning matches easily and one of the reasons we are is we have 3 forwards banging in goals.

[Jon2lfc]

Much prefer the Bellamy vs. Riise

I preferred Carra v. Arbeloa

[JackWard33]

Haha that reply is overblown if anything

Whoever you’re quoting clearly means anyone trying to get themself a goal instead of playing in someone who’s basically going to score

Mané, salah, Firmino whoever. It IS unacceptable to chose yourself over the team

Haha this is genuinely hilarious
So how will our coaching staff determine if this has happened, if a player has made an “unacceptably” selfish decision with the ball - walk me through it..

We’ve scored countless goals where the player who shot had a team mate he could pass to ... is it unacceptable or acceptable that he chose to shoot if it goes in?

[SteveZissou]

Update:

Sadio Mane is right here. He is okay. He is sleeping now. Angel. Bless him. He had a rough day. Even though he scored. He really enjoyed that. He is such a good boy.

Mohamed is in his room. He was a naughty boy today but we all know he is not that. It was so funny how he didn't pass. Did you see that look on his face when Sadio walked passed him? Look at him now. They are always so good when they are sleeping.

So many times they didn't pass to each other last season, but you would never remember that. They grow so fast.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Some of you have never played football , or new to the game entirely. There is no other explanation for some of these baffling comments.

[groove]

What’s unacceptable ? What on earth are you talking about?
Taking the wrong decision with the ball is now unacceptable???
And this will be determined and enforced how?

This has to be the worst, most overblown, miscast discussion ever on RAWK

Making wrong decisions as an honest mistakes we can talk about but making the wrong decision in a costly act of selfishness is unacceptable, yes. I mean we're getting down the the whole concept of team sports here and the goals of the team outweighing the individual's.

I'm not sure what is difficult for you here. You either seem to think that Salah's non-pass was just an honest lack of judgement or that Salah should be entitled to do whatever he wants if it benefits him over Liverpool?

[duvva 💅]

Im fine with players making honest mistakes.  A world class footballer not choosing not to pass to players in a better position is completely different.

Anyway the point is that I disagree with Duvva thats its not an issue until it costs us points.  Thats just burying your head in the sand

Ok I got that wrong. It’s not an issue full stop. It’s just forwards being forwards. Scoring lots of goals and occasionally making the wrong choice because they’re human and most of the time the decisions they take work out.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Exhibit A ^